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Mr. Bambu said:
ThePixelKirby said:
I mean, it's not really new knowledge that Bambu's characters are traditionally very strong. The Hunter is another one of those guys who borders on being too strong for Brackets.
But so does Ouma and especially "I-Have-A-Giant-EE-Blade", so all's fair in the end.
I try to add as much versatility as possible if I must add someone to brackets, boyo. If you can't have one cover-all hax, then cover all paths with other stuff.
We think similarly when it comes to strong characters (of the non-hax variety).
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I try to add as much versatility as possible if I must add someone to brackets, boyo. If you can't have one cover-all hax, then cover all paths with other stuff.
Hah, weak panda. Anne won her tournament with a metal stick and chi manip ovo
 
First Witch said:
Woudnt Wolf slap most of the Brackets fighter though, outside of the current top dogs?
Through skill alone? Yes. Wolf lacks any form of hax whatsoever, besides that broken ressurection; which can easily be bypassed via incap.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Mr. Bambu said:
> Tier 6
Nothing Hunter has is tier 6 in this key. What he does have is drugs which don't matter on tier, the occasional paralysis trap, some power null, etc.
Yes those, his wind resistance, his bullets which pierce tier 6 durability. Nothing much. Drugs do matter on tier actually. You don't drug Goku with the same drug that almost killed a 10-B. Ouma's whole body is not normal (steel bones, muscle fibres, nerves etc), but i cannot be arguing Ouma resists the drugs, not when they can weaken tier 6 beings.
...why not? Why would a 5-B naturally resist being drugged to sleep without displaying resistance?
 
What 5-Bs do you know irl
 
I feel like people are not even trying anymore.

-Before armour removal: Ouma cannot be harmed.

-After armour removal: Ouma blitzes everything hunter can do.

It's like this is not even being taken in consideration. Oh well.
 
If he releases it, not neccesarily that if he gets it nulled.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
If he releases it, not neccesarily that if he gets it nulled.
No. If he doesn't have the armour. The armour is a lot of weight. If he releases it, he relieves the weight. If he gets nulled the armour is released cus he can't manipulate wind so he can't keep the armour on him anymore.

Nullification is just forcing the release of his armour which means the 8b winds will blow away anything that's not hunter himself.
 
Again, and I've said this a few times, I don't believe it matters much what with Hunter's wincondition revolving around firing something attached to his wrist and dropping something, but...

...why does air weigh a lot. Why is this something that makes sense in any context. Yoof.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Drugs do matter on tier actually. You don't drug Goku with the same drug that almost killed a 10-B. Ouma's whole body is not normal (steel bones, muscle fibres, nerves etc), but i cannot be arguing Ouma resists the drugs, not when they can weaken tier 6 beings.
Drugs don't matter on tier, they matter on size, actually. The same amount of cyanide will kill a bodybuilder and a morbidly obese paraplegic. Probably more on the latter, actually, due to, again, size.

His body "not being normal" would have to include his lungs, vital organs, and most importantly circulatory system and brain to "resist drugs".

So yeah, we wouldn't "tier" drugs in any case; if he's breathing in toxic gases and we assume he suffers the same symptoms we do until proven otherwise. If he gets a toxic injection, he suffers the same symptoms we do until proven otherwise.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Again, and I've said this a few times, I don't believe it matters much what with Hunter's wincondition revolving around firing something attached to his wrist and dropping something, but...

...why does air weigh a lot. Why is this something that makes sense in any context. Yoof.
The blitz will be faster.

Because it's so dense it stops 8a attacks. It's just so much air it actually weighs him down and evolved him. I will post the moments of this tomorrow or the day after.

@Dargo his organs, bones, skin etc are literal steel. I mean his body is more evolved than stella whose power is conceptual manipulation of being a dragon in terms of power, physique, and metabolism. I will post the ln quotes when i get the time.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
@Dargo his organs, bones, skin etc are literal steel. I mean his body is more evolved than stella whose power is conceptual manipulation of being a dragon in terms of power, physique, and metabolism. I will post the ln quotes when i get the time.
I'm not really concerned with "more evolved" or "more powerful" mainly because those don't tell me anything unless there is examples of poison/toxin resistance.

