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...Is the transmutation a projectile? Has anyone dodged it in series?
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Uh...
It kinda just activates on you, so it's not really dodgeable. Like telekinesis.
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Oh I thought it was a projectile from like her Unicorn
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I mean Mash was turned into a puppet once and could still move, but that was because he still had his muscles underneath
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She can literally turn him into an orange.
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Of course, puppets aren't oranges
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Yeah, I just saw that. Tbh I thought it was about turning anyone into anything
Looking into her standard tactics section, it says how she resorts to the transfiguration if the battle turns up hopeless, which it basically will since Mash is a powerhouse, but just in case can there be examples given?
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Honestly, I should probably restate my stance so its easier to look over it
I simply believe that with these circumstances, Mash is going to lead with Big Bang Dash, or use it sooner than later.
If he constantly sees Twilight spamming attacks while teleporting around, he'll likely dodge around for a bit before seeing that he has to use it. If he ends up slapping away any of Twilight's attacks, then he will know that Twilight will resort to her transmutation via her posture and just sensing danger, before using Big Bang Dash to blitz and one shot. Hope my stance isn't silly.
I simply believe that with these circumstances, Mash is going to lead with Big Bang Dash, or use it sooner than later.
If he constantly sees Twilight spamming attacks while teleporting around, he'll likely dodge around for a bit before seeing that he has to use it. If he ends up slapping away any of Twilight's attacks, then he will know that Twilight will resort to her transmutation via her posture and just sensing danger, before using Big Bang Dash to blitz and one shot. Hope my stance isn't silly.
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I was under the impression that her Transmutation could be dodged, but considering it's something that she would save for when in trouble that means Mash is safe until he can land a hit or Twilight fails to hit him a few times.
Mash avoiding detection here is debatable, so for ease sake i will say they just notice eachother at the same time.
Twilight uses anything other than transmutation: Mash avoids through IR or swats it away, then proceeds to either throw a rock or big bang dash on her. Big bang dash is blitzworthy, so even a shield is likely not saving her from a direct hit to the head, wich at 5.5x AP advantage (assuming her shield is equal to her AP in defense.) and Mash's skill level should likely be enough to K.O.
Rock throwing can probably be dodged by teleportation, but if she does get hit it would count as piercing damage since Mash can apply enough spin on his throws to make them behave like a drill, wich can be lethal at 5.5x AP advantage if it hits a vital spot.
If Twilight survives the initial attacks Mash will have trouble catching her even with her mobility and from there it depends on him being able to kill her before she decides to use transmutation, wich seems to lean in Twilight's favor, but Mash's IR can tell him when someone is about to use hax on him, wich could lead to a Big Bang Dash into the sky depending on how far above she is.
I'm thinking of an incon, but leaning more towards Mash since his instincts are OP.
Mash avoiding detection here is debatable, so for ease sake i will say they just notice eachother at the same time.
Twilight uses anything other than transmutation: Mash avoids through IR or swats it away, then proceeds to either throw a rock or big bang dash on her. Big bang dash is blitzworthy, so even a shield is likely not saving her from a direct hit to the head, wich at 5.5x AP advantage (assuming her shield is equal to her AP in defense.) and Mash's skill level should likely be enough to K.O.
Rock throwing can probably be dodged by teleportation, but if she does get hit it would count as piercing damage since Mash can apply enough spin on his throws to make them behave like a drill, wich can be lethal at 5.5x AP advantage if it hits a vital spot.
If Twilight survives the initial attacks Mash will have trouble catching her even with her mobility and from there it depends on him being able to kill her before she decides to use transmutation, wich seems to lean in Twilight's favor, but Mash's IR can tell him when someone is about to use hax on him, wich could lead to a Big Bang Dash into the sky depending on how far above she is.
I'm thinking of an incon, but leaning more towards Mash since his instincts are OP.
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Actually, it's over an 11x advantage between their AP. 7 teratons vs casually over 80 teratons.
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I mean it's more of a 5.7 difference but sure
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Can we get some clips of her fighting? I don't want my YT search filled with... MLP
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Im NGL I don't even want to have to go through a bunch of episodes on YouTube to find actually serious fighting stuff for her.
Also bro most of the clips are on YouTube Kid shit so I have to watch like 30 seconds of ads every single time and I literally just don't have the attention span.
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That's why I dont want to do it either, but it would be great to have them just to see the frequency of teleportation. Guess I'll make the deep dive....
