About Regeneration due to being crushed flat

[SamanPatou]

I've just returned from holidays and was about to reply.

Homer's feat is weird, we hear his skull making noises, but I'm unsure if it qualifies as regeneration.

Bayo's is definitely toon force.


Since everyone agrees, and all the mentioned characters qualify for toon force and elasticity, I guess I can go on with the changes? I will add some links as well.

 

[Keeweed]

I’ve wanted to make a thread like this for a while now, so as much as it doesn’t matter, I agree with this downgrade.

 

[SamanPatou]

Since everyone, including several staff members, agreed, I'm applying the accepted changes.

Also, how should we treat this?

iirc one of Homer's regen feats was from this scene.

 

[Migue79]

Mega Man: He doesn't even get flattened, it's generic damage

The feat that supported it came from somewhere else and not MM7 (MM2:TPF I believe). Just wanted to correct you.

With that said, I agree with this revision.

NOTE: Damn. Chaos Jester beat me to it already.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think the Homer's scene was definitely intended for comedy's sake, cracking included, considering he immediately takes his shape back again like he was a balloon I'd personally consider it toon force but I can understand disagreeing on this

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

But in a lot of instances like this, the character becomes so light the wind carries it. So they must’ve lost some body weighr

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Sonic's bones are so small that I'm surprised it was even considered Regeneration tbh.

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

So is it going to be a very specific type of toon force? For characters with no other toon force feats I mean.

But in a lot of instances like this, the character becomes so light the wind carries it. So they must’ve lost some body weighr

That's air resistance.

 

[SamanPatou]

It's still toon force tbh, a body wouldn't become like that anyway even if it worked in a realistic way.

 

[SamanPatou]

So is it going to be a very specific type of toon force? For characters with no other toon force feats I mean.

Yes, unless there's actual proof that their body was actually crushed and destroyed as it would happen irl.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I found this video about Bayo's feat.

Considering the contents of this guy's channel it's probably a fetish thing for him but hey that's all I got

Hot

I know is comedic but I can hear blood being splattered when she gets hit

 

[SamanPatou]

I aslo heard it, but the way she floats in the air and just pops back to normal after trembling a little, makes it more cartoonish than else, imho.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Also I thin I can see blood in the metal thingy in the final hit but the camera angle is wacky

 

[SamanPatou]

There is, but that's the generic blood splashing effect that occurs whenever you take damage from enemies and hazards, so I'm note sure it should count. Bayo also isn't the only one who takes damage from being flattened, it is often a damaging and painful thing, but still related to toon force.

 

[SamanPatou]

All the accepted changes to the mentioned characters have been applied, Homer's feat is the only one left (at least the one that was brought up, ther emight be more), I'd like more opinions before changing him too.

I think the Homer's scene was definitely intended for comedy's sake, cracking included, considering he immediately takes his shape back again like he was a balloon I'd personally consider it toon force but I can understand disagreeing on this

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

But a question. Even if it’s toon force, won’t it still act like regeneration? Or what?

 

[SamanPatou]

It has been decided to count it as a mixture of toon force and elasticity (which is what I put on profiles), as these characters recover their shape like a rubber doll would make.

 

[Bobsican]

Also, perhaps it should be looked around if it's an outlier on certain cases? For example, KH Donald is turned flat from a door slapping him, but something like this doesn't happen in the series again, in fact, in Re:Coded there's a scene where he and Goofy were being crushed and Pete points out that this already risked their lives, unless now I can push for this for Donald now even if the feats go against it and it's clearly a one-time gag.

For instance, I'm sure Sonic's isn't consistent given that he can die by getting crushed in Generations.

 

[SamanPatou]

Good point, that's an important factor to consider.

But I believe debating about removing it from a character due to inconsistencies with lore and story should deserve its own thread, thing that I might do.

For now, I just want to resolve this Homer affair, and I think it would be safe to give him Toon Force and Elasticity too, even with that only feat presented, as he doesn't seem to recover from actual damage, imho.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

Also, perhaps it should be looked around if it's an outlier on certain cases? For example, KH Donald is turned flat from a door slapping him, but something like this doesn't happen in the series again, in fact, in Re:Coded there's a scene where he and Goofy were being crushed and Pete points out that this already risked their lives, unless now I can push for this for Donald now even if the feats go against it and it's clearly a one-time gag.

For instance, I'm sure Sonic's isn't consistent given that he can die by getting crushed in Generations.

Not just Generations, getting crushed is a thing in every 2D game

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Not just Generations, getting crushed is a thing in every 2D game

Also can't it just be argued to be Game Mechanics?

And in Cut Scenes Sonic has been crushed flat or fallen from Literal Space and survived.

 

[Armorchompy]

Also can't it just be argued to be Game Mechanics?

Sure, if there's better evidence against it.

And in Cut Scenes Sonic has been crushed flat

Toon force unless otherwise proven

or fallen from Literal Space and survived.

Cool, a 9-B feat for a tier 4 character.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Sure, if there's better evidence against it.

Toon force unless otherwise proven

Cool, a 9-B feat for a tier 4 character.

1. No need to be rude/Sarcastic.

2. I never said it wasn't Toon Force I was arguing against it being an Outlier as it's consistent that Sonic can do these things.

