League Of Legends Tier 1 Upgrade!

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I'm not really sure about this I couldn't look at how this is expressed since imgurlar doesn't work
But I really don't think these will be enough. Mortals' limited time perception cannot perceive time in the celestial realm and that's why they may call it timeless but this doesn't directly give us a higher level of time
There are reasons such as time passing very fast or very slow, limited time perceptions cannot perceive and express this time. The context here needs to be supported and explained, which I still don't think is enough

Whether or not you trust or believe me, I'm not sure, but this dimension's transcendence is so far beyond that it cannot interact with infinite realities with a 2A structure. That's why they create a being in a lower dimension. This realm has to be truly more transcendent than the universe itself, and it already exists in a higher dimension than the entire cosmos.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

You are stating that it is a higher dimension of time, AKA a hypertimeline

I admit my ignorance on this topic, but let me try to explain myself:


What I’m referring to is a higher dimension of time, but the key additional context is this:


Being so high-dimensional that it cannot interact with 2A structures, I believe this makes it at least Low 1-C.

The Celestial Realm and its beings (the Celestials) cannot interact with Runeterra and the universe because they exist in a higher dimension. Therefore, they are content with only observing. In order to interact with others, they have created physical manifestations of themselves.

 

[Firestorm808]

Being so high-dimensional that it cannot interact with 2A structures, I believe this makes it at least Low 1-C.

That alone is not enough justification.

Per our FAQ:

Higher-dimensional entities can also qualify for higher tiers when the verse which they are from explicitly defines them as being infinitely above lower-dimensional ones in power and/or existential status. An example of this being verses such as Umineko no Naku Koro ni. However, lower-dimensional beings being stated to be "flat" in comparison to higher-dimensional beings is not necessarily grounds for assuming the latter has infinitely more power (For reasons outlined in the answer above), and thus, such scenarios must also be analyzed case-by-case.

Do we have any examples of this type of existential difference?

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Do we have any examples of this type of existential difference?

A.sol and Zoe state that they see all infinite realities from a finite perspective and perceive them as low as normal realities.

And since Zoe is currently able to influence the entire cosmos, she has been given a 5D range in her profile.

Zoe (League of Legends)

Tier: 4-B | 4-B Name: Zoe, The Aspect of Twilight, The Everchild Origin: League of Legends Gender: Female Age: 12 physically, At least several thousand years old, likely much older chronologically (Has lived to see the end of at least several universes) | 12 physically, Unknown chronologically...

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[Mr. Bambu]

Humans cannot comprehend the time mechanics of the 'Celestial Realm,' which operates on a higher level than the existing time in Runeterra. For the Celestial Realm, it is 'timeless,' beyond the imagination of mortals. This means that the time operating in the Celestial Realm is beyond normal time, and it points out that mortals (humans) are creations too limited to understand this,That's why it is called 'timeless' for the Celestial Realm.' Already, the fact that it operates beyond human imagination implies a higher level of time.

This isn't what the scans say. They describe the place and the culture from it as "ancient on a scale beyond mortal reckoning", not "beyond normal time"- this turn of phrase would more accurately be described as meaning "older than anyone can imagine". If anything, the scans seem to indicate they do operate on a timescale along with everyone else, referencing their actions in the past. "Timeless" in this case can simply mean "immortal" or, to use the phrase in the book, "eternal", not literally harkening to a "transcendent timeline" or whatever. Alternatively (you don't provide evidence for this claim later on, this bit presumes it is true- I don't think it matters either way), if time doesn't flow there, then... this is also a valid thing to reference for "Timeless". We don't use timeless voids to indicate tiershit, though.

Point is, this realm has no indication in this evidence of being Low 1-C, or indeed even any sort of higher end cosmological thing. It's just some place where the creatures have lived longer than any other, and may well be devoid of time.

Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon’s control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension. Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects.

"Zoe transcended and fiddled with realities humans would not understand. Time has not affected her in the same way."

This is all it says. "Realities" is enough to argue a probable cosmology of many universes, but my impression is that this is the status quo, so.

"Taric was horrified in the face of infinite fate and reality'' this is only a fraction of the realities observed by the Celestial Realm, but since the Celestial Realm contains and can display them, it must at least be a 2A structure.

