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8-C/High 8-C Royale

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@Monarch: I can add him, sure. May need some clarification on the scope of his abilities, but judging by the profile, he seems like he can contend somewhat.

@J-Man: Sorry. Thought you meant in regards to the stalemate situation. My bad.
 
No, needs to actually kill them for it to destroy the soul. Otherwise it's just a really good sword. On the other hand the Redeemer can eject the soul from the body with a good stab.

Though maybe the Worker would be a better choice... his Regenerationn is a lot better. he's a lot smarter, and his soul manip can actually one shot.
 
The Worker could not be killed even by being stabbed through the chest, and stated his head would regrow as fast as Radriar could chop it off (both of which are things thats that would normally kill a Deathless's body and force their soul to seek out a new host). However, when Siris stabbed the Worker through the chest and activated the Redeemer, it instantly ejected the Worker's soul and wiped its mind. He didn't actually die, but it erased all his memories so that when he was reborn in a child's body, he was no longer the Worker.

Essentially, if Siris stabs you and activates the Redeemer, even if you could normally survive, your soul gets ejected from your body. And if you can survive that, your soul is mindwiped too.
 
Hmm, can't tell if that's a problem for Diavolo or not.

His soul getting ejected is irrelevant, thst could actially help him out greatly as he'd be able to use his possesion.

The mind wipe is the problem, the only counter I see to that is throwing Doppio in as fodder and having his soul get haxed while Diavolo remains fine.
 
However, regardless, Infinity Blade does take him in that case. Destroys both souls the moment it kills their body. It specialises in killing body-hoppers
 
Probably, but do they have resistance to it? The person he possesed didn't even know they were untill he made himself known.

And why would it kill both? The moment the soul is ejected he can do whatever he pleases, Doppio can't do that so yeah he'd die, but Diavolo kinda already there him under the boss and let him die along with the body he was in in the manga when the soul manip stuff was happening.

This is ignoring the fact Diavolo can erase the fact he gets screwed there in that specific instant it happens but keep the other parts, wouldn't be the first time he erased an incredibly small fraction of time to avoid stuff.
 
If Diavolvo get's killed by the sword, the souls are destroyed. Not ejected. Ejecting only happens when Siris uses the Redeemer. He wouldn't bother using it when he's fighting a normal person. When something is killed with the sword, the QIP of the thing that was killed is destabilised and destroyed. Seeing as both Diavolvo and Doppio exist in the body that is killed, they are both destroyed if the IB kills them.

Erasing time in which he was hit, sure, but that's only if it actually happens. If Siris stabs Diavolvo through the head, he's dead.
 
If thats the case i doubt Diavolo is gonna let himself get stabbed since he'd just Look into the future and see what happens or see him do it to someone else, he'd erase the moment it makes contact with him if it ever did come to that, hell he can even induce thus weird pseudo phasing state for an instant, like he did against Nero to have bulkets pass through him but hit someone else.
 
The Worker of Secrets is a such a genius that he was capable of predicting every action of almost every person on the planet with precise detail, to the point of predicting what thoughts they were thinking. He could do Joseph's "now you will say" except with their thoughts instead of their words.

He couldn't predict Siris. Precog is going to be a lot less useful than you might think against him.
 
Only though the bangs though

Might be hard when he's dodging sword attacks.

Or getting killed by someone else... just pointing out there are other people here.
 
Yeah. And as a mild counter to Diavolo's possession that was brought up earlier, some of these people can see spirits and avoid them.

BB Hunter goes the extra mile by being able to kill disembodied souls.

And Crowley knows how to trap body-hoppers within their bodies. His verse is full of them, and he happens to be one himself. (Which is another reason why possession won't work on him, since he has experience dealing with people who are far better at it than the likes of Diavolo)
 
And he's done incredibly well at using it in the heat of combat before without it hindering him, see end of Part 5 chase, where he's being shot at by Sex Pistols yet despite not even looking in that direction he's dodging every single bullet and erasing time sporadically to avoid getting hit.

And >dodging sword attacks

Problem with that is he's not dodging, he's erasing the instant it hits, he doesnt have to dodge.

>Implying Diavolo is gonna go fight unless it's 1v1. Actually a plot point, unless he knows for a fact he can kill everyone without being seen he won't even try.

That's how Bruno was saved, the moment Giorno showed up Duavolo erased time and within that time he disappeared and hid since he didn't know if he could take them both on and didn't wanna risk it.

A major part of his character is intense paranoia and not wanting anybody to see him. Hell he was gonna kill his daughter for that reason.
 
Negativity, chances are his possession isnt gonna be used but even so, he can erase time to where he's already possesing them and skip the middle man of actualky doing it altogether.
 
It very much depends on whether or not he gets encountered by multiple people.

And in the event Diavolo tries to hide, he runs the risk of getting dominated by Flagg. The Dark Man is just as likely as Diavolo to get out of dodge as soon as everyone starts attacking at once. But once he's in a secluded enough area, he can send out his Eye.

As far back as The Stand, he used this third eye of his to locate people from across the U.S., and even though he was weaker back then (he's had a power creep over the years), he had no problem using his telepathic powers while staring people down with the Eye.

With a number of his deadliest hax powers having multi-universal range at this point in his character's lifespan, he's going to destroy Diavolo the moment he sees him through the Eye, especially if he's all alone. And even with precog, Diavolo's most likely not going to see where his attacker is, let alone retaliate.
 
Does that matter? Chances are he wont, he takes off immediately whenever he gets intobcontactvwith more than 1, he managed to puss right away the instant someone else showed up when he fought Bruno by erasing time andcskipping to wherevhecwas already in hiding.

