( 0 - 0 - 10) - Ainz Ooal Gown vs Rohan Kishibe REMATCH

[Culexus_Assassin]

So I'm doing a rematch on this for several reasons. The last match used Rohan's DiU version which had point-based hax, against someone with a bunch of thought-based stuff, it is a very bad idea. And even though Ainz doesn't resist transmutation, he resist mindhax, which makes Rohan's chances of winning almost nonexistent.

Ainz Ooal Gow vs Rohan Kishibe

TSKR Rohan is used, speed equalized, distance is 25 meters and location is an open field

Rohan knows that commands won't work on Ainz, and Ainz knows about Rohan's transmutation

Ainz:

Rohan:

Inconclusive: 10 [FDrybob, ExSENNA, Chariot190, Kayra, GoCommitDi, Moritzva, Tonygameman, Milly Rocky Bandit, Anonymous Blank, JooCipher]

 

[FDrybob]

I'm going to have to vote inconclusive here. Whoever thinks first wins.

 

[ExSENNA]

Both have thought based stuff

Voting inconclusive. Who thinks first wins, so a boring incon

 

[Chariot190]

Inconclusive. Literally a who thinks first.

 

[ExSENNA]

Inconclusive FRA.

 

[Ionliosite]

Does Ainz use his though based stuff first?

 

[GoCommitDi]

Thunder McQueen sweeps up FRA

 

[Ionliosite]

Does Ainz use his though based stuff first?

^^

 

[FDrybob]

In an unknown and dangerous situation he always will.

 

[Chariot190]

In an unknown and dangerous situation he always will.

To be fair, Rohan doesnt exactly seem dangerous.

 

[Moritzva]

Literally nothing changes from the first match except a very slight shift from a Loss for Rohan to an Inconclusive.

I barely even know if this is allowed, but Incon FRA.

 

[Tonygameman]

Inconclusive for reasons above.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Incon FRA.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Incon FRA

 

[Ionliosite]

In an unknown and dangerous situation he always will.

How is facing a mangaka with a weird sense of fassion in Central Park a "dangerous situation"?

 

[GoCommitDi]

I mean, SBA makes it so that characters know theyre in a fight

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, but how will knowing he's in fight make Ainz think he's in danger? As far as he knows, he can dish Rohan just like the fodder he fights on his verse.

 

[Culexus_Assassin]

Afaik Ainz is a cautious person. Specially against opponents with unknown abilities. He's only relax when he knows his opponent can't do anything to him

 

[Chariot190]

I mean, to be fair, Rohan looks like a normal dude decked out with gucci and gucci accesories.

Ainz may be cautious but that doesnt mean instantly go for the kill the exact moment the match begins on what looks to be a normal dude.

 

[JooCipher]

highway to hell FRA

 

[Apeironaxim]

playing YGGDRASIL, Ainz would have encountered enemies as non-threatening as Aura and Mare on a regular basis, appearance doesn't matter

 

[Culexus_Assassin]

The point here is that Rohan is an unknown guy, and Ainz is aware that he is in a battle. He knows nothing about this guy I doubt he will risk himself with not going timestop or deathhax. I can give Ainz limited intel if that makes it fair I gave Rohan limited intel

 

[Apeironaxim]

also, humans were the main threat to players like Ainz in YGGDRASIL

Ainz is very familiar with deceiving looks, hell, it was an MMO that had maid outfits as strong as high class badass looking armor

 

[Culexus_Assassin]

Just in case I gave intel on transmutation to Ainz, so now it' 100% he'll immediately use his hax

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

it's likely that Ainz resists transmutation but because he has no showings of it this is incon.

and Ainz goes for thought based insta kills even on people he is pretty aware that they can't do shit to him (in volume 12 or 13)

 

[Chariot190]

>Ainz goes for thought based insta kills even on people he is pretty aware that they can't do shit to him

Consistently? Or is it a one or two time thing out of a much larger pool of him not doing that?

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

well he did it 2 times which is relatively often for ainz and if he doesn't do instant death then he leads with time stop and if he knows about that transmutation stuff then he is even more likely to use these

 

[Chariot190]

2 times being often? I'm like 90% sure I've see several times that amount where he didnt.

tbh I've seen quite a few times where Ainz just gonna stands there and flexes his intimidation factor. Him knowing about transmutation may skew it to where he does do something but if he didnt have that intel I'd have a few doubts on that.