This scan needs greater context. It does refer to "infinite fates" and so on. But it also refers to these as "illusion"- these aren't literal realities he's experiencing, these are visions being forced upon him as a trial. It would need substantial additions of context to make it valid for 2-A.

They witnessed the moment of creation of the universe where all of time converged, the moment where the Crisis Time exists.

Not really Tier 1 evidence, but neat.

The Celestial Realm and its beings (the Celestials) cannot interact with Runeterra and the universe because they exist in a higher dimension. Therefore, they are content with only observing. In order to interact with others, they have created physical manifestations of themselves.

Also not relevant evidence, but also neat.

Conclusion for Celestial Realm:
If we calculate a temporal dimension that encompasses infinite realities and operates in a higher dimension, it would be at least infinite 5D (Low 1-C), but even if we reject the transcendence of time, it is still necessary to take at least 2A from the infinite realities.

If this is all, I would disagree with the upgrade outright. The Tier 1 statements are either blatantly not relevant (see last two) or require an immense amount of creative interpretation to be made usable. The 2-A statement is just directly contradictory, and if this is a misrepresentation, then further evidence must be brought up. As it stands, none of this suggests anything more than probably 2-C (I recognize the verse is above this already).

They have the capacity to destroy all of existence: 'No one devours all of existence on my watch!' This should not be interpreted as a singularity because it also includes Ezreal, who is from another reality, and thus they are powerful enough to destroy all of existence. This also includes the Celestial Realm, which is why it can easily scale to the Low 1-C tier.

We've been over this one. "All existence" can easily refer to Low 2-C. Hell, it could even be as low as 3-A.

Rhaast states that he can destroy all of reality.

See above. "All reality" is too vague a statement and can easily be interpreted lower. As I disagree with the Low 1-C justifications, it wouldn't even reach that under the highest possible interpretation.

Thresh states that he can consume all of space-time-reality.

Now here's a strictly at-minimum Low 2-C feat. However, I note he is already Low 2-C, looking at it, so nothing need change from this.

 

[Firestorm808]

A.sol and Zoe state that they see all infinite realities from a finite perspective and perceive them as low as normal realities.

And since Zoe is currently able to influence the entire cosmos, she has been given a 5D range in her profile.

Zoe (League of Legends)

Tier: 4-B | 4-B Name: Zoe, The Aspect of Twilight, The Everchild Origin: League of Legends Gender: Female Age: 12 physically, At least several thousand years old, likely much older chronologically (Has lived to see the end of at least several universes) | 12 physically, Unknown chronologically...

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"Able to erase the true forms of Celestials, who exist conceptually on a 5-Dimensional scale"

Where does the 5D statement come from?

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

We've been over this one. "All existence" can easily refer to Low 2-C. Hell, it could even be as low as 3-A.

First of all, your comment on this topic is truly valuable to me, and just the fact that you've come here is wonderful; I sincerely thank you in advance.

The topic is this: the 'All Existence' achievement is not just a singularity here, it encompasses the entire cosmos and existence, including Ezreal's universe. At the very least, they must be dangerous enough to accomplish this, and if you accept the 2A argument, I believe I can take your vote as 'yes' for elevating cosmology to 2A.

This scan needs greater context. It does refer to "infinite fates" and so on. But it also refers to these as "illusion"- these aren't literal realities he's experiencing, these are visions being forced upon him as a trial. It would need substantial additions of context to make it valid for 2-A.

I need to add something to help clarify your vote. This is more of an infinite reality that emerged across all of Targon, rather than an illusion. Expressions like the 'countless realities' of Rhaast, which I showed you before, and similar phrases support this. It saw the infinite realities and destinies in the cosmos, and it was shown to them by Targon. So, because they saw the entire cosmos so clearly, their horror comes from that it's not an illusion.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Where does the 5D statement come from?

It comes from being on a higher dimension than the infinite realities.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

First of all, your comment on this topic is truly valuable to me, and just the fact that you've come here is wonderful; I sincerely thank you in advance.

The topic is this: the 'All Existence' achievement is not just a singularity here, it encompasses the entire cosmos and existence, including Ezreal's universe. At the very least, they must be dangerous enough to accomplish this, and if you accept the 2A argument, I believe I can take your vote as 'yes' for elevating cosmology to 2A.