He's entirely made of steel? As in Inorganic Physiology and Self-Sustenance, neither of which are on or suggested on the profile?

If they still function like regular organs, though, they should still also be susceptible to stuff such as toxins unless otherwise specified. Additonaly, doing some searching on the wiki only suggests either his skin has this quality, and that his organs and such as just "as strong as steel", not 'made of' steel.
 
Ok so first to the Armour is just an intense weight part:

"In that case......there was already no meaning in training anymore. Normal training was useless. What I needed was......an evolution to obtain wings that let me fly towards the summit instead of walking on the path!"


In an instant, Ouma grasped the upper part of his kimono...


"Tenryuu Gusoku ÔöÇÔöÇ Release."


And took it off.


Immediately after that, an invisible shockwave hit Stella and then the venue itself.


It had blown Stella off to the edge of the ring, bent the fence surrounding the venue, and shattered all the windows facing the ring. A choir of screams resounded.


Stella drew her breath at that scene.


Just then, Ouma had definitely said 'release'. In other words, that amount of air was not generated right in that momentÔöÇÔöÇ


"Don't tell me, you, with that absurdly large amount of air......have you been suppressing yourself with that until now!?"


Ouma wordlessly affirmed her.


That's right. The explosion of air that knocked Stella just then, everything was a high-pressure shackle that had been binding Ouma until a moment ago. He used his Noble Art, Tenryuu Gusoku, which repelled enemy attacks by wearing it, against himself, and burdened his body constantly with an out-of-norm load.


Now about his body and evolution:

"For what reason, are you doing that......"


"Of course, for the sake of ÒÇîEvolutionÒÇì."


Evolution was a fundamental ability that living things possessed in order to adapt to the environment. For example, something similar to webbing might appear from a human who had been constantly swimming since he was young.


Ouma administered himself to a harsh environment that pushed his body to the limit, forcefully triggering his body's ability. It was for the sake of obtaining a physical body that could withstand any attack, and a power that could beat any enemy down.


However, even if living things were equipped with the ability to evolve, it was normal for it to take a long time. Naturally, he couldn't do it easily.


A human body under that level of pressure would not remain unscathed.


The pressure suppressed him from all directions, he couldn't even lift a finger.


His flesh was squashed, his bones were smashed.


His organs could not function properly due to external pressure.


Of course, he could not fight in that condition, and continued to lose.


He was beaten, slashed, pierced, burned by enemies that he could effortlessly win against in the pastÔöÇÔöÇ......


However......even so, he did not cease his recklessness.


Because he knew that he had to do it in order to reach the territory of that demonic being.


He continued to force his battered body without mercy.


If he was pressed to death by his own power, he could only go that far.


"And then......when countless wounds were carved onto my entire body, this recklessness paid off."


His body gradually, in order to adapt to the environment he set on himself, began to evolve.


His bone structure increased its hardness to be like an iron core in order not to lose against the pressure suppressing him, his organs pulsated strongly in order to let blood circulate his entire body. Each and every muscle fibre of his body became stronger and more tenacious in order to let him move smoothly under high pressure......eventually, when his body could not feel the ÒÇîPressureÒÇì anymore ÔöÇÔöÇ Ouma's body literally transformed into ÒÇîSteelÒÇì.


"You may not see it from the compacted external appearance, but just like the feedback from your hand, my weight, with muscle and bone density tens of times higher than a normal person, is way heavier than Panzer Grizzly. A lukewarm slash will never injure me."


There is also the time he was burned and the heat turned his bone into a flaming rod of sorts (which means his bone for some reason conducts heat REALLY well. And the muscle density and stuff means most of the drugs would be ineffective due to the organs benefiting from this.

Now on to the speed:

And thenÔöÇÔöÇ


"And so right now, I have released those shackles. Do you know what this means?"


"´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×......!"


Stella hurriedly held up her sword from those words, but...


"Too slow."


"KuhÔöÇÔöÇ"


The speed amp is huge.

