A Human Monster VS A Rubber Human

[Worthless]

He's dodging attacks dozens of meters wide that have the same speed as him from someone who can predict his movements?

Rover isn't as fast nor skill as luffy but we're talking about it's size and not it's speed and skill. And that doesn't matter they'll just ended up predicting each other movements.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

With gear 3rd he can use lightning

With gear 2nd he can use fire

Luffy can reflect physical attacks with twice the force as he transforms into a balloon

Luffy can grab onto people and headbutt them

Luffy can take a deep breath and propel himself into people and hit them with a barrage of attacks

Luffy has a move meant for IR which lets him dodge everything (Gomu Gomu no Idk)

Luffy can enhance the size of any of his limbs and hit people with that


Not all of Luffy's moves are stretching

Luffy can also use the environment and use a giant rock for defensive and offensive.

 

[Nierre]

With gear 3rd he can use lightning

With gear 2nd he can use fire

Luffy can reflect physical attacks with twice the force as he transforms into a balloon

Luffy can grab onto people and headbutt them

Luffy can take a deep breath and propel himself into people and hit them with a barrage of attacks

Luffy has a move meant for IR which lets him dodge everything (Gomu Gomu no Idk)

Luffy can enhance the size of any of his limbs and hit people with that


Not all of Luffy's moves are stretching

Lightning?? what??

The balloon move isn't anything crazy. With Garou's stamina and IT2 he would tank the attacks and as soon as he sees Luffy try to inhale to become a balloon a second time, he'd move away.

He doesn't use that IR move in character and has yet to use it since his fight against Enel. In fact he's better off not using it at all since he cannot fight back while using it

Like I said about g3 Garou sees it once then he can react to the rest of the moves, and I don't think he'll let luffy pull that off since hes going to be up in his face like 100% of the time since he has no range advantage at all

 

[Rez]

Would you rather try to keep up with a normal guy who's 4 times faster than you or a guy who is a master of many martial arts?
Hint: try watching a MMA fight at 0.25 speed

analytical prediction working and actually reacting are 2 different

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And that doesn't matter they'll just ended up predicting each other movements.

Think like this... Luffy will know what garou will do while garou needs to guess

 

[Nierre]

Luffy can also use the environment and use a giant rock for defensive and offensive.

True but Garou can easily just break the rocks like they're nothing

 

[Worthless]

The guy/girl that said he has FTL reaction

You didn't read my explanation regarding to it done ya?

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Lightning?? what??

Yeah. You didn't know that? that's a specific Gear 3 move, named "GIGANTO THOR" or something along the lines of a Giganto attack.

 

[Rez]

Rover isn't as fast nor skill as luffy but we're talking about it's size and not it's speed and skill. And that doesn't matter they'll just ended up predicting each other movements.

No it does matter because luffy can also sense Garou's intention and where he actually is

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Lightning?? what??

With thor techniques

 

[Rez]

Also rover's attacks aren't the size of gear 3rd and Garou is clearly faster than rover which is something he isn't here

 

[SemiRaedi]

Because luffy has precog that out precogs other very skilled precog users

That doesn't mean that Luffy's accuracy just goes above 100% accuracy though, Garou's techniques get stronger as he grows so here is a scaling chain for his analytical prediction.

Hero Hunter Garou prediction < Post Royal Ripper fight Garou's prediction < Post Rover fight Garou's prediction < Post Orochi fight Garou's prediction < Spiral Garou's (current key) prediction.

Each jump is considerably superior to the other and considering the fact that first key Garou can predict several outcomes from just the position of someone sitting on a bike in his Hero Hunter key's level of analytic prediction it means Garou and fighting someone like Orochi who uses fast and random elastic attacks similar to Luffy, I really don't see why Garou is not going to be able to see 9/10 of Luffy's moves

 

[Worthless]

Think like this... Luffy will know what garou will do while garou needs to guess

That's literally how analytical works they dodge attacks through assumption

 

[Rez]

That's literally how analytical works they dodge attacks through assumption

Luffy has future sight not analytical prediction

 

[Nierre]

Oh dang I thought that was a Haki clash or something, that's cool ig

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Oh dang I thought that was a Haki clash or something, that's cool ig

Normally that would be the case, but except in this case. Perhaps, you have watched the fight Luffy vs Shiki?

 

[Rez]

That doesn't mean that Luffy's accuracy just goes above 100% accuracy though, Garou's techniques get stronger as he grows so here is a scaling chain for his analytical prediction.

Hero Hunter Garou prediction < Post Royal Ripper fight Garou's prediction < Post Rover fight Garou's prediction < Post Orochi fight Garou's prediction < Spiral Garou's (current key) prediction.