I need to add something to help clarify your vote. This is more of an infinite reality that emerged across all of Targon, rather than an illusion. Expressions like the 'countless realities' of Rhaast, which I showed you before, and similar phrases support this. It saw the infinite realities and destinies in the cosmos, and it was shown to them by Targon. So, because they saw the entire cosmos so clearly, their horror comes from that it's not an illusion.

The impetus is on you to prove this is the absolute definition of "all reality", though. I also don't accept the 2-A argument as it stands, I laid out why in my comment. I'm not certain you understood what I typed up, as a result of you saying you're taking it as an approval of 2-A, given I explicitly argue against that.

If you can provide more concrete evidence of those realities experienced being real, rather than the illusions they are referred to as being, then I may pivot. Purely from the OP, this is not acceptable.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

The impetus is on you to prove this is the absolute definition of "all reality", though. I also don't accept the 2-A argument as it stands, I laid out why in my comment. I'm not certain you understood what I typed up, as a result of you saying you're taking it as an approval of 2-A, given I explicitly argue against that

I need to blame both myself and ChatGPT for this, I'm bad at these kinds of topics,sorry for this.

If you can provide more concrete evidence of those realities experienced being real, rather than the illusions they are referred to as being, then I may pivot. Purely from the OP, this is not acceptable.

Sure

At least I think it's more organized and structured here. You can take a look at the ideas for elevating cosmology to 2A, or at least consider the thoughts from here.

The Celestial Realm

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[Firestorm808]

It comes from being on a higher dimension than the infinite realities.

Can you link the thread where this was accepted?

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Can you link the thread where this was accepted?

As you wish,I'm not sure if there's an acceptance process, but it was discussed here.

League of Legends: Void and Zoe Upgrades:

=Introduction= I realized that some LoL pages were lacking certain abilities and such, so i will be trying my best to add them today. Zoe While i was looking at the Zoe page, i noticed that some important aspects of her Powers were left behind. Let's begin...

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[Firestorm808]

As you wish,I'm not sure if there's an acceptance process, but it was discussed here.

League of Legends: Void and Zoe Upgrades:

=Introduction= I realized that some LoL pages were lacking certain abilities and such, so i will be trying my best to add them today. Zoe While i was looking at the Zoe page, i noticed that some important aspects of her Powers were left behind. Let's begin...

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I don't see anything regarding 5D or Low Complex Range.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I don't see anything regarding 5D or Low Complex Range.

Look at Void's EE hax, it was discussed there.

4. Void Existence Erasure: Support. The context of this shows how this isn't just flowerly language from killing or destroying, but outright existence erasure. Saying how this fate is far worse than death and than mentioning the stopping of existence proves this for me.

If you think it's incomplete, you can review the block I sent and share your thoughts!

The Celestial Realm

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[Mr. Bambu]

I want to note that Weekly's arguments on League of Legends have been plied, tried, and rejected for literally years. I am only vaguely familiar with the verse, but I am aware that for a very long time, Weekly tried to upgrade the verse, and it was rejected repeatedly. I do not know for certain that this blog was used to that end, although I can be reasonably confident that bits of it were. As such, I will go over it, but I do so with the understanding that the end result was most probably rejected in the past, and thus isn't applicable here. I go over it on the low chance that it wasn't.

Now then.

The Celestial Realm is beyond time​

The Celestial Realm is timeless

Bard Bard has turned the ancient art of song into a reality-altering weapon of death. Unfortunately his turns take forever, since he has no concept of linear time

Dark Stars viewing time not as a linear thing, but rather as an outmoded tool of measurement for living organisms that must be destroyed.

• Dark Stars are entities that are on the level of Celestials and the Void in scope

First scan is in the OP, second scan just doesn't actually have anything meaningful in it (except that the character doesn't experience time linearly, which isn't actually that helpful), third scan is dead.

So, immediately, the Celestial Realm is not beyond time. At least, this blog does nothing to help prove it is.

Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon’s control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension. Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects.

• "Thanks for asking! I like butterflies, unicorns, and watching the end of finite realities!"

Cebotaru, you and I rode dragons of twilight to the piercing summit of the world, where all time is as one, and witnessed the creation of the universe.

