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League Of Legends Tier 1 Upgrade!

Apollonir.Scale said:
There are some areas where I am suspicious.

Infinite may be used here not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many. It seemed to me a very strange idea that Taric saw infinitely many things. If it is not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many, then this argument can be used as 2-C, not 2-A.

Could this expression mean consuming everything in Space-Time separately? Or does it eat/absorb everything in one go as you think? The reason I have doubts about this is that they may prefer not to eat it all at once in order to enjoy it. Judging by the splash art of Dark Star Kha Zix, it looks like it's about to eat a planet. Of course, you mentioned Thresh. Thresh may be much superior to the others.

Let me also add that if they consume Space-Time by eating as I understand it, they may be more gigantic than Space-Time. I think Dark Star Thresh can be given Large Size Type 9. I think it can be given Immersuable Lifthing Strength indirectly.


This argument was brought up when Zoe was first added to the game, and it was decided that Zoe's EE Hax would have a range of 5D. It was also added to her profile.

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I agree with that. This may not be transcendence but a universe with a different space-time.
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everything you have said so fsr is presupposing the other option to be true which there's absolutely no evidence for it to be the case
 
ShionAH said:
Bro wtf is this argument, it is said infinite realities which means infinite realities. Thats easy 2A dont scretch it
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That might have come across as disrespectful, but it’s up to you. What are your thoughts on the topic right now?
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
This topic has already been discussed, but what I mean is this: unless there is an anti-feat, it wouldn’t make sense to argue otherwise. Kha’Zix’s example reflects his 'arbitrary' desire, while the true goal of the Dark Stars is to consume the entire cosmology 'at once' and witness the end of everything simultaneously. Therefore, I don’t think these actions are taken in a sequential manner.
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I’d also like to add that Dark Stars are entities that consume for pleasure but have the primary goal of absorbing all cosmology. Rhaast’s ability to destroy all reality, Kha’Zix’s potential to annihilate all existence, and Thresh’s capacity to consume all space-time and reality already indicate their ability to act beyond singularity and multiplicity, achieving these feats simultaneously.
 
ShionAH said:
Bro wtf is this argument, it is said infinite realities which means infinite realities. Thats easy 2A dont scretch it
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all converging into a single point in time.
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I'm still waiting for the OP to atleast elaborate this further, you do know infinite realities and then statements like them converging into a single point in time could be interpreted as MWI in which it's just a parallel timeline (infinite timelines inside one space-time continuum = Low 2-C)?
2-A isn't that easy, lol
 
Voidnether said:
I'm still waiting for the OP to atleast elaborate this further, you do know infinite realities and then statements like them converging into a single point in time could be interpreted as MWI in which it's just a parallel timeline (infinite timelines inside one space-time continuum = Low 2-C)?
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They are not in a single timeline continuity; they “gathered there for a short period.” You can think of it like the MCU or Dragon Ball they are all actually independent of each other.

Addition:

They are not part of a single spacetime continuity. To elaborate further, you can think of the "Forge of Creation" as the source of all existence. Here, all realities came into existence simultaneously, yet they are entirely independent of one another. For example, among the realities we know, there is the Odyssey reality and the Runeterra reality, which are completely separate.

To summarize my answer more briefly: they are infinite realities that were created at the same time, entirely independent and fundamentally different from one another. They are not infinite fates and realities bound by a single spacetime continuity.
 
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Shiedaisthepeak said:
They are not in a single timeline continuity; they “gathered there for a short period.” You can think of it like the MCU or Dragon Ball they are all actually independent of each other.

Addition:

They are not part of a single spacetime continuity. To elaborate further, you can think of the "Forge of Creation" as the source of all existence. Here, all realities came into existence simultaneously, yet they are entirely independent of one another. For example, among the realities we know, there is the Odyssey reality and the Runeterra reality, which are completely separate.

