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A major update to Dragon Ball timelines

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Burden of proof is one the one trying to make the upgrade, there are not even enough time rings within canon super to accomodate all of Trunks and Cells time traveling shenanigans in canon manga , there aren’t countless time rings either, that’s just speculation passed off as fact.

There can be countless timelines, but they sure as hell aren’t branching off one another or interconected in a way to assume equal universal structures
Just stop, it's leaking here, we're not uploading DBS Universo to 2-C.
 
Burden of proof is one the one trying to make the upgrade, there are not even enough time rings within canon super to accomodate all of Trunks and Cells time traveling shenanigans in canon manga , there aren’t countless time rings either, that’s just speculation passed off as fact.

There can be countless timelines, but they sure as hell aren’t branching off one another or interconected in a way to assume equal universal structures
No, even if they're branching or not, they're still mirror versions of each other, so difference is needed to be stated explicitly.
 
Burden of proof is one the one trying to make the upgrade, there are not even enough time rings within canon super to accomodate all of Trunks and Cells time traveling shenanigans in canon manga , there aren’t countless time rings either, that’s just speculation passed off as fact.

There can be countless timelines, but they sure as hell aren’t branching off one another or interconected in a way to assume equal universal structures
are you sure there isn’t enough time rings? You can make your cosmology downgrade crt if you don’t believe it but it’s accepted that there’s countless time rings and there’s been shown to be many boxes of time rings

Perhaps but this is merely adding gt as a canon timeline (and if you wanna get technical the cosmologies are basically the same besides some statements in favor of toei)
 
No, even if they're branching or not, they're still mirror versions of each other, so difference is needed to be stated explicitly.
The burden proof is trying to say that U7 and GT universe are the same, when in fact they are not, and there isn't any evidence.

You can be inside the same multiverse, and still have Universes with different cosmological structures that vary between each other.
 
However, in the years following its completion and even more so since the release of 'Super', there has been debate over whether 'Dragon Ball GT' is canon within the franchise. The short answer is: it depends who you ask. In 2005, for a DVD anime series box set, Akira Toriyama himself defined 'GT' as a great "alternate history of the original 'Dragon Ball'", questioning their status. However, Toei Animation (the animation studio behind the entire franchise) and Shueisha (the publisher behind the manga) recognized 'GT' as an official part of the canon in the timelines presented at the screenings.

In 1993, Akira Toriyama entrusts Takao Koyama with the new story of the little robot and for the designs he chooses Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru (creator of SS4). That manga is titled "The Return Of Dr. Slump" and is the official continuation of the story that ended in 1984.

https://drslump.fandom.com/wiki/The_Brief_Return_of_Dr._Slump

And now the big reveal begins!!!

As we know, Arale is considered "canonical" within the story in Dragon Ball. That's because Arale appeared in the Dragon Ball manga helping Goku and in the anime dbs

Because in one of the chapters of the sequel to Dr.Slump, Goku makes an appearance, but surprisingly, he's Goku from Dragon Ball GT!



You read that right, Goku from Dragon Ball GT made an appearance in the official sequel to Arale, remembering that Arale shares the same world as Dragon Ball

I propose that the GT line be built into the Dragon Ball cosmology, as a separate timeline, like trunks timeline or something like that, it won't change much, it will just exist in the same shared multiverse, as a separate line, like Future Trunks, and that's all.

Edit, edit: according to this site Akira toriyama made a contribution to GT, every interview here
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5411

Agree:
@godofice ,@Quasar002 ,@LordGriffin1000,@MrHazama, @Nullflower, @DarkDragonMedeus

Disagree:

Neutral: @Chariot190

well, what you are suggesting from the scans does not make dbgt into an alternate timeline, but the cannon future of the dragon ball series, which if true would make invalidate the current "toei=>gt" timeline as we treat it now, and just make the gt characters scale to the dragon ball super crew instead of the toei continuity
 
This will eventually lead to DBS 2-C upgrade, so this thread should be pass with good enough inputs.
It could but it really shouldn’t pass because it’s dbs there’s no way dbs can be 2-C it’s just impossible to assume that

2 staff already agree
well, what you are suggesting from the scans does not make dbgt into an alternate timeline, but the cannon future of the dragon ball series, which if true would make invalidate the current "toei=>gt" timeline as we treat it now, and just make the gt characters scale to the dragon ball super crew instead of the toei continuity
no it’d just make them alternate timelines out of the countless
 
well, what you are suggesting from the scans does not make dbgt into an alternate timeline, but the cannon future of the dragon ball series, which if true would make invalidate the current "toei=>gt" timeline as we treat it now, and just make the gt characters scale to the dragon ball super crew instead of the toei continuity
No man, no GT character is going to scale to the super, alternate line.
 