As he approached the summit, Taric was challenged by a seemingly neverending myriad of conflicting realities, each warped existence offering a new, horrifying vision. Taric experienced the infinite fates that could befall those who had no one to protect them in their times of crisis...Before him, cut from the sackcloth of night itself, stood something wearing the shape of a man. Its features composed from the pinpoints of stars, Taric was struck by the odd familiarity of its nature. Its voice spoke in a thousand whispers that cut through Taric like a mountain wind. Though he heard no recognizable words, he understood the figure’s intent with utter clarity.

An age ago, when time itself was young, the inhabitants of the celestial realm regarded the fledgling races of Runeterra with growing concern. These creatures deviated wildly, unpredictably, and dangerously from the great designs intended for them by those above. The guidance and fates that had been woven into the night sky often went unseen—or worse, were misinterpreted by their simple mortal minds, leading to chaos, uncertainty, and suffering.

First scan, already talked about.

Second scan doesn't prove anything higher than 2-C. A finite amount of realities ended.

Third scan is dead.

Fourth scan has already been evaluated in this CRT. Notably does not include the bit referencing the whole thing as an "illusion" rather than a literal infinite realities he was being hurled through. Scan link is also dead, but isn't relevant since... we already covered it.

Fifth scan is dead.

So, the only actual reference to the multiverse as "finite" here, does not refer to the bulk of the multiverse (and if it did, that would seemingly just be evidence contrary to 2-A?). It seems to be referring to a selection of realities a character saw get destroyed. Does not seem to support Weekly's interpretation of it, although I must acknowledge that the dead scans may have been relevant since most of them are dead.

Celestials need to create/possess forms specifically to interact with the 3-D universe​

Bard is a magical entity that has created a corporeal form in order to interact with the physical world.

No longer able to merely watch, one celestial being chose to descend to the mortal realm, determined to untangle the knots in the tapestry of the world. This child of the stars took on a form of flesh and blood, and though the powerful magic coursing through her veins burned this new body from the inside out, she knew her suffering meant little if she could help to heal all that was broken and incomplete.

I don't contend this, although it doesn't really seem to imply what Weekly wants to interpret it as. There are countless characters in fiction who must generate an avatar in order to interface with standard reality, and while some of these characters do so because they are Low 2-C or higher or whatever, many do so for other reasons, too. The addition of "3-D universe" is meant to sway this towards interpreting it from the perspective of transcendence, when this is not fundamentally the case.

The fight between the void and the celestials has destroyed and unmade entire worlds/realities and if not for the celestials the main reality too​

The essence within Diana surged. It filled her thoughts with undying hatred from a distant epoch. She glimpsed ancient battles so terrible that entire worlds had been lost in the fires of their waging; a war that had almost unmade this very world and still might.

"Worlds" is not definitively referring to "universes"- much like the "infinite realities" statement, this would require further context. It doesn't matter, though, since the verse is already accepted as having Tier 2 stuff. Unless the characters waging this war are not currently Tier 2? It's worth noting, again, that this and other scans are defunct, and thus cannot be properly evaluated at this time. I can only really guess based on what Weekly posted, although given the exclusion of the "illusion" bit earlier, I am inclined to treat these with a measure of skepticism.

Miscellaneous​

Bard travels through realms beyond the imagination of mortal beings. Some of Valoran's greatest scholars have spent their lives trying to understand the mysteries he embodies. This enigmatic spirit has been given many names throughout the history of Valoran, but titles such as Cosmic Vagabond and Great Caretaker only capture a fleeting aspect of his true purpose. When the unknowable structure of the universe is threatened, Bard steers all existence away from utter annihilation.

Bard works across multiple dimensions

Bard is multi-dimensional

Bard traverses all planes that can intersect with Runeterra, so he is certainly linked to that degree, but he's not restricted only to Soraka's plane of origin. Runeterran magic has many different aspects, origins, and foci. Bard exists and journeys across many realms and planes.

Bard moves between dimensions like you or I move between rooms of our house, there are few places that Bard hasn't visited.

The green ball that sits in Bard's horn is a harmonic key that splits layers of reality and taps directly into the magical friction that all worlds emit.

I am reminded that these scans aren't dead, but rather ****** up in their posting: "static" must be replaced by "vignette". People don't learn...

First one doesn't contain any evidence beyond Tier 2 (and indeed, not even high into it).

Second one is seemingly not in-universe? Context unclear, these scans are carefully cropped so I can't really work with it. Don't think it matters since "dimensions" in this case seems to refer to "universes".

