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6-B upgrade for the Ascended and characters who scale to them.

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As for Ezreal's Gauntlet, the energy itself comes from Ez himself. So it's 6-B when an Ascendant uses it and 7-C when Ez uses it.

"I close my eyes for a split second. Energy flows down my arm, jangling my nerves with a pulsating beat as I concentrate power into the gem. I steady my gauntlet and aim it at the largest spider. As the monster opens his jaws I unleash a blazing ray into its mouth, blasting it back into the crawling horde. The smell of burned chitin stings my throat and my stomach churns."

"I ready my gauntlet and concentrate all my energy into the gem. I feel it drawing power from me. My vision blurs and the world seems to tilt as the gem fills with magic. The gauntlet pulses the blue of a clear sky.

I open my hand and a brilliant arc of golden light as wide as the tunnel bursts from my palm. The force of the blast staggers me, but I maintain my focus. The light blazes in a continuous glowing channel, gleaming brightly as it disintegrates everything in its path, leaving a precariously narrow gap. My favorite kind of gap!"
 
Because Trynd's relation to Aatrox is based on old lore and not much indicates that it will remain the same in the future.
 
Trynd's relation to Aatrox is still present in the current lore. If it changes in the future then we'll change it in the future but for now he scales.
 
For now he doesn't, as the old lore isn't applicable anymore. And he has no corroborating feats to justify the Tier jump.
 
Trynd has no other lore other than the old lore. Once again youre ignoring lore for no reason.

He doesnt need feats when he has a corroborating statement.
 
Not really? This is like claiming that Teemo or Veigar should scale to Mordekaiser based off a statement.

Same goes for a lot of champs you claim scale to this.
 
why would they scale off of Mord? There are both feats and statements that make both of them far inferior to Mord. Your comparison makes little sense.

Sorry you dont like statements but we accept them here.
 
And the same applies to Tryndamere, which is thw point. Beingva capable vessel =/= being 6-B.

When they have evidence and proper reasoning as support, not misleading admins.
 
When lore-wise Aatrox's power tears apart the bodies of the vessels he possesses and he then says that Tryndamere can withstand his power, yes, being a vessel = being 6-B

Which it does here

And once again youre throwing out insults and slander like it helps improve your argument
 
A statement from a character who has more than enough evidence to support them knowing what theyre talking about in regards to power and the limits of what can and cant handle their power is more than enough evidence
 
Aatrox has nothing but his own perceptions and what Trynd is capable of in the current lore is still unknown. Yes, he calls Trynd capable, but he never really elaborates nor does Trynd have anything that would support such a statement. So still not enough to justify the upgrade.
 
If anything changes when Trynd's lore gets updated then we'll change him accordingly

Until then he scales
 
He doesn't given that old lore Tryndamere was never said to be as strong as Aatrox. So you are upgrading based on flawed reasoning and insufgicient proof, which isn't good.
 
Doesnt matter as this is Aatrox's new lore. That is all the proof and reasoning that is needed. If Trynd's update contradicts it in the future then we'll change it, otherwise there is nothing to contradict him scaling to aatrox.
 
Aatrox isn't Tryndamere, so you do need more than Aatrox's word, just like you need more than using Ascendant weapons to scale Ez or Sivir to them.
 
No, we dont need anything more than aatrox's word, his word is more than enough proof.

I already agreed that siv's is too vague but Ez's is directly stated to utilize the power of an Ascendant
 
It really isn't especially when nothing else portrays Aatrox and Tryndamere as equals.

And I already posted quotes where Ez is using his own magical energy to power the gauntlet. Nothing indicates that the gauntlet has a separate power source from the wielder.
 
Aatrox portrays himself and Tryndamere as equals

"Breathing hard, Ezreal looked down at the gauntlet as it hummed along with his heartbeat. He could feel it siphoning and amplifying his own essence. This, he realized, was a fearsome weapon of a previous age. A weapon fit for a god-warrior of Shurima, and the perfect tool for an explorer."

Oh really now?
 
Aatrox does not.

Amplifiers =/= power source and Ezreal has yet to show he can reliably destroy 6-B stuff on his own given that weaker blasts weaken him by a lot.

"I close my hand into a fist and the tunnel darkens once more. The ground lurches unpleasantly, sending me to my knees. I'm so spent I can barely move, let alone stand. Inches from my face, cracks spread across the floor faster than I can track them. Not good. The tomb won't hold much longer, so I muster my remaining strength and rise, sprinting to what I dearly hope is safety."

He's running low when destroying a collapsing entrance.
 
He does. He flat out states it himself. Youre going to need to give actual evidence other than just 'nah' if you actually want to argue.

You dont need to have feats to prove youre a tier. Its why scaling exists. 90% of this wiki uses it.
 
Aatrox quotes:

"First encounter with Tryndamere

'Laughs' "Yes, Tryndamere! I am the cause of your suffering! See if you can cut justice from me!"

"I wait for you, Tryndamere! Come, take your vengeance!"

"Remember the screams of your kinsmen as you fall to me, Tryndamere!"

"Rage? You are just flesh, Tryndamere, ready for harvesting!""

"Attacking Tryndamere

"I killed your tribe. Now, join them!"

"Tryndamere! This is your destiny!""

"Killing Tryndamere

"I thought you my next vessel, Tryndamere. Pity, you failed even to become a slave.""

Nothing here indicates equality. So again misleading people.
 
I think to be safe, Tryn and Fiora should not scale they are a bit to ambiguous. Jax is also a bit of an issue, because he did not see himself as capable of fighting an Ascendant 1 v1 (at least that is how it is implied in the lore) but for that I dont really know either way.
 
@Rocker It was stated in the lore that he was the only one capable of decapitating an ascendant

Plus Trox also sees Jax as a permanent vessel
 
Going back to the previous subject, these two feats are already more than enough to start editing the profiles.
 
For creating, manipulating, and destroying True Ice as well as being stated as having the power to stop Lissandra
 
Jax beheaded an Ascendant after they all brought it down. It's very difficult to say he scales since he didn't beat one by himself. A single quote is again insufficient.

And how is manipulating True Ice 6-B? It's just a selective form of Ice Magic.
 
The durability of an ascendant doesnt change randomly. We have characters rated far, far higher using less information as proof.

Willump regularly breaks true ice and Nunu can create it, that is a High 6-B feat
 
Not exactly a good thing, and again assumptions =/= evidence. Given what we know, we can't conclusively put Jax at 6-B.

Still not 6-B, given that the only thing claiming True Ice is 6-B comes from you.
 
If all youre going to do is be condescending, confrontational, needlessly accusatory, and all around uncooperative then im going to have to ask you politely to please leave
 
The way that you do so is yes. Calling people liars and accusing them of purposely trying to mislead people while also ignoring anything they have to say just because it differs from your opinion is uncooperative.
 
You still haven't given proper evidence or reasoning throughout the thread, from Aatrox to True Ice. So it gets a bit frustrating when you act like this.
 
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