About stella weilding having the metabolism and body of a dragon (there are more feats about this, like how she instantly digests food etc), but:

ÒÇîThat's how it is. Stella-chan's original ability is not nature interference, but concept interference. And everyone should also know. The mythical monster with boiling blood circulating its body, and breathing out burning flame. The concept of the story that is passed down as a symbol of fear and violence which could not be resisted anywhere in this world......!ÒÇì


"Don't...tell me......!"


According to Saikyou's words, Ouma, who was forced onto one knee by Stella, thought of the worst possibility as he looked up at her.


And that premonition was spot on.


"Concept interference type ÔöÇÔöÇ Dragon.


The ability to manifest in one's body the power of a predator that lives at the peak of the food chain in the mythological world.


That is mine, Crimson Princess's, Stella Vermillion's true power."


Something like flame was just a portion of her power. It was exactly just a Breath.


Sweltering heat dwelled in her body similar to the mythical monster, allowing her to obtain the raw power of a Dragon.


Manifesting any and all kinds of violence revolved around the concept of Dragon.


That was what the real power was, and the rightful way of utilizing it.


Stella realized it in her battle against Saikyou.


In other words, the dragon that was bound to only using its ÒÇîBreathÒÇì so far had torn away its bindings, and started to wield its full powerÔöÇÔöÇ


The stone plate ring crumbled under Ouma's kick off, and he shortened the distance between the two in just one step.


Ouma has a better body than Stella whose power is to literally be a dragon, which is what most of hunters drugs are used on.
 
tl;dr, Ouma's wind barrier is basically just weighted gear.

Although I can't say I believe that Stella's dragon transformation is near in size to the sort of dragons that the hunter takes down
 
GyroNutz said:
tl;dr, Ouma's wind barrier is basically just weighted gear.
Although I can't say I believe that Stella's dragon transformation is near in size to the sort of dragons that the hunter takes down
Just weight, not weighted gear, it's not actual gear, just wind around him that's heavy.

Stella doesn't transform into a dragon. Her body gains the traits of a dragon (in strength, durability, Regenerationn, metabolism, heat etc), but she still stays in a human form, though in this form she is a human whose biology is that of a dragon.

There is also the speed amp from removing Ouma's wind (Ouma becoming capable of ending the fight in that same moment, there is really not anything Hunter can do vs that kind of speed).
 
Affecting a human with dragon biology with drugs < affecting a dragon with drugs. Like Dargoo said, AP doesn't matter when it comes to drugs, it's mainly about size since there's more body for the drugs to affect.
 
I don't believe the blitz matters as much as you believe. The only thing that must happen after Ouma is nulled is, once again, dropping something.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I don't believe the blitz matters as much as you believe. The only thing that must happen after Ouma is nulled is, once again, dropping something.
In 1 of the things i quotes you can read that Ouma literally closes the distance between stella and himself in a single step and before she could react. And again:

She is a sub-relativistic movement speed girl with relativistic+ combat speed (could fight head on against Ikki Kurogane in Ittou Shura) that was blitzed by that much from Ouma's speed amp.

So again, if that girl couldn't react to Ouma moving, Hunter sure as hell isn't.

Also what's in character for this Hunter guy? We're just making him bloodlusted at this point "he has all equipment necessary like wind proof, he will start with whatever we deem most worthy to beat ouma be it invisibility cloak, bullets, gasses whatever". Character really matters here, otherwise SK just stomps the brackets.
 
GyroNutz said:
What's the AoE of the Hunter's gasses?
The gasses will get blown away from the release of the armor. So basically:

-Before the armor, the gasses are useless.

-After the armor the gasses don't have time to be deployed.
 
That's if the armour is released. If it's null, it doesn't disperse, it just disappears. Poof.

That being said, the speed gap granted by the armour release is overwhelmingly high. Ima drop my vote for now
 
Yes, I did read it, and I don't think you understand the point. Hitting someone that hard makes it seem like they juuust might not hold on to the thing they want to drop anyways.

Also, no, they won't. Again, something something kushala winds don't blow them away.
 
To be clear, even though Gyro has dropped his vote, we still have seven for Hunter and grace has just ended.
 
Yeah, so lets wait for the next round, I guess. Just want to speed things up so we can get into the new brackets.
 
8-B is a cursed tier.
 
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