Third one also seems to be not in-universe knowledge, this seems to be someone talking about the game? Perhaps an interview? Why is this included? Multi-dimensional in this scan seems to refer to the complexity of his character, not literally physically multi-dimensional, this seems staggeringly dishonest.

Fourth one is a forum reply, so ultimately... not totally reliable. Still, it only refers to Dimensional Travel.

Fifth one is more or less the same as the fourth. Dimensional travel.

Sixth is more or less meaningless.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So, going through Weekly's stuff, if this is all, then for now I disagree with the thread.

 

[Firestorm808]

At this time, I disagree as well.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

So, going through Weekly's stuff, if this is all, then for now I disagree with the thread.

Debunked so hard ngl

You're someone who has truly contributed to my development and given me valuable experience. I accept your opinion for now, you can close the CRT. Thanks again for your feedback, G.O.A.T.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Can you link the thread where this was accepted?

it was accepted then debunked and downgraded later on by Hi3

 

[Spinoirr]

12:46 - "You know the fundamentals of space-time only apply to realities with less than five dimensions right?"

Implying that Zoe can percieve at least five spatio-temporal dimensions

"“It’s as if…” There was no easy way for Kayn to describe it. The quantum traces were bizarre. It was as though a piece of another reality, another spatial dimension altogether, had intersected briefly with this mountain on Ionan, negated it utterly, and left this void behind like an empty wound."

The Lure - Universe of League of Legends

Keelo always cried “Surprise!” when he attacked.

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The Dream Thief

"The Dream Thief" is an updated version of "Keeper of Dreams" short story. "Keeper of Dreams" was part of a story event which started on the official League of Legends Russian servers and promoted on their site and twitter page. Each of the chapter images were released on the Russian client...

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"It is bigger than a mountain. Is it one of the small ones? Lissandra hopes so. She has never dared probe the defenses of the largest—the ones that seem able to devour gravity and time itself, eaters of not only worlds, but entire planes of reality. They make her feel very small and insignificant, like a single mote of frost in a blizzard. "

Zilean/LoR

He also appeared in the artworks of: 2 Time in a Bottle 7 Chronoshift 2 Aspiring Chronomancer 3 Khahiri the Student 8 The Clock Hand Zilean is voiced by Christopher Swindle.[1] ▶️ "The way is always the same..." ▶️ "Haven't I been here before?" ▶️ "Now? Then? Or soon?" ▶️ "All paths lead...

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"Countless possibilities stretched before and behind him. He saw them all at once, a dizzying array that only he could decipher. With a single gesture, Zilean could unfold entire timelines -- but none had yet shown him how to save Icathia."

 

[Mr. Bambu]

12:46 - "You know the fundamentals of space-time only apply to realities with less than five dimensions right?"

This is flimsy, but it is at least in the vein of what should be sought after, and certainly outclasses all evidence from before. Still, it is a brief line, and doesn't really interface with any of the other evidence, so it would be very difficult to convince me of Low 1-C from this alone.

"“It’s as if…” There was no easy way for Kayn to describe it. The quantum traces were bizarre. It was as though a piece of another reality, another spatial dimension altogether, had intersected briefly with this mountain on Ionan, negated it utterly, and left this void behind like an empty wound."

Hey, this is the Horus Heresy author, that's awesome. Terrible, in a way, but also awesome.

Either way, this one is mired in issues. This is evidently from an individual who doesn't understand what they're talking about, and they provide two statements that are somewhat contradictory- the "void" left behind is attributed both to an intersecting reality, and an additional spatial dimension. What I gather from this, then, is that Dan Abnett does not know what a dimension is (which lines up with his writing elsewhere, iirc).

"It is bigger than a mountain. Is it one of the small ones? Lissandra hopes so. She has never dared probe the defenses of the largest—the ones that seem able to devour gravity and time itself, eaters of not only worlds, but entire planes of reality. They make her feel very small and insignificant, like a single mote of frost in a blizzard. "

This only really becomes evidence of tier if we already accept Low 1-C, it isn't evidence in of itself. So it's not really relevant to the discussion.

"Countless possibilities stretched before and behind him. He saw them all at once, a dizzying array that only he could decipher. With a single gesture, Zilean could unfold entire timelines -- but none had yet shown him how to save Icathia."

