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I made it known before I had issues with this ability being added but I didnt make a thread specifically for it earlier. Might as well make that thread now. So after an earlier thread, Alien X and Celestialsapiens were given Existence Erasure because of a statement made by Servantis on how Ben could one day "wish everything out of existence". This is also currently being used as part of the justification for 2-B Alien X/Celestialsapiens.
However, The Everlasting and I talked about this earlier and this has several holes to it. But before I get to my own issues, i'll post what Ever thought about this when I showed him the thread.
"Yeah that's way too vague. We don't know if he's specifically referring to Alien X with that statement, just that it's something Ben could do in general with the power of the Omnitrix. Remember there's literally over a million aliens in the Omnitrix, Servantis could've been referring to any of them. Hell, the fact that he says Ben could "perhaps" transform into a Celestialsapien alone debunks him referring to Alien X. From that statement it doesn't seem like Servantis even knew about Alien X in the first place."
Basically, The Everlasting's point here is that while Servantis did make that statement regarding Ben, nothing proves he's specifically talking about Alien X being the one to have that ability. The Omnitrix has over a million aliens residing in it, and without clear indication, Servantis could've been talking about a plethora of aliens besides Alien X. Not only that, Servantis says Ben could perhaps turn into a Celestialsapien. Again, perhaps. That means Servantis is guessing Ben could become a Celestialsapien. Which means Servantis didn't know about Alien X being one of Ben's existing Aliens in the Omnitrix, which has to mean he couldn't have been specifically referring to Alien X about erasing everything in existence.
Now, adding my ow issues about this, im unconvinced that this is even existence erasure in the first place despite what was said. I feel Servtantis was going more off of belief rather than any absolute certainty when stating this. After all, eve IF he was talking specifically about Alien X, he's basing his claim of existence ending off of Ben recreating a single universe easily. This just seems more like Servantis hyping Ben's power up to a hyperbolic flowery degree because of Ben pulling off a feat thats FAR above Servantis's paygrade and above and beyond anything Servantis has ever experienced. If a random person walked up to a 4-A and believed they could destroy the whole universe, you wouldn't seriously argue them to be 3-A would you? No. It's just the perspective of a fodder perceiving a power ridiculously superior to them and overhyping them.
For mine, and Ever's reasonings, Alien X and Celestialsapiens should lose their Existence Erasure if this is the only reason why they have it here.
However, The Everlasting and I talked about this earlier and this has several holes to it. But before I get to my own issues, i'll post what Ever thought about this when I showed him the thread.
"Yeah that's way too vague. We don't know if he's specifically referring to Alien X with that statement, just that it's something Ben could do in general with the power of the Omnitrix. Remember there's literally over a million aliens in the Omnitrix, Servantis could've been referring to any of them. Hell, the fact that he says Ben could "perhaps" transform into a Celestialsapien alone debunks him referring to Alien X. From that statement it doesn't seem like Servantis even knew about Alien X in the first place."
Basically, The Everlasting's point here is that while Servantis did make that statement regarding Ben, nothing proves he's specifically talking about Alien X being the one to have that ability. The Omnitrix has over a million aliens residing in it, and without clear indication, Servantis could've been talking about a plethora of aliens besides Alien X. Not only that, Servantis says Ben could perhaps turn into a Celestialsapien. Again, perhaps. That means Servantis is guessing Ben could become a Celestialsapien. Which means Servantis didn't know about Alien X being one of Ben's existing Aliens in the Omnitrix, which has to mean he couldn't have been specifically referring to Alien X about erasing everything in existence.
Now, adding my ow issues about this, im unconvinced that this is even existence erasure in the first place despite what was said. I feel Servtantis was going more off of belief rather than any absolute certainty when stating this. After all, eve IF he was talking specifically about Alien X, he's basing his claim of existence ending off of Ben recreating a single universe easily. This just seems more like Servantis hyping Ben's power up to a hyperbolic flowery degree because of Ben pulling off a feat thats FAR above Servantis's paygrade and above and beyond anything Servantis has ever experienced. If a random person walked up to a 4-A and believed they could destroy the whole universe, you wouldn't seriously argue them to be 3-A would you? No. It's just the perspective of a fodder perceiving a power ridiculously superior to them and overhyping them.
For mine, and Ever's reasonings, Alien X and Celestialsapiens should lose their Existence Erasure if this is the only reason why they have it here.