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All I'm seeing is Twilight fighting Tirek, and that's when she's presumably an Alicorn. So taking a look at her profile, her base form doesn't list any sort of flight outside of telekinesis, but does that allow her to move around freely? And looking at her teleportation, it looks like it takes effort. Around a second I must say.
Also, I can't find any clip for turning stuff into oranges. Do you have any clips of that? As well as Twilight using it in battle?
Also, I can't find any clip for turning stuff into oranges. Do you have any clips of that? As well as Twilight using it in battle?
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Using the animation time-frames as speed doesn't make much sense though because she can react to FTL shit.
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Pretty sure that to be able to stop them with TK she would need to overcome the force of the throw thing, which in this case is far above what she can output so she can't stop them.
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I guess, but it still seems like the animation takes the effort to make her focus. I mean, would ftl stuff even matter here when she's getting equalized to Mash's speed?
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Why would it be above what she can output?
Rocks don't have LS and a AP difference alone isn't just gonna stop her from grabbing the rock and throwing it away.
That makes no sense.
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Because is a projectile that possess force and kinetic energy, so is necessary.
Ask DT, I clearly remember how he argued in the past that to stop a projectile with tk you need to overcome the force of it.
Edit: Think of it like this, just because a character possess tk and use it to stop a bullet for example don't mean that they could stop a meteorite.
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Nah that doesn't make sense. LS literally acts as an opposing force to the object.
11x AP gap isn't gonna just completely stop her from influencing the rock projectiles. I disagree with that.
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Change the standards then, because you are arguing that despite her lower output she can stop something with a far higher kinetic energy and force, which don't makes sense.
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Show me where that is a standard. Last I checked it was just similar AP and LS needed to influence things with TK. The rock has no LS, and the AP gap is just 11x.
It doesn't have to be stopping btw, never said that. Influencing the trajectory of an object requires substantially less force than stopping it. Which can completely throw the projectile off course.
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I think what Expectro is saying is that Mash can throw the rock with Class Z force, and because of that, the energy will be too much to divert
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You can't throw a rock with lifting strength behind.
He's arguing that AP alone will stop TK, which applies force in both AP and LS.
Which I completely disagree with since their AP valued aren't drastically different and the rock by itself has no LS.
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Hey, I'm just repeating what I think they're thinking. Honestly if you wanna ask about this, ask DT.
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DT saying that someone with 5-C flight can counter someone with Class Z TK because of its force.
I could agree with she being able to somewhat altering their course (not sure if she could alter it much considering its force and and how fast the distance would be closed), but she can't stop them.
No, I'm saying that because the force of the rock is far above what she can output she can't stop it.
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DT having an opinion on a match isn't a standard or guideline for all matches. Idk what you mean by 5-C flight. But if it is just the character being 5-C, then I have no idea why DT is saying that.
Like, if two characters are 5-C but one of them has Class 5 and the other Class Z, the the Class Z one should absolutely be able to stop them from moving with their LS.
I'm not sure what 5-C flight means in this case though, that could be something specific.
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Ah, gotcha
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DT, besides be an admin, is a calc member with several years here, so I definitely would take their word for something like this as is directly related with physics and the tiering system.
5-C flight mean flight done with 5-C levels of force, hence why to stop it it was needed to overcome said level of force. The same happen here, to stop the projectiles throw by Mash she need to directly overcome their force, which she can't because her output is quite below it.
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So right now
Mash: possibly 2 (Me, Cheeve is leaning)
Twilight: 1 (Phoenks who nominated her)
Incon: possibly 1 (Cheeve is leaning here too)
What is your stance Expectro?
Mash: possibly 2 (Me, Cheeve is leaning)
Twilight: 1 (Phoenks who nominated her)
Incon: possibly 1 (Cheeve is leaning here too)
What is your stance Expectro?
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Don't know, if Twilight transmutation is legit used in a combat sense then I would go with her, if not then I believe Mash would get the win due to eventually hitting her, so I would like scans showing the transmutation in fights because otherwise it would be the same situation as Doom BFR in the other thread.
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Every clip I fond is either Twilight fighting some red and black goat human thing or Dicord, which I'm assuming they are both far above the 6-B pay grade
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I forgot about this
The debate ia over or what?
The debate ia over or what?
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Nah still on, a few days left
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Work your magic Mr. King
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Idk man, maybe tomorrow
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