8-B Brackets Semifinals Part 2

[Firephoenixearl]

Wind as in attacks, not air. Hunter will resist some of ouma's wind attacks from that but his armour is not wind, it's just dense air. That's what I'm saying. It can negate being pushed by wind but that doesn't mean he has the physical strength to push through dense places.

The only way he can do that is by touching ouma which he cannot do. Besides why are we even arguing this. The dude cannot even get close to ouma due to the vacuum waves and he'll die from lack of oxygen.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So I suppose I vote Hunter via negging winds and incapacitation.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah i agree as well. Sorry Earl but Hunter for Bambis reasons. I can follow that logic more than yours.

Though why is hunter allowed tier 6 stuff?

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Its just wind manip negation, not an attack. And if it were literally any other character than Ouma and other wind users, it wouldn't even have mattered.

Hunter FRA

 

[GyroNutz]

Eh, I figured either Dante or Hunter would win the brackets in the end. Hunter FRA

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Hunter FRA I guess.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Guys guys let's not rush to votes here. We just established he can bypass the armour to power null. Now starts the debate it would have been a stomp without that.

1. Ouma will AP crush hunter if he gets close to power null.

2. Ouma can use vacuum blades without wind and it will bypass blocking.

3. Even if all these are bypassed somehow. Ouma stomps after null due to blitz crushing before hunter can realize anything.

All these aside someone should call dargo here. Hunter has tier 6 dura for his weapons, resistance, can resist tier 6 heat, has traps that can trap tier 6 beings. I mean come on that's a lil over tier.

 

[GyroNutz]

He blitzes if he gets rid of the armour, as far as I can tell Hunter's pods simply bypass the armour by piercing through it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

1. Hunter instantly drugs him.

2. Doesn't bypass dodging or being drugged.

3. Speed is equalized?

Hunter's heat doesn't come from a tier 6 creature. And his traps trap tier 6 beings because drugs.

 

[GyroNutz]

Does Hunter have much experience dodging nigh-invisible fast attacks like Ouma's vacuum blades?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1. Swinging will be faster.

2. Depends the blades are fast. Fast enough for sub rel dudes to have trouble reacting.

3. Only with wind, without wind ouma blitzes to hell and back.

Yes but he resists tier 6 heat, wind, durability for weapons, drugs. Ouma had all of that shit restricted.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

1. It really won't when it is just dropping something on the ground.

2. Speed equalized.

3. The OP says speed equalized.

To be clear, Ouma doesn't one-shot.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1. Dropping what?

2. Doesn't equalize speed of nature mate. Only thought and movement speed. Air speed is still faster than sub rel.

3. Yeah but speed with armour, and without speed amps.

He does. His sword negates a ton of dura. Even a casual vacuum wave almost 1 shotted a 98 ton dura girl.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

1. Drugs. Tranq.bombs are activated via dropping them to the ground, at which point they emit a cloud of fas-based sedatives.

2. I have no godly idea where you're pulling this from.

3. The former is a no, the latter is accurate

Astounding, but not every attack does so. Hunter drugs him and he's out.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1. He can just vacuum them outta there.

2. If 2 dudes at sonic speeds go at each other. Does the shotted if light attacks get equalised? No cuz, speed of attacks like that doesn't get equalised. We don't equalize the speed of photons to the speed of humans cus speed equal.

3. Omuas armour removal is a speed amp, that's what I'm trying to say.

Other attacks do far more. The after effect of his blade can 1 slit 98 ton cus dura neg ya think the place where this wind came from its weaker? So again yes ouma will 1 shot be it from a distance or cqc.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Okay so your points are that wind speed is high. That's good, but my point is that Hunter's guns and such are also outspending Ouma in this scenario, as speed is equalized in this scenario. So Ouma's attacks being high doesn't give him an edge.

 

[First_Witch]

We actually do Earl. EVERYTHING that isnt a speed amp gets equalized.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Not even close. Ouma's attacks are superior to sub rel don't even try to bring up the speed is on ouma.

Gases can get negated by vacuum waves.

Bullets can be negged the same way and by magic stuff.

Also physical attacks won't damage ouma. Due to possessing magic blazers have high natural resistance to physical things (I will give the proof later) that on top of his incredibly thick skin and 98 ton dura means literally everything hunter has will fail to do anything to him like not even pierce his skin cus his thick skin gives him unconventional resistance to piercing or slashing for obvious reasons.

All these on top of his speed amp to blitz hunter.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

We actually do Earl. EVERYTHING that isnt a speed amp gets equalized.

Ouma has speed amp but again, if it's specific to attacks it doesn't get equalized to my knowledge. As we just assume 2 characters are equal to avoid blitz not change the physics behind electricity, light etc. We'd need dargo here though.

 

[First_Witch]

First of all, its fiction so you can naturally get light speed lighting somehow.

But yes, those are overrulled by speed equal. Else we are getting dumb discussions like for example:

Character A is human speed with a single light speed attack and Character B is massivly ftl. You either upgrade A and his attacks is worthless or you downgrade B and suddenly you want to argue that a MFTL gets tagged by a light speed attack. Both are stupid problems only caused by speed equal so why bother with them if you can null them altogether.

So yes. Everything is equal

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes but those are usually clarified by the OP (at least that's what I thought), because it becomes just as dumb in reverse. 2 humans dodging lightning based attacks and we being fine with that when we as a site try to find the most logical and likely conclusion and human level people laughing away lightning is not either logical or a likely conclusion. That's why I'm saying it's best to wait for dargo on this.