Better than the other 2-A statement, but not really good, since it's again a person being shown possibilities, rather than an explicit statement of cosmology. It's made slightly more dubious by the earlier content of this CRT mentioning that things like fate and possibility aren't concrete timelines or set-in-stone things in this verse, but rather cosmic suggestions.

As it stands: the bark from Zoe is something, but far from conclusive on its own (and thus requires significant further support to be considered valid). I would be hesitant to call the rest of this strong evidence.

 

[Spinoirr]

This is flimsy, but it is at least in the vein of what should be sought after, and certainly outclasses all evidence from before. Still, it is a brief line, and doesn't really interface with any of the other evidence, so it would be very difficult to convince me of Low 1-C from this alone.

This wouldnt be useable with the line above about Zoe having experienced 'realities beyond human comprehension'? The character who said this line is the same one who experienced that.

Either way, this one is mired in issues. This is evidently from an individual who doesn't understand what they're talking about, and they provide two statements that are somewhat contradictory- the "void" left behind is attributed both to an intersecting reality, and an additional spatial dimension. What I gather from this, then, is that Dan Abnett does not know what a dimension is (which lines up with his writing elsewhere, iirc).

Should note, Kayn does seemingly know what he is talking about at least in regards to spatial dimensions, as earlier in the story its stated that the occular interface he is using to scan the anomaly works in three dimensions:

"Alone again, Kayn woke the astral portolan unit built into the corner of his quarters. The console rose from the deck, opening its steel petals to project a tri-dimensional local system chart into the air. He reached out and rotated the image, moving through stars, selecting and enlarging. A swipe of his fingers brought Ionan into view. His golden ocular interface engaged with the projection, and augmented it to a real-time display of exquisite detail."

You can just crtl+f 'interface' in that story with a bunch of instances of the interface he is using beaming information directly into his head.

Better than the other 2-A statement, but not really good, since it's again a person being shown possibilities, rather than an explicit statement of cosmology. It's made slightly more dubious by the earlier content of this CRT mentioning that things like fate and possibility aren't concrete timelines or set-in-stone things in this verse, but rather cosmic suggestions.

Funnily enough, they are concrete timelines:

Zilean - Champions - Universe of League of Legends

the Chronokeeper

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"Once a member of Icathia’s governing council, Zilean is a prodigious elemental mage who seeks mastery over time itself. After using his powers in an attempt to save his people from the Void, he now drifts through the past, present, and future, bending and warping the flow of time around him. Zilean has traveled from Runeterra’s mysterious creation, all the way to its seemingly inevitable ending, searching tirelessly for any strand of fate that might undo his homeland’s destruction."

Zilean - Biography - Universe of League of Legends

Icathia, most desolate and cursed of lands, was not always so. Theirs was a rich and diverse civilization, ruled by benevolent Axamuk, last of the Mage Kings of old. As the Shuriman empire expanded across the continent, Axamuk’s calls for peaceful coexistence were ignored, and his armies...

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"Zilean had spent decades trying to comprehend the mysteries of time and causality, and it seemed only he could move freely back and forth within the anomaly he had somehow created. These people had been saved, true enough. He just didn't know how to undo what he had done to achieve it. Through deep meditations and esoteric devices of his own design, he began to divine the strands of past and present that led to this moment, gradually learning how to move back and forth along them, looking for a future where his efforts had already succeeded...

It was there that he found the true threat: the end of everything. The great unmaking that awaits Runeterra.

Effectively, Zilean now exists everywhere, and always has. Even so, he is only too aware of the consequences of trying to bring about change in the world and sparking other unexpected destinies—often conflicting, and almost always more dangerous. Perhaps if he can find a way to save his own people, then the greater disaster might also be averted. "

Pretty much the entirety of Zilean's lore is him experiencing the infinite branching timelines in the multiverse to try to save his home.

Ekko (a character who creates and destroys timelines as a form of time travel) also has an interaction with Kindred (the verse's version of Death) that acknowledges him creating and destroying countless timelines with his Z-Drive

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This wouldnt be useable with the line above about Zoe having experienced 'realities beyond human comprehension'? The character who said this line is the same one who experienced that.

Acknowledging that you're using it to argue Tier 1 for an entire verse with notable deficiencies in its other areas related to this, yeah. I would still consider it evidence, but evidence too flimsy to use on its own.