This will eventually lead to DBS 2-C upgrade, so this thread should be pass with good enough inputs.
I don't want something that complicated, I just want the timeline of GT to be part of the canon, but without scaling anything to super, the cosmologies are different from each other
 
Omega, I don't want a CRT with more than three pages, so take it easy and I'm not trying to upgrade DBS to 2-C
yeah i know that, relax dude, as one of the few dbgt enjoyers, it being cannon brings me utmost joy

Both are alternate canons, yes. But doesn't mean both Universes are a 10/10 copy of each other.
specially with the whole "many worlds theory thing" if every possibility becomes another timeline, then there would be a timeline where, for example, there is no sayians, there would be a timeline where the planets are banana shaped, there would be a timeline where there is only 1 universe, there would be a timeline where goku is the supreme being, this is what "all possibilities" becomes real as timelines encompasses, this is the reason we don't scale a universe to another without solid evidence for such, all possibilities means that, more likely than not, they are different in multiple ways
 
The burden proof is trying to say that U7 and GT universe are the same, when in fact they are not, and there isn't any evidence.

You can be inside the same multiverse, and still have Universes with different cosmological structures that vary between each other.
That's needed to be specifically stated if there is a difference to begin with, having story different btw the mirror universes and having the entire mirror universes be different is another thing. They both will have same cosmological structure due to being canon unless stated otherwise.
 
yeah i know that, relax dude, as one of the few dbgt enjoyers, it being cannon brings me utmost joy


specially with the whole "many worlds theory thing" if every possibility becomes another timeline, then there would be a timeline where, for example, there is no sayians, there would be a timeline where the planets are banana shaped, there would be a timeline where there is only 1 universe, there would be a timeline where goku is the supreme being, this is what "all possibilities" becomes real as timelines encompasses, this is the reason we don't scale a universe to another without solid evidence for such, all possibilities means that, more likely than not, they are different in multiple ways
Thats like saying there’s a timeline where Kratos is in the verse there is infinite variations but differences there’s no way there’s a timeline with banana shaped planets
 
That's needed to be specifically stated if there is a difference to begin with, having story different btw the mirror universes and having the entire mirror universes be different is another thing. They both will have same cosmological structure due to being canon unless stated otherwise.
I mean, it doesn't have to tho. There are some examples in fiction where in the same multiverse, each Universe has different structures.

We can't expect all the fictional series to follow the parallel worlds theory toe to toe.
 
no it’d just make them alternate timelines out of the countless
No man, no GT character is going to scale to the super, alternate line.

no, look close dr slump and dbs are in the same timeline, and if the continuation of dr slump makes dbgt characters appear, then it means that in the future of dbs dbgt would happen since the future of dr slump is the future of dbs since both are in the same universe/timeline
and if there is an officcial placement of it in the timeline alongside dbs, i am not oposed to them being alternate timelines, it is just that this is not what the scans in the op suggests
 
no, look close dr slump and dbs are in the same timeline, and if the continuation of dr slump makes dbgt characters appear, then it means that in the future of dbs dbgt would happen since the future of dr slump is the future of dbs since both are in the same universe/timeline
and if there is an officcial placement of it in the timeline alongside dbs, i am not oposed to them being alternate timelines, it is just that this is not what the scans in the op suggests
GT would be in another timeline as stated and Arale can travel between timelines pretty sure she can run through time as well
Koyamas author avatar cuts into Nakatsuru’s author avatar for getting side tracked and drawing GT in Dr Slump So the argument is that it's proof GT exists in the multiverse if author avatars from the main timeline are aware of it
It doesn’t have to exist in one timeline it could still be from another timeline plus the WoGs state GT is just an alternate timeline within the continuity which makes sense since (2-B cosmology)
 
Just saying that DBS established quite clearly that each timeline is the same due to time rings, so assuming GT is different out of nowhere is nonsensical.
 
That's needed to be specifically stated if there is a difference to begin with, having story different btw the mirror universes and having the entire mirror universes be different is another thing. They both will have same cosmological structure due to being canon unless stated otherwise.
alternate timelines don't scale to one another without solid reasoning

Thats like saying there’s a timeline where Kratos is in the verse there is infinite variations but differences there’s no way there’s a timeline with banana shaped planets
just a silly example, dude, infinite variations means exactly that, infinite possibilities = infinite possibilities of what could be different, which includes cosmology, that was what i was trying to say
basically this:
I mean, it doesn't have to tho. There are some examples in fiction where in the same multiverse, each Universe has different structures.

We can't expect all the fictional series to follow the parallel worlds theory toe to toe.