In the meantime we can argue my earlier post. On how ouma negates gases, bullets and physical attacks from hunter.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Also... these vacuum strikes seem to focus on air manip. That's been nulled. Speed seems to be in contention.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Also... these vacuum strikes seem to focus on air manip. That's been nulled. Speed seems to be in contention.

He can do it via both air manip and actual raw strikes. That's how he filmed stella she struck down 2 waves and went to strike the 3rd to but it completely bypassed her attack cus it wasn't from air manip and everyone was just staring in awe at how it was possible to create that with raw strength. I will paste the light novel scene tomorrow when I'm on my laptop, rn i could only show you on discord as a screenshot.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Right, but this vacuum strike you speak of would require manipulating the air to actually create a vacuum.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Right, but this vacuum strike you speak of would require manipulating the air to actually create a vacuum.

I sent you a screenshot in discord. No it doesn't it's literally done though raw strength. He swings so strong it leaves a vacuum. He doesn't create it with magic.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It doesn't matter if he does it with magic though, as I'm not claiming Hunter negates magic.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It doesn't matter if he does it with magic though, as I'm not claiming Hunter negates magic.

Magic is the wind manip. Or better specialised magic is wind manip. You can't use wind manip but not magic. You can clearly read it:

"Sending a slash wave with just arm strength".

Think of naruto. You can't manipulate the elements without using chakra. Same concept applies to rakudai, but with magic.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Its still wind, source notwithstanding.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Its still wind, source notwithstanding.

It's not though, it's lack of wind. Also hunter nullifies wind manipulation, this won't be nullified cus its not wind manip, it's just ouma never skipping arm day.

what do you mean with the source part though?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Kushala also achieves its effects by pure force though.

I don't think it matters since speed is debunked.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Actually Kush does it both, abilities and pure strength.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Kushala also achieves its effects by pure force though.

I don't think it matters since speed is debunked.

Doesn't really matter, not with the fact that it's vacuum instead of wind. And who is kushala? And to top it all off these blades will take care of gases and 1 shot from a distance but since ouma can just blitz to close the gap it doesn't really matter.

Not really, we're waiting on dargoo to clarify that. Still how does the hunter stand a chance with the speed amp blitz. Also what can he do to ouma?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Kushala Daora

Also Ouma won't remove the armour unless he needs to, correct? Well he won't need to until Hunter nulls him, which he can't without direct contact. Plus, Hunter has piercing rounds, which can pierce through Kushala's winds and even its armour.

The Hunter has so many different ways to take Ouma down, while Ouma can only blitz after taking his armour off.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Without nulling Ouma, Ouma omega stomps with all his stuff though. Vacuum blades, no oxygen, gasses, sleeping darts etc they are all useless. Also bullets cannot pierce Ouma due to his high resistance to physical attacks from being a blazer on top of his already stupid durability and thick skin.

Ouma can blitz, 1 shot, tank everything hunter etc. So basically:

Ouma outclasses in:

Ap, Durability, Speed, Strength, skill

Hunter outclasses in:

Range and arsenal (most of which is absolutely negged by Ouma's layers of durability and resistance)

 

[Firephoenixearl]

About the light novel scenes i was saying here is Ouma's physical vacuum blade:

He sent a flurry of vacuum blades towards Stella who escaped the contact range.


Slashes of vacuum flew with a speed that surpassed rifle bullets.


It was impossible to visually catch sight of those.


However, it was a battle between two Blazers.


Stella read the presence of magic power like that of a blazing sun wrapped around the vacuum blades, and struck them down one by one.


However...


"ÔöÇÔöÇKa...fu!?"


Immediately after striking down the last vacuum blade.


Stella's abdomen tore open horizontally, blood sprayed out.


Why? Stella was confused as there wasn't any presence of magic power.


However, it was only natural.


Just then was ÔöÇÔöÇ an effect without using magic power.


"I can't believe it. To be able to send a slash wave with just arm strength......!"


Touka murmured with a trembled voice while watching the match in the audience seat.


That's right. What slashed open Stella's abdomen was not a Noble Art.


It was a physical wind pressure raised by Ouma swinging his Ryuuzume.

And here is the blazers having high resistance to physical attacks due to being blazers.

Due to the magic power wrapped around Blazers which added strong resistance towards physical impact, the damage on Stella's abdomen was only skin-deep without reaching the internal organs

Here is Ouma's wind barrier physically hurting Stella.

Then Stella devised a tactic from that variety and brilliantly got behind Ouma...


"HAaAaa!"


Slashed diagonally down at the defenseless Ouma.


Right after that...


"N-Not good!"


At the same time Touka's shout echoed, red drops sprayed onto the ring like a blooming red flower.


The owner of the blood that splashed the ring was...ÔöÇÔöÇStella who slashed diagonally down.


ÒÇîContender Stella is injured! Sword Emperor of Wind has finally captured Crimson Princess with his sword! Blood is spraying out from the two arms of Contender Stella! The opening hit belongs to Contender Sword Emperor of Wind, Ouma Kuroganeee!ÒÇì

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Ouma has no resistance, and is getting nulled.

 

[GyroNutz]

Hunter can't null the vacuum blades if they're not from air manip.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Temopral Mantle dodges.

 

[First_Witch]

This thread is still going on

 

[GyroNutz]

How is that a surprise compared to every one of Kai's matches in this tourney