Should note, Kayn does seemingly know what he is talking about at least in regards to spatial dimensions, as earlier in the story its stated that the occular interface he is using to scan the anomaly works in three dimensions:

"Alone again, Kayn woke the astral portolan unit built into the corner of his quarters. The console rose from the deck, opening its steel petals to project a tri-dimensional local system chart into the air. He reached out and rotated the image, moving through stars, selecting and enlarging. A swipe of his fingers brought Ionan into view. His golden ocular interface engaged with the projection, and augmented it to a real-time display of exquisite detail."

You can just crtl+f 'interface' in that story with a bunch of instances of the interface he is using beaming information directly into his head.

I don't take this to mean the statement is any more reliable. He still is explicitly unsure of what's going on, whether he has the given equipment or not.

Funnily enough, they are concrete timelines:

"Once a member of Icathia’s governing council, Zilean is a prodigious elemental mage who seeks mastery over time itself. After using his powers in an attempt to save his people from the Void, he now drifts through the past, present, and future, bending and warping the flow of time around him. Zilean has traveled from Runeterra’s mysterious creation, all the way to its seemingly inevitable ending, searching tirelessly for any strand of fate that might undo his homeland’s destruction."

This doesn't confirm them as timelines, just that he is a time manipulator.

"Zilean had spent decades trying to comprehend the mysteries of time and causality, and it seemed only he could move freely back and forth within the anomaly he had somehow created. These people had been saved, true enough. He just didn't know how to undo what he had done to achieve it. Through deep meditations and esoteric devices of his own design, he began to divine the strands of past and present that led to this moment, gradually learning how to move back and forth along them, looking for a future where his efforts had already succeeded...

It was there that he found the true threat: the end of everything. The great unmaking that awaits Runeterra.

Effectively, Zilean now exists everywhere, and always has. Even so, he is only too aware of the consequences of trying to bring about change in the world and sparking other unexpected destinies—often conflicting, and almost always more dangerous. Perhaps if he can find a way to save his own people, then the greater disaster might also be averted. "

Pretty much the entirety of Zilean's lore is him experiencing the infinite branching timelines in the multiverse to try to save his home.

Ekko (a character who creates and destroys timelines as a form of time travel) also has an interaction with Kindred (the verse's version of Death) that acknowledges him creating and destroying countless timelines with his Z-Drive

I'll say this: I consider this not confirmed 2-A. People on this wiki have made a mental bridge between possibilities and an infinite multiverse of them. All of these possibilities need not actually exist at any given time. I recognize that he is interfacing with these potential futures- but nowhere does it say they they are very much real, they are just potential ends to the one existent timeline he is manipulating. I also don't recognize anything like this interfacing with the other cosmological tidbits mentioned previously.

That said, I am interested to look into this more. Given the possibility that this has to emerge as 2-A, and given that this isn't some deep lore but rather an entire character, I would find it hard to believe it was not discussed previously in a CRT- and presumably shut down, as it is not currently on the profiles. Are you aware of such a CRT? I do not state that I would agree or disagree with it, but I am curious of the discussions that might have been had.

 

[Blackdragonq1]

Whether or not you trust or believe me, I'm not sure, but this dimension's transcendence is so far beyond that it cannot interact with infinite realities with a 2A structure. That's why they create a being in a lower dimension. This realm has to be truly more transcendent than the universe itself, and it already exists in a higher dimension than the entire cosmos.

Are these things you mentioned in the imgurs you uploaded? Imgurs are working now but I don't think you can defend L1C. The arguments you give are not sufficient for L1C and there are certain arguments that are very open to refutation. I don't want to say anything about the 2a incident because I didn't read it.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

I'll say this: I consider this not confirmed 2-A. People on this wiki have made a mental bridge between possibilities and an infinite multiverse of them. All of these possibilities need not actually exist at any given time. I recognize that he is interfacing with these potential futures- but nowhere does it say they they are very much real, they are just potential ends to the one existent timeline he is manipulating. I also don't recognize anything like this interfacing with the other cosmological tidbits mentioned previously.

With the release of Arcane Season 2, I'd say those "potential futures" are very much real alternative realities/timelines.

In episode 7 of the new season, Ekko and Jayce are sent to another timelines where events unfold in a different way than the base LoL reality. Like for example, in Ekko's case he sees a world where the Hextech weren't as important as it is in the main timeline, and because of this the relationship between Zaun and Piltover are completely different - and some characters are alive and well.

