About Regeneration due to being crushed flat

[SamanPatou]

This thread is about an issue that bothered me for quite some time.

Basically, several characters on the wiki treat being crushed flat and recover like Mid Regeneration.

The problem is that this should be considered Elasticy, unless their bones and innards are shown to be literally splattered and crushed, and then regrow/regenerate.

Some of the characters that currently come into my mind also possess Toon Force, or aren't stranger to this type of stuff, and their recovery is portrayed in a comedic way, which are further reasons to not consider this actual healing.

This issue affects characters like Mario (and related characters such as Luigi, Peach etc..), Bayonetta, Homer Simpson and most likely more.

Edit: I'm adding more characters affected by this: Several characters from Sonic, several characters from Kirby

 

[Hellbeast]

Wouldn’t this more come under Toon Force?

 

[sanicspood]

i actually agree

 

[Armorchompy]

I definitely agree, either Elasticity or Toon Force

 

[Catzlaflame]

Examples of these profiles?

 

[SamanPatou]

Both Toon Force and Elasticity can work.

Examples of these profiles?

I listed some of them in the OP, Kirby characters are also affected by this.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Sonic.

 

[SamanPatou]

Thanks, I'll update the OP once more of these profiles come up.

Bear in mind that Regeneration would be entirely removed only if this is the only feat, I want to specificy this just to avoid misconceptions.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah, I've found regeneration via recovering from being crushed flat to be a little bit iffy.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I don't want my TR meowth to lose mid regen ;-;

Agreed, pretty much all of those are comedic in nature so there is definitely no organ destruction there

 

[Catzlaflame]

Both Toon Force and Elasticity can work.


I listed some of them in the OP, Kirby characters are also affected by this.

Oh yea I’m blind mb, but yea I agree with this

 

[RisingIons]

I think if you differentiate between being crushed vs being flattened its a self-resolving issue, just have to edit profiles that have regen from it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

If it's done in a cartoonish matter; which i do agree most of these characters are. I agree a combination of elasticy and toon force makes more sense. If we here the sounds of their bones being crushed and regenerate from that it would have been a different story.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah if there's like, blood coming out or any other signs of injury then it should be regeneration. A crushing noise is a bit more ambiguous but I don't necessarily disagree.

 

[Armorchompy]

Hat Kid, Gary from Spongebob, possibly this guy, that's all I could find, by the way, excluding characters who have it only as supporting evidence for stuff like Mid-High. Rayman's profile is a worthy mention since his regen is all over the place.

 

[Armorchompy]

Hold on, I was looking up "crushed flat", not "flattened".

Mega Man, Hazbin Hotel demons (albeit these ones explicitly have regen i think so idk), Jerry Mouse, Pac-Man, Theatrical Shorts, Mickey Mouse, Red from Angry Birds, Crash Bandicoot, Wander from Wander over Yonder, Otis from Barnyard (lmao), Alex from Madagascar, Roger Rabbit, Eris from Billy & Mandy, Bub from Bubble Bobble

and probably other characters from these series

yeah i give up this has gotta be done overtime

 

[Bobsican]

I extremely agree with this.

It's clear that the characters in question weren't actually damaged in a manner to fix with regeneration to begin with, but rather simply recovering in a cartoonish manner, and so it should be indexed accordingly as such, rather than effectively giving another power out of nowhere.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Hazbin Hotel demons

They wouldn't fall under Elasticity. The scene that their Mid comes from involves a demon being crushed—not cartoonishly flattened—by a boulder, leaving his bones shattered.

 

[Oleggator]

I was so close to give Mid regen to Raz.

Agree pretty much.

 

[XitSign]

I absolutely agree with this and the general requirements posted here.

However, as an example of a unique situation, what about a character like Pong Paddle who appears to be inorganic? Should we discuss special requirements for characters with unique physiologies?

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Yeah now that you mention it I think it's a toon force feat if anything. I agree.

 

[SamanPatou]

If it's done in a cartoonish matter; which i do agree most of these characters are. I agree a combination of elasticy and toon force makes more sense. If we here the sounds of their bones being crushed and regenerate from that it would have been a different story.

Yes, as Armor said, if there are reason to consider it actual healing, that it's totally fine.


I will skim through all the mentioned characters and try to evaluate them:

Also, if no links are provided on the profiles or this thread, the feat should just be removed by default.