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

well he did it 2 times even though he knew they can't do anything to him.

if he doesn't know about his opponent or in this case knows that they can beat him he is pretty likely going to use either thought based time stop or instant death

 

[Chariot190]

>well he did it 2 times even though he knew they can't do anything to him.

Yeah 2 times out many more. Meaning statistically, it aint something he does that often.

>if he doesn't know about his opponent or in this case knows that they can beat him he is pretty likely going to use either thought based time stop or instant death

If he doesnt know about his opponent and they dont seem like a threat then see above, he often doesnt do that. If he knows they can beat him maybe, but he doesnt, they just know he can transmutate, has Ainz ever fought a transmutater before? How he did he lead?

 

[RulerOfTheAbyss]

ugghhh... you're trying quite hard here lol.

the two times he started with death magic that I meant weren't the only times he did it they were just an example that he would even do it when he knows the opponent can't do shit to him.

Ainz didn't even fight all that often so 2 times insta death is still not a small part and the author stated that it's very in character for ainz to just start the fight with death magic or time magic.

and no he did not fight a transmuter before (he might have in yggdrasil but we don't know that) but that doesn't mean he would lower his guard just because he wasn't in the exact same situation before that's a dumb reason.

the description of the threat says he knows about the transmutation and that implies that he knows that it can end the fight or atleast affect him and that means he will be cautious.

also even in the extremely unlikely event that Ainz won't start with death or time stop (which is so unlikely in this situation that it might aswell be dismissed)... all his other spells can be casted thought based aswell and even if Ainz used fire ball (or some other basic offensive spell) and rohan didn't instantly die and got his transmutation off he would still get hit by the spell and die to the AP difference

also does Rohans Transmutation even stop Ainz from thinking ? if not then couldn't he just cast another spell while he is affected by the stand ?

 

[ExSENNA]

TSKR Rohan's transmutation incaps completely turns into a book

Both have intel both will lead with thought based stuff

No way both characters can use their hax at the exact same time. one of them is gonna faster even by a planck time. That's why this is "who thinks first wins" thus an incon.

 

[Moritzva]

>Ainz goes for thought based insta kills even on people he is pretty aware that they can't do shit to him

Consistently? Or is it a one or two time thing out of a much larger pool of him not doing that?

Yes.

Consistently.

 

[Chariot190]

>ugghhh... you're trying quite hard here lol.

I didnt know trying to deduce what a character would do in character is trying hard. Hell guess asking questions falls inder trying to hard now.

> Rohans Transmutation even stop Ainz from thinking

If Rohan chooses for it to yes, which he does in every instance I can think with one major exception (Koichi, in which he willingly allowed Koichi to stay conscious to lure Josuke into a trap and have Koichi explaing the situation).

>Yes.Consistently.

Is two times really that consistent? Given Ainz has been in much more fights than that within his source material.

>rohan didn't instantly die and got his transmutation off he would still get hit by the spell and die to the AP difference

TSRK Rohan can actually transmute objects and non-organic or non-living things, Rohan can likely transmute a good number of attacks, idk about fire though due to it being a non-cohesive attack.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Ainz is going to start off with a death spell, it's his main focus of his build. As well as his fav spell being a death one

 

[Chariot190]

Can I get like, more than two examples? The only reason why I'm even having any doubts is because only two examples were stated to have happened. Like idk about you but if that's the examples one can think of when I know damn well he's been in more than a small handful of fights then Im gonna have doubts, even if he likes it.

 

[Apeironaxim]

afaik, the one serious fight he was in was someone he knew everything about, Shalltear

every other "fight" has him also with prior knowledge that they literally can't do anything to him

his first encounter in the New World, where he assumed random basic knights would be like lvl 200, was to use a death spell, Grasp Heart

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

When he took Gazef seriously his opener was time stop and a death spell. Dunno if that's been mentioned.

 

[Apeironaxim]

yes, his fight with Gazef, which he was treating as a PvP match, aka, a serious encounter, he did open with Time Stop and a death spell

 

[Chariot190]

Eh, I'll give it the benefit of doubt then because of his knowledge on Rohan in this match. Otherwise I'd assume he'd of treated Rohan like a random fodder knight just with a odd fashion sense.