This is a change that didn't impact the whole Runeterra but two specific regions, however in Jayce's case he visits a timeline where basically the entire of Runeterra is devastated and destroyed, and civilization is no more, showing a much more radical possibility than Ekko's timeline.

Those two worlds are solid, real different timelines happening and unfolding in parallel with the main LoL continuity. There's no reason to consider the potential futures viewed by Zilean to be different.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I would really need to see Episode 7 of Arcane to judge that, I guess? Big if true.

 

[Spinoirr]

I don't take this to mean the statement is any more reliable. He still is explicitly unsure of what's going on, whether he has the given equipment or not.

Fair, though it would make sense for Dark Star Rhaast to be that considering the Dark Stars exist on a level equal to the Celestials. The Dark Star even has this feat:

Ambition's Embrace - Universe of League of Legends

Bound by darkness.

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"I open my eyes and let go. Fall. Plummet. Sink. And I am one with the Dark Star. Its power my own. As it always has been. And always will be. Annihilation embodied. Pure ambition given form. My dark will reaches out, piercing time and space. Bending past and future into an infinite curvature. And I see—

Mordekaiser, shattered in the Dark Star’s wake, reformed into a revenant of dark metal and destruction.

Xerath, born from my malice, coalesced through whim and breath.

Malphite, obliteration birthed from rubble, cleaving a path through space under my beck and call.

And others. Dark forms twisting to my will. Bowing before their true Queen. This I see awaiting in my future, and I ''smile''. And I see little Thresh. Poor, inconsequential Thresh. Self-appointed Harbinger of darkness, unaware what he heralded was me. His chains clinging to my unleashed form as though they could bind or hold me. I draw upon the void and darkness, and a rush of power limitless in scale erupts. A beacon of pure destruction erasing all in its path."

I'll say this: I consider this not confirmed 2-A. People on this wiki have made a mental bridge between possibilities and an infinite multiverse of them. All of these possibilities need not actually exist at any given time. I recognize that he is interfacing with these potential futures- but nowhere does it say they they are very much real, they are just potential ends to the one existent timeline he is manipulating. I also don't recognize anything like this interfacing with the other cosmological tidbits mentioned previously.

Better than the other 2-A statement, but not really good, since it's again a person being shown possibilities, rather than an explicit statement of cosmology. It's made slightly more dubious by the earlier content of this CRT mentioning that things like fate and possibility aren't concrete timelines or set-in-stone things in this verse, but rather cosmic suggestions.

Would just like to point out that this isnt the case at all. LoL has an entire multiverse comprised of infinite universes that functions on Chaos Theory.

Multiverse

The Multiverse, also sometimes referred to as The Omniverse, is an expansive and intricate network of different parallel universes that exists beyond the boundaries of their respective universe. The Multiverse is based on Chaos Theory, meaning that small changes can cause universes to diverge...

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There is even a temporal police force dedicated to policing the various alternate timelines across the multiverse:

Pulsefire (Universe)

Pulsefire is a series of Parallel Universe skins in League of Legends. Set in a dystopian future after the Cog Era, it features champions augmented by cybernetic enhancements and equipped with Chrono technology. Between the branching of infinite realities, Chrono-enforcers clash with fleeing...

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"Between the branching of infinite realities, Chrono-enforcers clash with fleeing fugitives, temporal warlords, and the unrelenting march of Praetorians through the vicissitudes of space-time."

Essentially there are an infinite number of alternate universes, and countless branching timelines within each of those universes, or at the very least the universes where Ekko and/or Zilean exist.

Also as HigashikataJobin said, Arcane's last season had Ekko and Jayce physically travel to a bunch of branching timelines. They are very much real.

That said, I am interested to look into this more. Given the possibility that this has to emerge as 2-A, and given that this isn't some deep lore but rather an entire character, I would find it hard to believe it was not discussed previously in a CRT- and presumably shut down, as it is not currently on the profiles. Are you aware of such a CRT? I do not state that I would agree or disagree with it, but I am curious of the discussions that might have been had.

Therein lies a bit of a problem, it's his entire lore, but thats also pretty much all the lore he has. Not sure if its been brought up before though, I don't kept up with LoL CRT's