Or did you not check the comment I was replying to?

 

[Armorchompy]

2. I never said it wasn't Toon Force I was arguing against it being an Outlier as it's consistent that Sonic can do these things.

That's just secondary evidence against it, it being toon force is the issue.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Btw, about Roger rabbit, he had another feat of regeneration, specifically, sawing through his head causally. Though this could be passed off as toon force too

 

[Imaginym]

I worry the standards may not be entirely fair; The standards propose that we require evidence of anatomical damage, but some media, for example, Pokemon Anime, Mario, Sonic, etc. can't easily show the characters organs or skeletons being so damaged.
I hardly expect the Pokemon anime to show Meowth's bones popping out of his flesh, or blood spilling out of Mario when his organs are crushed.

Why should we assume no damage happened when the media's content restrictions prevent them being so graphic as our arbitrary standards?
& in some cases, we have evidence such things are damaging; For example, in Mario, Thwomps most certainly can kill him, unless you can think of another way to interpret losing a life, & often, characters are shown to experience pain in circumstances like this.

Just because it's Toon Force, why should the assumption be that their bodies weren't severely damaged & that they fixed themselves via this Toon Force ability?
& why should that be the assumption, especially when we know this kind of stuff can be painful & especially even lethally damaging to them?

 

[SamanPatou]

Because Toon Force exists for a reason, the very definition and trope of it is that cartoonish characters can achieve and survive impossible things because they don't follow the rules of a normal body. Even the most extreme cases of toon force, such as Looney Tunes, are often shown to be damaged and to feel pain from such things, but they still recover as if it was nothing (let alone it being highly inconsisten in videogames).

Regeneration is more about restoring one's own cells, which isn't the case for characters who get such impossible damage in impossible ways and just return to normal like a rubber doll or a balloon would do. Like, being flattened, float away and just pop back to normal is quite different from regenerating blood, flesh and bones through a healing factor.
The same way can be said of gags like Daffy Duck having his beak spun backwards, with him placing it back with his bare hands, or characters losing their eyes etc...

They didn't get physically destroyed, with their skulls being horribly torn apart just to be magically restored, it's simply cartoon logic, as such it falls under Toon Force and relative abilities such as elasticity, body control and such.

 

[Imaginym]

What of the matter that this is how they respond to such stimuli?

For a typical human, being crushed by a huge slab of stone usually results in being turned into chunky salsa, & death.
Even if we don't call it regeneration, & don't assume their organs or skeletons weren't destroyed, I'd assume it's disingenous to say that they weren't damaged. I would assume they were damaged, but recovered from this kind of damage in an unusual way.

 

[SamanPatou]

I never denied they get damaged by these things, as that's actually what happens, they feel pain (and in videogames they die if the life bar is depleted) but then they recover.

It's just another and better way to list this capability. Just because their phisiology allows them to restore a normal shape after being flattened it doesn't mean they can regenerate lost body parts or such.

Maybe I should add in profiles that these characters still feel pain and are damaged?

 

[Imaginym]

I never denied they get damaged by these things, as that's actually what happens, they feel pain (and in videogames they die if the life bar is depleted) but then they recover.

Fair.

It's just another and better way to list this capability. Just because their phisiology allows them to restore a normal shape after being flattened it doesn't mean they can regenerate lost body parts or such.

Maybe I should add in profiles that these characters still feel pain and are damaged?

That could be reasonable in instances where they are shown to feel pain &/or be damaged.

Anyway, what I was thinking is, maybe it should be noted that these characters react to things that would crush them in this... unrealistic way. Could probably place it in a justification somewhere.

Nonetheless, I think that it shouldn't just be listed Elasticity/Toon Force, when in my opinion, it's also that they aren't being damaged (Or being killed.) as severely as something like this supposedly should.

 

[SamanPatou]

The current explanation I gave to all the revised characters is always something like "X can recover from being flattened", which already implies their ability to not die and take back their original shape.
At most I can see adding the fact that they aren't immune to pain and unspecific damage.

 

[Imaginym]

The current explanation I gave to all the revised characters is always something like "X can recover from being flattened", which already implies their ability to not die and take back their original shape.

I appreciate this information. Thank you for this clarification.

At most I can see adding the fact that they aren't immune to pain and unspecific damage.

Sorry for any bother.

 

[SamanPatou]

No problem at all, CRTs alos exist to ask for clarifications and improvements.

 

[Arceus0x]

Wasn't kirby's regen also based on getting shish kebabd by zan partizanne and getting out of it unharmed?

 

[SamanPatou]

Yes, I didn't touch that, I just moved the "flattening" part to "Toon Force and Elasticity".

 

[Arceus0x]

Yes, I didn't touch that, I just moved the "flattening" part to "Toon Force and Elasticity".

Ok thank you

 

[The_Smashor]

I've been thinking this for some time, though never bothered to make a crt.

In full agreement.

 

[SamanPatou]

Since there are no objection about Homer, I'm going to change his powers as well, until someone manages to find more feats, if there are any, and if they are actually valid.

He still maintains a certain level of regeneration for putting his heart back and being fine, although no video is provided.