To summarize my answer more briefly: they are infinite realities that were created at the same time, entirely independent and fundamentally different from one another. They are not infinite fates and realities bound by a single spacetime continuity.
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Yeah, that could work as 2-A.
Have you tried getting the staff to evaluate this, though?
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
those agruments were already rejected it is why league tier 1 got last removed
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Yes, two CRTs are for Tier 1 purposes, but what they generally argue is that the celestial realm perceives an infinite universe as finite, which I think is nonsense. Personally, I argue that there is a higher time dimension, and even if it’s not Low 1-C, it could at least be classified as Tier 2-A.
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
Here comes Kayn's protector,Shiedaisthepeak!!!

I guess it will be a new trial, so let's get started right away.

Celestial Realm:
Humans cannot comprehend the time mechanics of the 'Celestial Realm,' which operates on a higher level than the existing time in Runeterra. For the Celestial Realm, it is 'timeless,' beyond the imagination of mortals. This means that the time operating in the Celestial Realm is beyond normal time, and it points out that mortals (humans) are creations too limited to understand this,That's why it is called 'timeless' for the Celestial Realm.' Already, the fact that it operates beyond human imagination implies a higher level of time.
So, the interpretation here will be that the Celestial Realm operates in a transcendent dimension of time, rather than being timeless because; humans, limited by their own thoughts and capacities, cannot comprehend the concept of time in the Celestial Realm and thus can only describe it as 'timeless.

I need to state that linear time/time does exist in the Celestial Realm, and if these aspects are present, it will prove what I’ve said.

Feats:

Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon’s control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension. Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects.

So, from this, we can be certain that time progresses in a more transcendent way. Now, let's move on to the others;

"Taric was horrified in the face of infinite fate and reality'' this is only a fraction of the realities observed by the Celestial Realm, but since the Celestial Realm contains and can display them, it must at least be a 2A structure.

They witnessed the moment of creation of the universe where all of time converged, the moment where the Crisis Time exists.

The Celestial Realm and its beings (the Celestials) cannot interact with Runeterra and the universe because they exist in a higher dimension. Therefore, they are content with only observing. In order to interact with others, they have created physical manifestations of themselves.

Conclusion for Celestial Realm:
If we calculate a temporal dimension that encompasses infinite realities and operates in a higher dimension, it would be at least infinite 5D (Low 1-C), but even if we reject the transcendence of time, it is still necessary to take at least 2A from the infinite realities.

Dark Stars:
They have the capacity to destroy all of existence: 'No one devours all of existence on my watch!' This should not be interpreted as a singularity because it also includes Ezreal, who is from another reality, and thus they are powerful enough to destroy all of existence. This also includes the Celestial Realm, which is why it can easily scale to the Low 1-C tier.

Rhaast states that he can destroy all of reality.

Thresh states that he can consume all of space-time-reality.


All of these statements suggest multiplicity rather than singularity, and considering that the true purpose of the Dark Stars is the multiverses, and assuming that the Celestial Realm is included within them, I believe all the Dark Stars should be classified as L1C or 2A tier.

AGREE: @Protector_Hunk @Baabasaplar95 @GrayCraft_Dragon @Gorkyss @Ar1216789 @Voidnether (agree with 2A) @OrangeFR (Agree with 2A) @TyraexgSama @henryzx900ruly @Apollonir.Scale
DISAGREE:
NEUTRAL:
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Are we sure imgur works?
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
If you don’t mind, could you express your comment more clearly?
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Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
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In the section above, what requirements have been met for higher temporal dimensions?
 
