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Just stop, it's leaking here, we're not uploading DBS Universo to 2-C.
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A major update to Dragon Ball timelines
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No, even if they're branching or not, they're still mirror versions of each other, so difference is needed to be stated explicitly.
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- Note: The full DB cosmology scales to 2-B due to countless timelines existing within the cosmology. Trunks cites that each action in a timeline creates a new timeline. He states that there’s a timeline where Goku is alive and a timeline where he is dead listing the endless possibilities. (Approved in this thread.)
Perhaps but this is merely adding gt as a canon timeline
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when?
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Thank you Reiner.
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Omega, I don't want a CRT with more than three pages, so take it easy and I'm not trying to upgrade DBS to 2-C
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There is actually no primary canon source which says GT is an alternate timeline to Super. It's all based on WOG and there is no contradiction because THEY ARE DIFFERENT CONTINUITIES.
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The burden proof is trying to say that U7 and GT universe are the same, when in fact they are not, and there isn't any evidence.
You can be inside the same multiverse, and still have Universes with different cosmological structures that vary between each other.
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Both are alternate canons, yes. But doesn't mean both Universes are a 10/10 copy of each other.
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This will eventually lead to DBS 2-C upgrade, so this thread should be pass with good enough inputs.
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well, what you are suggesting from the scans does not make dbgt into an alternate timeline, but the cannon future of the dragon ball series, which if true would make invalidate the current "toei=>gt" timeline as we treat it now, and just make the gt characters scale to the dragon ball super crew instead of the toei continuity
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U7 and GT can have different cosmological structures even sharing the same multiverse, so I'm iffy about that
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It could
2 staff already agree
no it’d just make them alternate timelines out of the countless
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No man, no GT character is going to scale to the super, alternate line.
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I don't want something that complicated, I just want the timeline of GT to be part of the canon, but without scaling anything to super, the cosmologies are different from each other
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yeah i know that, relax dude, as one of the few dbgt enjoyers, it being cannon brings me utmost joy
specially with the whole "many worlds theory thing" if every possibility becomes another timeline, then there would be a timeline where, for example, there is no sayians, there would be a timeline where the planets are banana shaped, there would be a timeline where there is only 1 universe, there would be a timeline where goku is the supreme being, this is what "all possibilities" becomes real as timelines encompasses, this is the reason we don't scale a universe to another without solid evidence for such, all possibilities means that, more likely than not, they are different in multiple ways
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That's needed to be specifically stated if there is a difference to begin with, having story different btw the mirror universes and having the entire mirror universes be different is another thing. They both will have same cosmological structure due to being canon unless stated otherwise.
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Thats like saying there’s a timeline where Kratos is in the verse there is infinite variations but differences there’s no way there’s a timeline with banana shaped planets
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I mean, it doesn't have to tho. There are some examples in fiction where in the same multiverse, each Universe has different structures.
We can't expect all the fictional series to follow the parallel worlds theory toe to toe.
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no, look close dr slump and dbs are in the same timeline, and if the continuation of dr slump makes dbgt characters appear, then it means that in the future of dbs dbgt would happen since the future of dr slump is the future of dbs since both are in the same universe/timeline
and if there is an officcial placement of it in the timeline alongside dbs, i am not oposed to them being alternate timelines, it is just that this is not what the scans in the op suggests
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Anyway, let this thread pass first, upgrades can be cooked later on
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It doesn’t have to exist in one timeline it could still be from another timeline plus the WoGs state GT is just an alternate timeline within the continuity which makes sense since (2-B cosmology)
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Just saying that DBS established quite clearly that each timeline is the same due to time rings, so assuming GT is different out of nowhere is nonsensical.
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alternate timelines don't scale to one another without solid reasoning
just a silly example, dude, infinite variations means exactly that, infinite possibilities = infinite possibilities of what could be different, which includes cosmology, that was what i was trying to say
basically this:
the only thing that could mean that is akira saying "alternate history" but that is clearly retconed by now since gt is in the official timeline of events and it appears in a "same universe/timeline" sequel story that we know happens in the same universe as dragon ball super
when?
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The verse follows MWI, meaning that each timeline is an alternate version of the other. Why would GT be the only timeline with a 2-C U7 if all the counterparts are much smaller?
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Well i mean infinite variations of just normal db but with slightly different events each time eventually with timelines that are way different than another
“the only thing that could mean that is akira saying "alternate history" but that is clearly retconed by now since gt is in the official timeline of events and it appears in a "same universe/timeline" sequel story that we know happens in the same universe as dragon ball super” I didn’t understand any of that at all
Well technically the cosmologies are the same besides a few statements favoring toeiverse
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which means that they brach since the very beginning of said timeline, so they can vary in structure since all the possibilities for said beginning branch into other, well, possibilities
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This is assuming that the U7 for some reason became bigger outta nowhere in the GT timeline when that's nowhere stated.
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The cosmologies are pretty much the same just some statements favor toeiverse over dbs
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okay let us go slowly then, dr slump is in the same universe/timeline and dbs, correct? and the timeline of events that has dbs in it is listing the cannon events of the dragon ball timeline, correct?
aka how they were created also has numerous possibilities, so it means the numerous other possibilities for structure are also possibilities to branch
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We don't even know if it's "Universe 7" in GT's case.
It can very well be U6, or U11
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Omega, I think you can vary the cosmology of another timeline, like there are 18 Universes, another parallel world is just a void, there is still the void left by Zeno'oh in the other line of the time, according to the trunks theory, Universes with different history suggest different time streams as well as Universes
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Not sure but Ik gt being in dr slump isn’t because it’s originally from that timeline an author avatar was making a GT character as explained here
What type of logic is that?
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I agree.
Technically you can do something involving Gohan Scaling during the Baby Saga if they are proven parallel Timelines.
Technically you can do something involving Gohan Scaling during the Baby Saga if they are proven parallel Timelines.
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W Micah coming in clutch with the dr slump stuff
wdym?
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Keep in mind this is an argument I can see people making and not what I think is completely infallible.
We see what happens to Gohan in DBS / Super Hero as a result of his sparse routes of training.
The Gohans are described the exact same way in potential and statements that they have the exact same potential. Difference is one stopped training ar various points. GT Gohan is described to have never stopped training since the Buu Arc to the point his Base is his Potential Unleashed power and can Stack Super Saiyan, something Super Hero Gohan is not capable of doing.
Base Baby Saga Goku (which is heavily hinted he broke his limits potential wise) is able to casually match Mind Controlled SSJ Gohan.
We see what happens to Gohan in DBS / Super Hero as a result of his sparse routes of training.
The Gohans are described the exact same way in potential and statements that they have the exact same potential. Difference is one stopped training ar various points. GT Gohan is described to have never stopped training since the Buu Arc to the point his Base is his Potential Unleashed power and can Stack Super Saiyan, something Super Hero Gohan is not capable of doing.
Base Baby Saga Goku (which is heavily hinted he broke his limits potential wise) is able to casually match Mind Controlled SSJ Gohan.
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Is insane when you think about it. Mind controled SS1 GT Gohan being way stronger than SS3 Goku and Buu saga Vegito
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@Stefano4444 Can I count on your vote and have things to add here?
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