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It does say that he absorbed enough power to renew his flesh which is what allows him to live beyond human life spans leading me to belive that he gained his master's physical power too.
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6-B upgrade for the Ascended and characters who scale to them.
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"Unknown to all but Vladimir himself, it was he who struck the killing blow. Scarred, blinded, driven mad by the radiance of a darkin's undoing, he absorbed enough power to renew flesh that was never meant to last beyond a mortal lifespan."
This alone is proof that it wasnt done via hax my guy
This alone is proof that it wasnt done via hax my guy
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Given that not much is explained, as there are zero feats for him apart from a killing blow on a Darkin, it is difficult to claim that everything dhould scale simply because he has the same powers or he just absorbed more power.
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I mean I thought renewing flesh to be beyond a human's was obvious enough.
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That proves nothing. I can easily and more reasonably claim that he used magic to strike the Darkin.WeeklyBattles said:
And renewing flesh =/= suddenly tanking 6-B attacks. He has no real feats and his one feat is frustratingly vague.
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@Regis What is it with you and thinking that if a character doesnt deal their AP with every single action they make that means that their feats are invalid?
Powers that are absorbed from one person by another person are automatically applied to all applicable stats unless it is explicitly shown otherwise. You would need to prove than he DOESNT scale physically, not the other way around.
Powers that are absorbed from one person by another person are automatically applied to all applicable stats unless it is explicitly shown otherwise. You would need to prove than he DOESNT scale physically, not the other way around.
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renewing flesh with a High 6-B's body and with a direct statement telling you it allows him to live beyond a mortal's life span makes me think that he got on par with a Darkin in durability regardless of tier.
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I am not in the habit of assuming everything scales unless actually proven to be the case. Like Ornn for example has good feats for his rating that are easily applicable to his stats, which is why he should be upgraded. Vlad has one feat, that is annoyingly vague and his other story doesn't elaborate much on it, which is why I can't accept everything scaling because he has nothing to support it beyond assumptions.
This is on you to prove that your assumption is correct and valid.
This is on you to prove that your assumption is correct and valid.
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It really is not that vague.
He struck his master = He attacked him and hurt him therefore High 6-B in at least magic if not more, normally this is enough but it goes even further.
He absorbed his blood and even further states that he renew his body to live beyond mortal years = He gained his master's abilities and body meaning his physicals went up.
He struck his master = He attacked him and hurt him therefore High 6-B in at least magic if not more, normally this is enough but it goes even further.
He absorbed his blood and even further states that he renew his body to live beyond mortal years = He gained his master's abilities and body meaning his physicals went up.
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Imo, isn't that second part just saying his body will last longer than a regular lifespan. Vague quote, does this guy have anything else feat/statment wise?
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Absorbing the powers of someone who is High 6-B physically makes you High 6-B physically unless stated or shown otherwise
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It would be if it did not say that he renewed his body, essentially gained a new one.StrongClick said:
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It doesn't, since this is just your unproven assumption and not shown in the text.WeeklyBattles said:
His AP/hax with magic can scale, but the rest is quite vague as he is only renewing his own flesh, which he has to repeat over and over again going by his short story.
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Renewing is like modifying/changing what you have not gaining something entirely new. But w/e just vague to me tbh.Rocker1189 said:
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We can just go with 7-C, possibly High 6-B(absorbed the body of a Darkin) for his physicals. This is too tiring.
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@Rocker I can agree to that
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Modifying /changing can literally mean an upgrade. And renewing basically means entirely new so you are wrong there.StrongClick said:
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This is what it says about Vlad renewing flesh:
Where the painting in the vestibule was that of a young man in his prime, these were a mixture of the same individual, but at very different times in his life.
One showed him in his middle years, still fit and hearty, but with a bitter cast to his eyes. Another was a portrait of a man so aged and ravaged that Maura wasn't even sure it had been painted while its subject was alive. Yet another depicted him bloodily wounded in the aftermath of a great battle before a titanic statue of ivory stone.
"How can these all be you?" she asked.
The answer drifted down in the veils of red light.
"I do not live as you do. The gift carried in my former master's blood changed me forever. I thought you understood that?"
"I do. I mean, I think I do."
"The paintings around you are moments of my many lives. Not all great moments, I have come to realize, and captured by journeymen for the most part. In the earliest days of my existence I was arrogant enough to believe my every deed was worthy of such commemoration, but now…"
Given that we know Darkins don't need to do this, it's clear that he doesn't have all the perks of a Darkin. He even admits this earlier.
"My master's kind had the power to defy death—to sculpt flesh, blood, and bone into the most wondrous forms," continued Vladimir. "He taught me something of their arts, magic he wielded as easily as breathing. But it took every scrap of my intellect and will to master even the simplest of cantrips. I was later to learn that teaching their secrets to mortals was forbidden under pain of death, but my master delighted in flaunting the mores of his kind."
Vladimir's sourceless laughter echoed around her, yet there was no mirth to the sound.
"He couldn't help challenging convention, and in the end, it was his undoing."
"He died?" she asked.