Firestorm808 said:
In the section above, what requirements have been met for higher temporal dimensions?
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Their inability to interact directly with infinite realities (if I'm not mistaken,reality baseline at Low 2-C) and their existence on a higher dimensional plane, along with the transcendence of the concept of time, seems to fulfill this temporal transcendence. This is because, within the story, it is explicitly stated that they cannot interact with a 4D structure directly and have created a lower-dimensional construct for such interaction
Outside of explanations which state that multiple time dimensions exist it is difficult to show that a fiction has more than one
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Shiedaisthepeak said:
The Celestial Realm and its beings (the Celestials) cannot interact with Runeterra and the universe because they exist in a higher dimension. Therefore, they are content with only observing. In order to interact with others, they have created physical manifestations of themselves.
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Shiedaisthepeak said:
Their inability to interact directly with infinite realities (if I'm not mistaken,reality baseline at Low 2-C) and their existence on a higher dimensional plane, along with the transcendence of the concept of time, seems to fulfill this temporal transcendence. This is because, within the story, it is explicitly stated that they cannot interact with a 4D structure directly and have created a lower-dimensional construct for such interaction
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Do you have any practical examples of the mechanics demonstrating a single Hypertimeline layer from the FAQ.

For example:
  • The key point that has to be established is that there is a kind of time that flows in a different direction than the past or the future or any of the spatial directions.
  • Things like timelines having time that passes at different rates would not qualify, as even the theory of general relativity already establishes that with just one regular time dimension time can flow at different rates in different places.
  • Time flowing backwards in another universe would also not qualify it to have an additional time dimension, as it would still use the same directions of past and future as regular time, just with events playing out in reverse.
  • For the same reasons, statements about independent time streams or of separate kinds of time, which could flow parallel to the original time, would not qualify.
  • Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.
  • Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that special time travel can go to prior versions of the timelines instead of the past. The keyword in the latter case is time travel, as that specifies that the action happens through movement through something like time. Note that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Do you have any practical examples of the mechanics demonstrating a single Hypertimeline layer from the FAQ.
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I don't want to interrupt you, but I recommend you read the crt back, this is not hypertimeline,I just described a higher realm/realm.
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
Here comes Kayn's protector,Shiedaisthepeak!!!

I guess it will be a new trial, so let's get started right away.

Celestial Realm:
Humans cannot comprehend the time mechanics of the 'Celestial Realm,' which operates on a higher level than the existing time in Runeterra. For the Celestial Realm, it is 'timeless,' beyond the imagination of mortals. This means that the time operating in the Celestial Realm is beyond normal time, and it points out that mortals (humans) are creations too limited to understand this,That's why it is called 'timeless' for the Celestial Realm.' Already, the fact that it operates beyond human imagination implies a higher level of time.
So, the interpretation here will be that the Celestial Realm operates in a transcendent dimension of time, rather than being timeless because; humans, limited by their own thoughts and capacities, cannot comprehend the concept of time in the Celestial Realm and thus can only describe it as 'timeless.

I need to state that linear time/time does exist in the Celestial Realm, and if these aspects are present, it will prove what I’ve said.
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I'm not really sure about this I couldn't look at how this is expressed since imgurlar doesn't work
But I really don't think these will be enough. Mortals' limited time perception cannot perceive time in the celestial realm and that's why they may call it timeless but this doesn't directly give us a higher level of time
There are reasons such as time passing very fast or very slow, limited time perceptions cannot perceive and express this time. The context here needs to be supported and explained, which I still don't think is enough
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
I don't want to interrupt you, but I recommend you read the crt back, this is not hypertimeline,I just described a higher realm/realm.
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In the OP, you state the following:
Shiedaisthepeak said:
Celestial Realm:
Humans cannot comprehend the time mechanics of the 'Celestial Realm,' which operates on a higher level than the existing time in Runeterra. For the Celestial Realm, it is 'timeless,' beyond the imagination of mortals. This means that the time operating in the Celestial Realm is beyond normal time, and it points out that mortals (humans) are creations too limited to understand this,That's why it is called 'timeless' for the Celestial Realm.' Already, the fact that it operates beyond human imagination implies a higher level of time.
So, the interpretation here will be that the Celestial Realm operates in a transcendent dimension of time, rather than being timeless because; humans, limited by their own thoughts and capacities, cannot comprehend the concept of time in the Celestial Realm and thus can only describe it as 'timeless.

I need to state that linear time/time does exist in the Celestial Realm, and if these aspects are present, it will prove what I’ve said.
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You are stating that it is a higher dimension of time, AKA a hypertimeline.
 
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