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So, something like Telepathy or Mind Manipulation?
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Super Revisions Bros (Proposing new Powers, Abilities, and Tiers)
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Yeah, that seems fine.
So, seeing as how everyone is pretty skeptical with 4-A stats (unless it's via Creation), what's say we propose something like "likely/possibly/up to 4-C/High 4-C" physicals via these threads instead? I mean, we could use Kamek's baseline 4-C feat and Yoshi turning Raphael into a star.
Seem more reasonable? Admins don't seem to have a problem with that based upon the history in the threads.
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Where's the translations exactly
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Okay, are we fine with this or not?
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Raven turning into a constellation via a smack ( Kamek inducing them to get bigger via magic) seemed to be contentious before actually; as Armorchompy had mentioned in the prior downgrade thread. You see him flash a lot before spiralling away and it can be labelled as a chain reaction upon death; toonforce; transmutation; just as likely since its mechanics are not logically explained.
Also Luma amp stuff those threads talk about could apply anyway.
Also Luma amp stuff those threads talk about could apply anyway.
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Wasn’t that the entire point of riding Yoshi in Super Mario RPG? Because he had to translate due to being the only Yoshi who could speak Mario’s language?
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Pretty sure Kamek's magic was the ultimate reason for the event. Not arguing further for scaling, just that the spell he casted on Raphael is what makes the most sense for that event to ultimately happen.
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This was a game mechanic only unlocked after completing the story.
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Well, just as long as we can keep the 4-A and 3-C stats via Creation and Power Stars I'm fine with it. To me, I really don't see the point in giving Mario a Power Star without telling how powerful they can be.
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I think with proof that Mario's amped by the Stars in SM64 the Power Star stuff is fine to separate completely from the scaling.
One thing I noticed, though (and I promise this is not something I'm doing on purpose, I just really looked at the page now), is that I'm not actually sure about the 3-C rating for the power stars being valid. The galaxy creation feat is done by Lumas as they're fully fed, it's not something they can exactly do on a whim, I wouldn't assume the amp passively and constantly granted by a Power Star to be comparable to it. (If the energy that goes into creating a power star = the energy that goes into creating a galaxy, then the power passively granted by a power star every second that you're amped by it cannot be = to the power that goes into creating a galaxy/power star).
There's still the Stars' own creation feats, though, so at worst they'd scale to that.
One thing I noticed, though (and I promise this is not something I'm doing on purpose, I just really looked at the page now), is that I'm not actually sure about the 3-C rating for the power stars being valid. The galaxy creation feat is done by Lumas as they're fully fed, it's not something they can exactly do on a whim, I wouldn't assume the amp passively and constantly granted by a Power Star to be comparable to it. (If the energy that goes into creating a power star = the energy that goes into creating a galaxy, then the power passively granted by a power star every second that you're amped by it cannot be = to the power that goes into creating a galaxy/power star).
There's still the Stars' own creation feats, though, so at worst they'd scale to that.
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Yeah, that's fine; just as long as Mario and everyone else can have their Power Star keys back and be placed at a higher tier.
Just asking... If that's the case, then why do the Power Stars have Pocket Reality Manipulation which says "(Bowser was planning to use the Power Stars to create his own world in the castle paintings and walls[6])"? Shouldn't that be removed as well? No offense.
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Probably should, yeah.
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Is there a reason why we don't use game guides, btw? Wouldn't they give more context or evidence to a character's powers and abilities?
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The Prima Guides are notorious for getting basic information wrong and generally making a lot of unsupported claims.
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What's wrong with it?
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She alr said it lol, surely theres non prima guides that can be used
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No, I meant what specifically is wrong in the Prima Guides?
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Inconsistencies like wario and waluigi being brothers, i donr recall any other inconsistencies besides that one. Unless someone wants to specify every single one so then i can take prima being an invalid source more serious
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I remember they get something wrong on like every page in the gen 1 pokemon guides. But really it's not specifically a Prima guides issue, it's just that they're not really looked at by Nintendo (or whoever's publishing them) that closely, it's just giving them some data on the game and the go ahead to write them. There are exceptions of guides that are either written in-house or written with close input from the devs and those I would consider 100% acceptable, but AFAIK Nintendo doesn't really ever do those.
If it helps a verse I'm working on has a MHS+ statement in a Prima Guide that I'm gonna have to ignore, and rate them as like Subsonic+ so I suffer from this too
EDIT: This is a side note but one thing I personally consider guides acceptable to use for is describing gameplay mechanics that are maybe never openly described in the game proper, sort of providing a semi-official statement of how they work alongside, preferably a scan of the actual game
EDIT: This is a side note but one thing I personally consider guides acceptable to use for is describing gameplay mechanics that are maybe never openly described in the game proper, sort of providing a semi-official statement of how they work alongside, preferably a scan of the actual game
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I know some verses do use a Prima guide like equivalent on this site so, maybe it’s case by case.
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or somethingprima has inconsistency with mario galaxy 2 and pokemon in general, probably is a case by case.
TDIL mario odyssey has a prima guide, skeptical on the consistency of that as well.
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What kinds of game guides for Super Mario would be acceptable, then, if not the ones I posted? Can you list some examples?
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No, I in fact cannot, I don't have in-depth knowledge of every single Mario guide ever published.
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Isn't that like a super consistent inconsistency across the franchise, though?
Like, doesn't nearly every source that talks about the two of them claim something different?
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It's a shame we can't even get a "possibly 3-A" rating for the Power Stars, and that was the lowest value I thought could be appropriate. Maybe for another CRT I'll try and find out what exactly created the realms.
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on pg 353 of that guide it supports dev credit/input where needed
"Prima Games would like to thank "..." the rest of the Nintendo team for all their help and support on this project."
bottom line its still not going to be used unless the game actually supports the claims.
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Bowser conquering the universe doesn’t inherently mean universal attack power capability but a point could be made for correlation, yeah.
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When it comes to Mario guides things like the official SPM guide is probably fine, but things like the prims guides should be left off the table.
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Would this even work fully? Mario can still fight King Bob-omb with no stars when he wields one at the very beginning of the game and all.
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It should get due process as a tertiary source if we go by the canon page, we only discredit the source if it actually contradicts the og. Its official in name, even if the author(s) didn't oversee it.
Also we use prima of the SPM one and similar guides of other games on the mario pages currently since like a year back for that reason, as far as I care.
Also statistics reduction section on Mario's page links to a page of the Smg prima guide.
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You know, that's a good thought. Maybe we could keep Mario at 6-C and give him something like a "likely/possibly 3-C", provided nobody has a problem with it.
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There was a whole ass thread where I provided a long long list of "problems with it". No chance.
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Okay, then we could just bring the Power Star key back... I dunno why we couldn't give Mario a "possibly/likely 3-C"...
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The Grand Star scan 404s for me. You should add sources for the intelligence scans. Finally the LS calc I did for throwing Metal Bowser is only for with Power Stars
For the AP stuff though, there is what kirbonic brought up. Personally I think it's fine because King Bob-Omb doesn't actually seem to be hurt by Mario's attacks and more just sorta loses a contest, and if you break the rules it gets mad and starts the fight over.
For the AP stuff though, there is what kirbonic brought up. Personally I think it's fine because King Bob-Omb doesn't actually seem to be hurt by Mario's attacks and more just sorta loses a contest, and if you break the rules it gets mad and starts the fight over.
There is this though
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Fixed. Though I don't suppose any of these two calculations could be used to scale to Mario's lifting strength with a Power Star.
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