Mario cast: No links provided, but it surely comes from things like the Thwomps and similar hazards across all games, including Mario Kart. This is definitely Toon Force, so it's not valid.

Bayonetta: I don't remember where this happens in the game, links would be well accepted.

Homer Simpson: No links are provided once again, but I'm fairly sure it's a cartoony feat, we should take a look it, though.

Sonic: Toon Force, broken link idk how to fix it, toon force, toon force, toon force, toon force

Kirby: No links are provided, but it's a rather common trope in the series to be flattened by heavy objects, and no bones or blood are shown whatsoever, it's toon force.

Player (Monster Island): It comes from this, classic cartoony flattening.

Hat Kid: Toon force

Gary the Snail: No links are provided

Rayman: The first link is broken, the other is toon force

Mega Man: He doesn't even get flattened, it's generic damage

Jerry Mouse: In the first link he doesn't really get chopped in half, the second is broken but it's most likely a toon force gag given the series

Pac Man: Toon Force

Mickey Mouse: Toon force

Red (Angry Birds): Toon force

Crash Bandicoot: Toon force because it comes from the racing games, where being flattened is the same as in Mario Kart and Sonic Racing

Wander (WOY): It already mentions it being cartoony

Otis: No links are provided

Alex the Lion: No links are provided but it sounds like a repeteated gag of him being flattened by Gloria the Hippo

Roger Rabbit: No links, but it's definitely toon force given the character

Eris (Billy&Mandy): No links, probably toon force given the show

Bub: Toon force


So far, they all seem to be cartoony feats, maybe a couple like Homer, Gary (mostly because of the shell, I think) and Bayonetta might be saved if we manage to find links, otherwise they shouldn't stay.

 

[SamanPatou]

I absolutely agree with this and the general requirements posted here.

However, as an example of a unique situation, what about a character like Pong Paddle who appears to be inorganic? Should we discuss special requirements for characters with unique physiologies?

Its profile already mentions it being made of rubber or a similar material, regeneration should be moved to elasticity.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Mega Man: He doesn't even get flattened, it's generic damage

The feat on the profile is referencing this Mad Grinder fight. Not the one you linked.

 

[Oleggator]

The feat on the profile is referencing this Mad Grinder fight. Not the one you linked.

Regardless, toon force.

 

[Armorchompy]

The feat on the profile is referencing this Mad Grinder fight. Not the one you linked.

damn that boss theme kinda bangs

this isn't really related to the topic i just wanted to point that out

 

[SamanPatou]

It's still toon force, but thank you for the clarification.

 

[Planck69]

Definitely agree with this.

 

[KLOL506]

Jerry Mouse: In the first link he doesn't really get chopped in half, the second is broken but it's most likely a toon force gag given the series

Pretty sure Jerry Mouse has comparable feats of regenerating from ashes just like Tom does.

 

[SamanPatou]

Those are fine, if characters have other regeneration feats then they and the power will stay.

Jerry's profile doesn't have them as of now, if anyone can find them they'd be gladly accepted.

 

[KLOL506]

Those are fine, if characters have other regeneration feats then they and the power will stay.

Jerry's profile doesn't have them as of now, if anyone can find them they'd be gladly accepted.

Well that's the problem, most of them are spread out everywhere and some are even in risk of being copyright striked so it'll be really, really hard to find them.

 

[SamanPatou]

If someone manages to find them, then they can be added, but we shouldn't leave the current justification, even if it's wrong, just because we don't have replacements.

 

[KieranH10]

Completely agree with this.

 

[KLOL506]

If someone manages to find them, then they can be added, but we shouldn't leave the current justification, even if it's wrong, just because we don't have replacements.

Yeah, for now, just replace the justification with "Has consistently regenerated from being turned into ashes".

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I agree with the OP. This was talked about in the past and many of the cases are just Toon Force.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I agree.

To be honest I was actually thinking about this the other day and how it could just be elasticity or whatever.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Bayonetta: I don't remember where this happens in the game, links would be well accepted.

Scan isn't linked on her profile but I recall Weekly having the scan for it. But he's not here though so thats kind of an issue. I'll try to look for it.

 

[UltraChair]

iirc one of Homer's regen feats was from this scene.

 

[Armorchompy]

I found this video about Bayo's feat.

Considering the contents of this guy's channel it's probably a fetish thing for him but hey that's all I got

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bump?