It doesn’t have to exist in one timeline it could still be from another timeline plus the WoGs state GT is just an alternate timeline within the continuity which makes sense since (2-B cosmology)
the only thing that could mean that is akira saying "alternate history" but that is clearly retconed by now since gt is in the official timeline of events and it appears in a "same universe/timeline" sequel story that we know happens in the same universe as dragon ball super

Just saying that DBS established quite clearly that each timeline is the same due to time rings, so assuming GT is different out of nowhere is nonsensical.
when?
 
alternate timelines don't scale to one another without solid reasoning


just a silly example, dude, infinite variations means exactly that, infinite possibilities = infinite possibilities of what could be different, which includes cosmology, that was what i was trying to say
basically this:




the only thing that could mean that is akira saying "alternate history" but that is clearly retconed by now since gt is in the official timeline of events and it appears in a "same universe/timeline" sequel story that we know happens in the same universe as dragon ball super when?

Well i mean infinite variations of just normal db but with slightly different events each time eventually with timelines that are way different than another

“the only thing that could mean that is akira saying "alternate history" but that is clearly retconed by now since gt is in the official timeline of events and it appears in a "same universe/timeline" sequel story that we know happens in the same universe as dragon ball super” I didn’t understand any of that at all
The verse follows MWI, meaning that each timeline is an alternate version of the other. Why would GT be the only timeline with a 2-C U7 if all the counterparts are much smaller?
Well technically the cosmologies are the same besides a few statements favoring toeiverse
 
which means that they brach since the very beginning of said timeline, so they can vary in structure since all the possibilities for said beginning branch into other, well, possibilities
This is assuming that the U7 for some reason became bigger outta nowhere in the GT timeline when that's nowhere stated.
 
This is assuming that the U7 for some reason became bigger outta nowhere in the GT timeline when that's nowhere stated.
The cosmologies are pretty much the same just some statements favor toeiverse over dbs

(Low 2-C Living Realm for being based off our universe and Afterlife for having a different time flow)
 
“the only thing that could mean that is akira saying "alternate history" but that is clearly retconed by now since gt is in the official timeline of events and it appears in a "same universe/timeline" sequel story that we know happens in the same universe as dragon ball super” I didn’t understand any of that at all
okay let us go slowly then, dr slump is in the same universe/timeline and dbs, correct? and the timeline of events that has dbs in it is listing the cannon events of the dragon ball timeline, correct?
This is assuming that the U7 for some reason became bigger outta nowhere in the GT timeline when that's nowhere stated.
which means that they brach since the very beginning of said timeline, so they can vary in structure since all the possibilities for said beginning branch into other, well, possibilities
aka how they were created also has numerous possibilities, so it means the numerous other possibilities for structure are also possibilities to branch
 
okay let us go slowly then, dr slump is in the same universe/timeline and dbs, correct? and the timeline of events that has dbs in it is listing the cannon events of the dragon ball timeline, correct?


aka how they were created also has numerous possibilities, so it means the numerous other possibilities for structure are also possibilities to branch
Omega, I think you can vary the cosmology of another timeline, like there are 18 Universes, another parallel world is just a void, there is still the void left by Zeno'oh in the other line of the time, according to the trunks theory, Universes with different history suggest different time streams as well as Universes
 
okay let us go slowly then, dr slump is in the same universe/timeline and dbs, correct? and the timeline of events that has dbs in it is listing the cannon events of the dragon ball timeline, correct?


aka how they were created also has numerous possibilities, so it means the numerous other possibilities for structure are also possibilities to branch
Not sure but Ik gt being in dr slump isn’t because it’s originally from that timeline an author avatar was making a GT character as explained here
Koyamas author avatar cuts into Nakatsuru’s author avatar for getting side tracked and drawing GT in Dr Slump So the argument is that it's proof GT exists in the multiverse if author avatars from the main timeline are aware of it
We don't even know if it's "Universe 7" in GT's case.
It can very well be U6, or U11
What type of logic is that?
 
Keep in mind this is an argument I can see people making and not what I think is completely infallible.

We see what happens to Gohan in DBS / Super Hero as a result of his sparse routes of training.

The Gohans are described the exact same way in potential and statements that they have the exact same potential. Difference is one stopped training ar various points. GT Gohan is described to have never stopped training since the Buu Arc to the point his Base is his Potential Unleashed power and can Stack Super Saiyan, something Super Hero Gohan is not capable of doing.

Base Baby Saga Goku (which is heavily hinted he broke his limits potential wise) is able to casually match Mind Controlled SSJ Gohan.
 
Keep in mind this is an argument I can see people making and not what I think is completely infallible.

We see what happens to Gohan in DBS / Super Hero as a result of his sparse routes of training.

The Gohans are described the exact same way in potential and statements that they have the exact same potential. Difference is one stopped training ar various points. GT Gohan is described to have never stopped training since the Buu Arc to the point his Base is his Potential Unleashed power and can Stack Super Saiyan, something Super Hero Gohan is not capable of doing.

Base Baby Saga Goku (which is heavily hinted he broke his limits potential wise) is able to casually match Mind Controlled SSJ Gohan.
Is insane when you think about it. Mind controled SS1 GT Gohan being way stronger than SS3 Goku and Buu saga Vegito 💀💀
 
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