Each jump is considerably superior to the other and considering the fact that first key Garou can predict several outcomes from just the position of someone sitting on a bike in his Hero Hunter key's level of analytic prediction it means Garou and fighting someone like Orochi who uses fast and random elastic attacks similar to Luffy, I really don't see why Garou is not going to be able to see 9/10 of Luffy's moves

And why wouldn't luffy just adapt to that with his precog and intention sensing and Garou growing stronger during battle is irrelevant since gear 3rd's two or three hits can end the fight real quick

 

[Worthless]

Also rover's attacks aren't the size of gear 3rd and Garou is clearly faster than rover which is something he isn't here

But they're speed equalize and that's a big massive advantage for Garou Garou been fighting who's more durable, faster and stronger than him so fighting someone who's just equal to him they gonna ended up worst than those stronger, faster and durable than him

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Hero Hunter Garou prediction < Post Royal Ripper fight Garou's prediction < Post Rover fight Garou's prediction < Post Orochi fight Garou's prediction < Spiral Garou's (current key) prediction.

And beginner luffy precog >>> dressrosa luffy precog

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Garou apparently won the most skilled character award in VSBW, so yeah. He's undoubtedly more skilled than Zoro,

Which thread? i wanna see what number is mori on

 

[KingTempest]

We forgetting Luffy’s precog gets stronger during battle?

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Which thread? i wanna see what number is mori on

I think, Kachan sent me a link to that Thread. I can tell you one thing, Goku isn't not even number 3 or 5. (I seriously didn't know that Garou is number 1)

 

[Rez]

But they're speed equalize and that's a big massive advantage for Garou Garou been fighting who's more durable, faster and stronger than him so fighting someone who's just equal to him they gonna ended up worst that those stronger, faster and durable than him

Luffy has fought people way above his calibur too and Luffy's enhanced sense and haki means it's not an advantage at all luffy can sense Garou's intentions and see his future

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

We forgetting Luffy’s precog gets stronger during battle?

And Luffy grows in devil fruit power, haki and overall statistics very fast…

 

[Rez]

Luffy has fought people way above his calibur too and Luffy's enhanced sense and haki means it's not an advantage at all luffy can sense Garou's intentions and see his future

And also locate his presence he doesn't need to follow him with his eyes too

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Oh boy, i wish the grave wasn't already over. But it can't be helped...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Oh boy, i wish the grave wasn't already over. But it can't be helped...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Switching to Luffy FRA

 

[SemiRaedi]

And beginner luffy precog >>> dressrosa luffy precog

Beginner Luffy received infrequent glimpses of the future that he could control. Can you actually explain what about Luffy's precog gets stronger?

 

[Epiccheev]

analytical prediction working and actually reacting are 2 different

Still no reason to dismiss his feat as unimpressive, if you fight someone with more speed you only have to adapt to someone with simple movements,practically no feints and a simple flow, if you fight someone with more fighting skill at speed equal you need to predict more complex movements, feints and a trickier flow, but with a lot more time to properly analyze and figure a counter.
Both are not mutually exclusive

 

[SemiRaedi]

Garou grows in all of his statistics mid battle too so I don't see how Luffy growing against Garou will matter when Garou will simultaneously grow against Luffy.

 

[Rez]

Garou grows in all of his statistics mid battle too so I don't see how Luffy growing against Garou will matter when Garou will simultaneously grow against Luffy.

It doesn't but luffy can three shot Garou can't

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Can you actually explain what about Luffy's precog gets stronger?

Everything... HAKI

 

[Nierre]

Garou explicitly has RE and RPL on his page, he's definitely growing faster than Luffy in this match.

 

[KingTempest]

Lightning?? what??

Above

The balloon move isn't anything crazy. With Garou's stamina and IT2 he would tank the attacks and as soon as he sees Luffy try to inhale to become a balloon a second time, he'd move away.

It takes a few seconds, it's not that long, and Luffy's just charge at him

He doesn't use that IR move in character and has yet to use it since his fight against Enel. In fact he's better off not using it at all since he cannot fight back while using it

He hasn't used it because he hasn't fought someone who can predict better than him since Enel

Like I said about g3 Garou sees it once then he can react to the rest of the moves, and I don't think he'll let luffy pull that off since hes going to be up in his face like 100% of the time since he has no range advantage at all

?????

After Luffy does it once he can keep using it until he chooses to deflate

Everything...

This is a whole different key monkey goddamn

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I think, Kachan sent me a link to that Thread. I can tell you one thing, Goku isn't not even number 3 or 5. (I seriously didn't know that Garou is number 1)

What number is jin mori on?

 

[SemiRaedi]

Everything... HAKI

Ah yes, a one word answer that doesn't explain anything while using a superior key

 

[RazumaHiroki]

What number is jin mori on?

Wait, lemme send you the link.

 

[Worthless]

it's not an advantage at all luffy can sense Garou's intentions and see his future

Garou gonna predict it through his Analytical, that also works on projectile attacks and even if we removed Garou A-P they're still speed equalized hence even if luffy knows Garou intention it's a matter of, if he can really hit Garou with his attacks. While although i acknowledge he also ain't hitting luffy but via his RE he'll become faster than before enough to blitz his future sight like kaido + white beard (I don really it's name but saw someone posting dude with beard surpassing his future sight)

 

[Nierre]

Question, grace is 24 hours right