"Yes. When one of his kind betrayed them, their power over this world was broken. My master's enemies united against him, and he looked to me to lead his armies in his defense. Instead, I killed him and drank in a measure of his power, for I had not forgotten the many cruelties he had inflicted upon me over the years. Taking his life was my first step on a road far longer than I ever could have imagined. A boon and a curse in one bloody gift."
Where the painting in the vestibule was that of a young man in his prime, these were a mixture of the same individual, but at very different times in his life.
One showed him in his middle years, still fit and hearty, but with a bitter cast to his eyes. Another was a portrait of a man so aged and ravaged that Maura wasn't even sure it had been painted while its subject was alive. Yet another depicted him bloodily wounded in the aftermath of a great battle before a titanic statue of ivory stone.
"How can these all be you?" she asked.
The answer drifted down in the veils of red light.
"I do not live as you do. The gift carried in my former master's blood changed me forever. I thought you understood that?"
"I do. I mean, I think I do."
"The paintings around you are moments of my many lives. Not all great moments, I have come to realize, and captured by journeymen for the most part. In the earliest days of my existence I was arrogant enough to believe my every deed was worthy of such commemoration, but now…"
Given that we know Darkins don't need to do this, it's clear that he doesn't have all the perks of a Darkin. He even admits this earlier.
"My master's kind had the power to defy death—to sculpt flesh, blood, and bone into the most wondrous forms," continued Vladimir. "He taught me something of their arts, magic he wielded as easily as breathing. But it took every scrap of my intellect and will to master even the simplest of cantrips. I was later to learn that teaching their secrets to mortals was forbidden under pain of death, but my master delighted in flaunting the mores of his kind."
Vladimir's sourceless laughter echoed around her, yet there was no mirth to the sound.
"He couldn't help challenging convention, and in the end, it was his undoing."
"He died?" she asked.
"Yes. When one of his kind betrayed them, their power over this world was broken. My master's enemies united against him, and he looked to me to lead his armies in his defense. Instead, I killed him and drank in a measure of his power, for I had not forgotten the many cruelties he had inflicted upon me over the years. Taking his life was my first step on a road far longer than I ever could have imagined. A boon and a curse in one bloody gift."
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In this case it would be the lifespan thing which is stated.
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Instead, I killed him and drank in a measure of his power .
Just saying.
Just saying.
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@Regis He literally says he killed him and stole his power
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Given that we know Darkins don't need to do this, it's clear that he doesn't have all the perks of a Darkin. He even admits this earlier.
Actually the Darkin do need to do this. That is why they have to keep switching bodies.
Actually the Darkin do need to do this. That is why they have to keep switching bodies.
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@Rocker Vlad's master was actually stated to not have been sealed in a weapon as Vlad killed him before the Targonians sealed the Darkin
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Drank in a measure =/= absorbing his full power and gaining all the upgrades, especially when he still ages unlike a Darkin. Only his magic and hax should scale, the rest shouldn't as there isn't evidence to suggest otherwise.
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@Regis Prove it doesnt. If youre so sure of it it should be easy.
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He absorbed enough power to increase his bodies lifespan is what i'm getting from that quote. However im good with Rockers proposal
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Ok people for the proposal: Me, StrongClick, Weekly
People against: Regis
Actually Regis has not said yet.
People against: Regis
Actually Regis has not said yet.
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"The fall of these cruel tyrants is, likewise, the stuff of legend. An account of it, written in the dead High Shuriman language, is kept hidden within the Immortal Bastion. It speculates that Vladimir's master was not imprisoned like so many of his kin, but instead died at the hands of his own warhost. The few surviving mortals fled, taking what knowledge they had of blood magic with them. "
The Darkin Vlad killed wasnt sealed, he killed him before he was sealed
The Darkin Vlad killed wasnt sealed, he killed him before he was sealed
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I am fine only if it applies to his AP. Weekly has only given his assumptions for why the durability should scale which is contradicted by Vlad admitting he didn't fully absorb all off the power.Rocker1189 said:
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@Weekly Huh, well that is new lol.
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I meant for the 7-C, possibly High 6-B in physicals.
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@Regis You have yet to give any evidence as to why it shouldnt scale to physicals. Until you do he will be scaled physically.
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Not for his durability, only for his magic is better. Nothing indicates that Vlad is now fully equal to a Darkin given that he didn't fully absorb all of its power.Rocker1189 said:
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Prove it
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You have yet to prove why it should scale either. Assumptions aren't evidence, and Vlad himself admitting to a partial absorbtion and having to continually renew his own flesh unlike his former master would indicate that no, he doesn't have the physicals.WeeklyBattles said:
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Dude 3 people are fine with it... for the reasons we have stated above, I think it is an ok compromise with the info we have.
Actually that suggests that he does but his body cant handle it.
Actually that suggests that he does but his body cant handle it.
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Rich coming from the guy with no proof.WeeklyBattles said:
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I have given proof, ive given you quotes that support it, you have yet to give any evidence that proves it doesnt scale to physicals
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His body being unable to handle 6-B power when every other 6-B can easily would suggest that his body isn't 6-B.
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@Regis And yet youre against Trynd and Jax scaling even though Aatrox said their bodies CAN handle the power
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