One Piece: Sanji's "Lightning" Downgrade

[KingTempest]

Sanji's Ifrit Jambe isn't electricity.
Its only thing hinting to it being electricity is that it has bolts moving from it. It also has flames moving from it as well. Shit isn't lightning.

Sanji calls it flames.

It doesn't fit a single one of our requirements

Lightning Feats

Many fictional characters make use of attacks or equipment that produces lightning or electricity. As such it useful to know how to quantify lightning feats. Most electricity in fiction is not real lightning. Often it is supernatural in nature, and is possibly not even electricity. Therefore...

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• Doesn't making Queen's muscles contract
• Doesn't have an (electro)magnetic field
• Shown to actually move with a speed far superior to lightning
• Doesn't flow through conducting materials
• Sanji has never been shown to be able to manipulate real electricity or electromagnetism in general
• Doesn't generate ozone or cause electrolysis

We see the effects of lightning working on Sanji and working through Queen, flowing through Queen's metallic neck. We see the effects of lightning working on Beast Pirates. Not the same as Sanji's "lightning".

Another issue is that we never get the electricity SFX like with other lightnings. Ever.

Shit isn't lightning. It's purely aesthetic.

Remove this shit from his profile.

Electricity Manipulation (With Ifrit Jambe alongside flames his legs are coated in electrcity which lingers on his targets after striking them)

And this, yeah nah, "which lingers on his targets after striking them" His regular flames linger on his target after striking them. Plus it did that only once on Queen.

Then this right here.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-heat-resistance-scaling.138572/

Cut that out please. Sanji's heat doesn't get to that point, especially when nothing is confirmed.

It's just blue flames with an aesthetic effect unless we get a statement that it's lightning or unless we get feats of correlating to our lightning standards, or else it's just "fictional lightning" like how shit is fictional light.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Yes.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Fully agreed.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

100% agree

Bolts aren’t inherently lightning

 

[LordTracer]

Agreed.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Agree

 

[Magmag]

Common kt w, kt is the shit

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with everything other than this:

Then this right here.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-heat-resistance-scaling.138572/
Cut that out please. Sanji's heat doesn't get to that point, especially when nothing is confirmed.

It's just blue flames with an aesthetic effect unless we get a statement that it's lightning or unless we get feats of correlating to our lightning standards, or else it's just "fictional lightning" like how shit is fictional light.

Sanji has stated that his flames surpass the heat of any normal flame could (chapter 1023). In chapter 1034, Sanji said that his Ifrit flames are even hotter than before, meaning that they are >> flames that are >> normal fire.

The article referenced in that CRT states that when flames are hot enough, this occurs. Sanji's flames share the aesthetics, and the logic for this to remain.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I agree with everything other than this:

Sanji has stated that his flames surpass the heat of any normal flame could (chapter 1023). In chapter 1034, Sanji said that his Ifrit flames are even hotter than before, meaning that they are >> flames that are >> normal fire.

The article referenced in that CRT states that when flames are hot enough, this occurs. Sanji's flames share the aesthetics, and the logic for this to remain.

This is hyperbole

“Passion burns hotter than any normal flame could”

I mean do we actually know if Sanji knows about ionizing air based heat and by normal flame, he could just mean like basic regular fire, this level of heat is entirely unsupported

 

[Kachon123]

This is hyperbole

“Passion burns hotter than any normal flame could”

How is this a hyperbole? Sanji even goes to say that he's are white hot.

I mean do we actually know if Sanji knows about ionizing air based heat and by normal flame, he could just mean like basic regular fire, this level of heat is entirely unsupported

Why would he need to know about Ionizing air for this to remain accepted?

 

[KingTempest]

I agree with everything other than this:

Sanji has stated that his flames surpass the heat of any normal flame could (chapter 1023). In chapter 1034, Sanji said that his Ifrit flames are even hotter than before, meaning that they are >> flames that are >> normal fire.

The hottest flames that has ever burned was 4990º Celsius. That's nothing.

And that says his passion, which is why he doesn't get burned by his flames. Oda said the same thing about why he doesn't get hurt by his flames.

The article referenced in that CRT states that when flames are hot enough, this occurs. Sanji's flames share the aesthetics, and the logic for this to remain.

That page does not say the word fire, flame, or anything correlating to fire at all. All it says is heat.

 

[Eseseso]

Kachon's having a heart attack, stroke, and aneurysm all at the same time right now.

 

[Kachon123]

Kachon's having a heart attack, stroke, and aneurysm all at the same time right now.

What makes you think that?

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, I agree with the OP

 

[Eseseso]

What makes you think that?

Because Sanji's insane Ifrit heat is gonna likely get downgraded, which Btw is gonna likely cost him in a few vs debates...

 

[Kachon123]

Because Sanji's insane Ifrit heat is gonna likely get downgraded, which Btw is gonna likely cost him in a few vs debates...

Meh, it doesn't really matter much to me. I don't really main OP in this wiki.

 

[KingTempest]

3 staff members agreed. Removing and closing