9-B Tournament - Two Worlds Collide Match 2: Tsukasa Shishio vs Finn Bálor

[DrGreyman]

Are there any other Dr. Stone supporter other than @Spinoirr?

what have i said the entire time, dr stone got 2 real supporters, and im one of them

 

[Bruhtelho]

What if told y'all that Bálor is far more skilled than someone who uses mathematical formulas in their head to quickly analyze and defeat their opponents?

unless the other guy is skilled himself then this aint amounting to much lmao intelligence comes in handy but not for every situation.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I know Random is hyping that statement up but it could just be flowery language IMO

Eh, not really.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

unless the other guy is skilled himself then this aint amounting to much lmao intelligence comes in handy but not for every situation.

He is skilled.

He uses mathematical formulas in his head to defeat his opponents. How is that not skill?

I can link y'all to some of his matches if you want.

 

[Bruhtelho]

He is skilled.

He uses mathematical formulas in his head to defeat his opponents.

just because he uses mathematical formulas to defeat people =/= him being super skilled, thats an intelligence feat that plays into how they fight against opponents, you can be more skilled then someone who is smarter then you.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I can link y'all to some of his matches if you want.

 

[Antoniofer]

See, if you got two guys that are as physically strong and fast as each other, and one of them can predict movement based in mathematical formulas or similar, naturally the one with the mathematical prediction would win. So, why is the oher guy overall more powerful? a) He has more AP and/or Speed and that difference in stat gave him the win, b) he has some ability that counters that ability of the other opponent, o c) the mathematical intuition is not as good as described and it "failed" in this instance.

 

[DrGreyman]

Finn’s pretty acrobatic, he’ll miss the ropes a bit here, but he’s a very fluid and aggressive fighter who can move around his opponents to feint them into a blind spot, before pulling off a deadly combo, he has one of the more efficient and fluid movesets in all of WWE

Tsukasa is acrobatic himself, he has been shown to jump very high and is able to perform backflips and dodge crossbow bolts

 

[Pikaman]

I am very bad at explaining things, so imma just put some videos here

So... he dodged one attack, then dodged two attacks which was done with a simple side-step, and then one shot all the people attacking him one by one with AP

it’s flashy but not actually mad impressive considering the level of skill we are at here

 

[DrGreyman]

So... he dodged one attack, then dodged two attacks which was done with a simple side-step, and then one shot all the people attacking him one by one with AP

it’s flashy but not actually mad impressive considering the level of skill we are at here

there are more impressive feats in the manga, but my brain is fried rn and idk how to get good screenshots
im really sorry guys

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean if the Math dude never lost and Balor never fought them, why would he scale?

 

[Pikaman]

That’s just a montage of winning blows, we gather nothing about his skill from this. How did he win? Skill? Maybe, or he one-shot everyone or close to with sheer power, being able to hit UFC fighters a few times would not be even close to Finn’s level

 

[RandomGuy2345]

See, if you got two guys that are as physically strong and fast as each other, and one of them can predict movement based in mathematical formulas or similar, naturally the one with the mathematical prediction would win. So, why is the oher guy overall more powerful? a) He has more AP and/or Speed and that difference in stat gave him the win, b) he has some ability that counters that ability of the other opponent, o c) the mathematical intuition is not as good as described and it "failed" in this instance.

I already sent you a link proving that the mathematical formula feat is skill.

I mean if the Math dude never lost and Balor never fought them, why would he scale?

Because Finn has fought on par with and defeated far superior opponents than what Axiom has defeated.

 

[DrGreyman]

That’s just a montage of winning blows, we gather nothing about his skill from this. How did he win? Skill? Maybe, or he one-shot everyone or close to with sheer power, being able to hit UFC fighters a few times would not be even close to Finn’s level

this was more to show how he fought as a child, less about the rest
he was fighting grown men much bigger than him for a long time

 

[Pikaman]

I mean if the Math dude never lost and Balor never fought them, why would he scale?

Because the Math dude is in the B-League of WWE pretty much

Also, let’s not skew discussion towards the maths statement too much, Finn has a crap ton of other less dubious and arguably better skill feats, and fixating on this one feat that may or may not be valid just results in adopting the mindset that’s the best he can achieve

 

[Pikaman]

this was more to show how he fought as a child, less about the rest
he was fighting grown men much bigger than him for a long time

I mean he grows up very rapidly in this by the looks of it, and even as a child he would have been put in with fellow light-weights as part of UFC regulations

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also, let’s not skew discussion towards the maths statement too much, Finn has a crap ton of other less dubious and arguably better skill feats, and fixating on this one feat that may or may not be valid just results in adopting the mindset that’s the best he can achieve

Yeah.

Finn has fought on par with UFC Fighters and Amateur wrestlers like Brock Lesnar, who went 106-5 in his 4 years of college.

Brock is the same guy who has fought on par with and defeated the likes of Kurt Angle, who started wrestling at the age of 7, and is legitimately named the greatest shoot wrestler of all time.

 

[DrGreyman]

i'll need to wait for spinoirr and the morning to properly debate, im staying up way too late.
sorry to blueball you like this but it wont be an interesting fight otherwize

 

[Pikaman]

Finn has fought on par with UFC Fighters and Amateur wrestlers like Brock Lesnar, who went 106-5 in his 4 years of college.