That's one person, yes they both go hide, yes he could likely see Diavolo but Epitaph, if not showing him where Flagg is, will at the very least show him what happens to himself and thus he prevents it by skipping the instant whatever happens to him happens.

Honestly the main person im worried about here is Hackmon, he seems like the strongest contender and can possibly bypass Epitaph+Time easure.
 
That reminds me, xyz probably ought to put forth some info on Hackmon at some point. I've been wondering about that character since the reset.
 
Honestly I could see Hackmon negging time erase leaving Diavolo vulnerable leaving him with just high end high 8-C strength and dura. Cant say though.
 
He did say that Hackmon is likely to sneak around instead of attacking directly. And he's capable literally hacking his opponents for intel. If he prioritizes, he may go after the people here with the most ridiculous hax powers. Which, at first blush to an outsider like him, would probably be Flagg, Crowley, Diavolo and/or Kira.

Which reminds me, what do you guys think is the likelihood of Kira surviving an encounter against any of these people? Seems iffy, now that I've got the info on them right in front of me.
 
There's a reason im not arguing Kira, oh of course Kira could instakill basically anyone here, atomizing them via transmutation but he has no resustances, so he'd probably instakill at least one person here before getting taken out.

There's SHA but that's odd, it could cripple some and no one here has the power to put it down in raw stats but it can be trucjed so probably not that reliable.

BTD is great, if he manages to rig at least one person he can rewind time an hour back, everyone but the host of BTD will continuevas normal and then once the time arrives everyone will suddenly explode before disintegrating, at that point kira can choose to go back again or undo it have the dead stay dead.

Major flaw though, when time rewinds Kira doesnt know what will happen after the initial reset, he can guess but he doesn't know, he just knows what happens the furst time its used, any subsequent uses he doesnt get info on so if he uses bTD and gets everyone with it and goes back hes good to go as longbas he pisses off from the fught ebturely and let BTD fated kill work it's magic. But here unless, he has the option of leaving the fight entirely before it even begins it wont work since he'd get ragdolled without KQ. So it depends on the circumstances.


Basically Kira can possibly win this entire thing if the location and circumstances are right but if not he takes out a person then probably gets singled out.
 
So...

We have a good amount of info in front of us now. Who does everyone think is most likely to go down first? (And why?)
 
I do feel like BTD is something he wouldn't use right away, so it may end up not being a factor if he gets killed.

Who does he take down, though? Would anyone here be likely to let their guard down long enough for him to bomb them?
 
Guarding doesn't matter, as long as he can make contact he can transmute or if they touch something he turned into a bomb (literally anything, a coin, a doorknob, a piece of rock, weapons, any inanimate object really, or even corpses or organic matter since he could transfer a charge from one person to another) he can transfer the charge from the object to them and bypass the needing to touch them phase, at that point he can atomize.

So as long as he touches them or they touch something he's already touched he can do it.
 
So it's a matter of who falls for it first.

If Flagg reads his mind (he's likely to do that to everyone right out of the gate), then he won't fall for it.

Diavolo's Epitaph (also likely to be done right out of the gate) would mean that he wouldn't fall for it either.

And Hackmon can hack info from him, so he would have blatant intel.

I don't know about anything the rest can do in order to avoid it.
 
Basically the people I woulf assume wouldn't fall for it, I could see the Hunter falling for it but resurrection (unless one of the 3 you just mentioned follow up with destroying the lamp as diavolo with epitaph would know he can come back through that and probably bust it in erased time, Fkahh coukd mind rwad and destroy it to stop him from coming back or hack could stomp the lamp from working).
 
I get the feeling Flagg would be focused on getting out of everyone's immediate range once he's read their minds, tbh. He has a long history of getting himself to safety with a teleport whenever he's faced with something that he knows can kill him. He's done it to avoid Roland shooting him, did it early in his career after he took an arrow in the face (this was long before he had the defensive measures he does now), did it when he was found within Roland's camp, and even did it when he was faced with a nuke that was about to detonate and destroy Las Vegas.

Also, Flagg might not be able to read BB Hunter's mind. Depends on the extent of his mind resistance and whether or not it protects him from mind-reading.
 
I dunno. I haven't actually gotten far enough into Bloodborne to tell you that much. He technically should have it from the beginning of the game onwards unless something changed him mid-game, though. Assuming he didn't get boosted due to some plot point, he would likely have had the resistance since the beginning.

Also, if he does have it, it definitely wouldn't be 'negligible'. No-selling mind-hax from 4-C beings (all of whom can apparently drive people insane just by being looked at, Lovecraft style) seems like pretty strong resistance to me.
 
Nah, I've beaten and even got the platinum o Bloodborne probably in my top 20 games and as I recall he, over the course of the game, slowly becomes some sort of pseudo great one himself (also because weekly stated that).

Theres some changes to him in there, i wouldn't expect him to have it at the start of the game, especially when great ones are almost all end game and he starts off with 0 insight, ya need at least 40 to see great ones.
 
Strange. He should probably have that divided from his other abilities (alongside his 4-C powers) if he doesn't have that at the beginning. Oh well.

In that case, Flagg could probably take him out at some point once he's gotten his scheme going. Not first, mind you, since his priority will likely be getting to a safe distance, then focusing on the more dangerous targets like Diavolo, Crowley, Hackmon or Izzard. But he will indeed know about the Hunter's Dream and would try his best to set up a contingency plan for it.
 
The Hunter does have the mind hax resistance from the beginning, Insight (Knowledge of the Great Ones) is something that is present in the game way before you meet the actual Great Ones
 
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