I would say “kept up with” quicker than “fought on par with”

The gap is small, and Bálor’s so much lighter the gap is irrelevant (if not leaning in his favour over Brock’s skill wise) anyways, but Lesnar is still the better man in an all-around contest, just about

 

[Pikaman]

i'll need to wait for spinoirr and the morning to properly debate, im staying up way too late.
sorry to blueball you like this but it wont be an interesting fight otherwize

I too soon will need sleep, so this may work out well for the both of us

Anyways [insert request to not push any votes through while the rep and main supporter of one of the characters involved is asleep here]

 

[Pikaman]

Ok, I’m back!

 

[DrGreyman]

is @Spinoirr on yet? imma wait for the guy that put tsukasa in

 

[Spinoirr]

I mean this is a dude who has been fighting in UFC sense he was a kid and he has a big metal double sided buster sword

 

[Pikaman]

Spinoirr joined the thread

/hj

 

[Pikaman]

I mean this is a dude who has been fighting in UFC sense he was a kid

Bálor’s got pretty good experience too, and he’s built his whole career fighting impossible odds through skill and precision, as well as an excellently crafted move-set

and he has a big metal double sided buster sword

CC: https://vsbattles.com/threads/tier-...ment-chris-jericho-vs-tsukasa-shishio.138183/

 

[DrGreyman]

lets put the sword aside for now, (Bc we will start going in circles)

 

[Spinoirr]

I mean what's on this man's profile in his intelligence section is his intelligence feats all the way to the American arc

 

[Pikaman]

lets put the sword aside for now, (Bc we will start going in circles)

Yeah WWE vs Weapons, swords in particular, was entertaining in Jericho vs Tsukasa (A.K.A. the first time) and ever since has been a toxic and circular debate that leaves everyone frustrated and nobody convinced, Tsukasa has a range and piercing damage advantage (albeit with a kinda impractical sword), Finn has the potential to circumvent it (in particular as he’s slippier than most). That’s my take on it, opening debate on this topic will kill it stone dead, so I’ll leave it at that

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yeah, what saved Jericho from winning that match against Tsukasa was basically his skill and IR advantages, along with his Pain Tolerance

Finn is arguably on the same level of skill as Tsukasa, but he lacks the IR Jericho has, but he makes up for it with slipperiness and speed. Finn also lacks Pain Tolerance.

However, Finn will have to pick his spots correctly here, because unlike Jericho, he isn't a technician. He's not as precise as Jericho. One hit with that sword is going to do a number on Finn, which will make it worse since he doesn't have Immense Pain Tolerance.

 

[Pikaman]

However, Finn will have to pick his spots correctly here, because unlike Jericho, he isn't a technician. He's not as precise as Jericho.

Is this plain ass cap your revenge on me for voting Batman vs Theory...

Being a technician means you specialise in tussles, grapples, etc. Finn obviously has to be precise, more so than Jericho I would say, as his whole career is based on fighting guys who could mangle him with one good combo if he wasn’t careful. Finn’s got plenty of experience playing careful and around heavy hitters, it’s kinda his thing. If we’re talking fighting styles, Finn is BETTER equipped for Tsukasa when compared to Jericho

Though yes, a lack of IR (though I could probably find something for Finn on that) and Pain tolerance makes actually getting hit a bigger issue for Finn than it was for Jericho, he’ll balance that out with being less likely to get hit, and also specialising in punishing and creating openings against bigger, deadlier opponents.

 

[DrGreyman]

if he don't got pain tolerance, then forget the sword, even tsukasas punches will **** him up.
one knee from him made a character famous for his endurance blackout


this is when he got kneed, and at 2:16 he goes under
but keep in mind that taijus entire character is that he doesn't go down

 

[Pikaman]

if he don't got pain tolerance, then forget the sword, even tsukasas punches will **** him up.
one knee from him made a character famous for his endurance blackout

Cap, thats an issue of a massive AP advantage or that character just not being all he was cracked up to be, by that logic Finn only needs a good hit to wind Tsukasa and get him to create an opening

but keep in mind that taijus entire character is that he doesn't go down

and a principle of Finn’s character is picking on people well above his weight class, your point?

 

[Pikaman]

if he don't got pain tolerance, then forget the sword, even tsukasas punches will **** him up.
one knee from him made a character famous for his endurance blackout


this is when he got kneed, and at 2:16 he goes under
but keep in mind that taijus entire character is that he doesn't go down

The video isn’t available to me, which character is it?

 

[Pikaman]

damn this thread kinda died

 

[DrGreyman]

i had to do stuff

 

[RandomGuy2345]

damn this thread kinda died

Because Spin is not participating lmao.

 

[DrGreyman]

i'll think of stuff in a sec

 

[Pikaman]

i'll think of stuff in a sec

Can you tell me who the character was in the vid that got punched by Tsukasa

 

[DrGreyman]

Taiju

 

[RandomGuy2345]

This mf Grey has to debate in 2 threads because his homeboy isn't there to back him up lmao.