6-𝓑 𝓣𝓸𝓾𝓻𝓷𝓪𝓶𝓮𝓷𝓽: 𝓦𝓸𝓻𝓵𝓭 𝓸𝓯 𝓜𝓪𝓰𝓲𝓬, 𝓜𝓪𝓼𝓱 𝓑𝓾𝓻𝓷𝓮𝓭𝓮𝓪𝓭 𝓿𝓼 𝓣𝔀𝓲𝓵𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽 𝓢𝓹𝓪𝓻𝓴𝓵𝓮𝓼

[AnAverageUsername]

First off, Twilight doesn't kill in-character so she'll likely stay in SBA's "willing to win" state she started with

Huh, forgot about that part in the OP it's been a few months cut me some slack

But wouldnt Mash know about the transmutation already, since that seems like it falls in line with the prior knowledge bit?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Mash will know that Twilight possesses a dangerous ability.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Mash will know that Twilight possesses a dangerous ability.

The OP only says that they're aware of the high hax that's present, not what said hax is. Did Mash start with the one-shot blitz thing in any of the last matches due to this?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The OP only says that they're aware of the high hax that's present, not what said hax is. Did Mash start with the one-shot blitz thing in any of the last matches due to this?

No because last match was a mega skill and ap stomp in his favor

 

[Peppersalt43]

No because last match was a mega skill and ap stomp in his favor

Hang on, isn't this a Mid/High Hax tourney?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Hang on, isn't this a Mid/High Hax tourney?

It's supposed to be, but it's also a magic tournament yet here we are

 

[Peppersalt43]

It's supposed to be, but it's also a magic tournament yet here we are

OK then so the vagueness is questionable. I do recall Mash basically being someone who stomps everyone in his verse so I assume him detecting something threatening isn't something that happens often?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

OK then so the vagueness is questionable. I do recall Mash basically being someone who stomps everyone in his verse so I assume him detecting something threatening isn't something that happens often?

First of all, he doesn't stomp anyone in his verse and gets outclassed a countable amount of times. Second of all, his muscles will warn him of any danger such as when he passed Margarette, and was able to detect the dangers from IZ just from their aura alone.

 

[Peppersalt43]

First of all, he doesn't stomp anyone in his verse and gets outclassed a countable amount of times. Second of all, his muscles will warn him of any danger such as when he passed Margarette, and was able to detect the dangers from IZ just from their aura alone.

Huh, that's unexpected. So he does detect danger occasionally but the moment he does, does he immediately go for that stat amp you said he'd do?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Huh, that's unexpected. So he does detect danger occasionally but the moment he does, does he immediately go for that stat amp you said he'd do?

He uses his Muscle Magic in situations where he needs to. Say a bottle is falling off a cliff and sped up with gravity, he'll use Big Bang Dash to go down and catch it in an instance. He decides he needs to overpower the effects of magnetism? Missile Throw. He needs to destroy multiple blasts of dark magic without touching them from a range? Gaia Burst.

If he sees Twilight teleporting around and senses the danger behind her attacks, he'll go for Big Bang Dash to catch her, and he can do this to fire himself into the air and attack.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

The OP only says that they're aware of the high hax that's present, not what said hax is.

Yep. Mid to high hax.

 

[Peppersalt43]

If he sees Twilight teleporting around and senses the danger behind her attacks, he'll go for Big Bang Dash to catch her, and he can do this to fire himself into the air and attack.

Wait a second, fire himself? So it's not a stat amp, just attack speed?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Wait a second, fire himself? So it's not a stat amp, just attack speed?

No, I just like using figurative language. He both runs with it, and can launch himself into the air as well. If it was simple attack speed Mash wouldn't be Subsonic.

 

[Peppersalt43]

No, I just like using figurative language. He both runs with it, and can launch himself into the air as well. If it was simple attack speed Mash wouldn't be Subsonic.

And how big is the amp again? Just upscaling to blitzing speed?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

And how big is the amp again? Just upscaling to blitzing speed?

It blitzes anyone he comes across. When he did so against Abyss, they didnt even realize their mask was cracked; Against Lance, he sped down a cliff before Lance even realized what had happened; and against Domina, he still did the whole disappear and reappear trick.

 

[Peppersalt43]

It blitzes anyone he comes across. When he did so against Abyss, they didnt even realize their mask was cracked; Against Lance, he sped down a cliff before Lance even realized what had happened; and against Domina, he still did the whole disappear and reappear trick.

OK then, no specific value

If he sees Twilight teleporting around and senses the danger behind her attacks, he'll go for Big Bang Dash to catch her, and he can do this to fire himself into the air and attack.

Mash will know that Twilight possesses a dangerous ability.

So I just realized that this works vice-versa. Assuming Twilight knows how dangerous this opponent is, she'd very likely start with her strongest spell (Among which is the beamless thought transmutation). She's definitely smart enough to do that with this information

 

[AnAverageUsername]

OK then, no specific value


So I just realized that this works vice-versa. Assuming Twilight knows how dangerous this opponent is, she'd very likely start with her strongest spell (Among which is the beamless thought transmutation). She's definitely smart enough to do that with this information

I don't think Big Bang Dash, or any Muscle Magic (not actually magic), would count as mid to high-mid hax

 

[Peppersalt43]

I don't think Big Bang Dash, or any Muscle Magic (not actually magic), would count as mid to high-mid hax

I dunno, being able to blitz and one-shot people seems like a pretty powerful ability. And the crazy amount of skill he has...

Combined with the vagueness of the threat and Twilight wound likely assume the worst

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I dunno, being able to blitz and one-shot people seems like a pretty powerful ability. And the crazy amount of skill he has...

Combined with the vagueness of the threat and Twilight wound likely assume the worst

Skill is far from being hax, but nice compliment to Mash's skill if you think so lol

And I still don't think a stat Amp counts as mid to high-mid hax, it's not something like anti-magic in a magic tournament or hyper regen

 

[Epiccheev]

Skill is far from being hax,

Kids named Hokuto no Ken, Nasuverse, Chinaman LN in the corner:

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Kids named Hokuto no Ken, Nasuverse, Chinaman LN in the corner:

 

[Peppersalt43]

And I still don't think a stat Amp counts as mid to high-mid hax, it's not something like anti-magic in a magic tournament or hyper regen

No the issue is that stat amp reaches instant kill level

 

[AnAverageUsername]

No the issue is that stat amp reaches instant kill level

It's only insant kill level since Twilight is over 11 times weaker than Mash, honestly a skill issue on Twilight's end lol

 

[Peppersalt43]

It's only insant kill level since Twilight is over 11 times weaker than Mash, honestly a skill issue on Twilight's end lol

Either way, that's still dangerous on her end and again, the threat is vague as she wouldn't know how she'd be instantly killed

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Either way, that's still dangerous on her end and again, the threat is vague as she wouldn't know how she'd be instantly killed

Its probably best to ask Arnold if the stat Amp counts under the OP

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Stat amps aren't even hax.

They don't count.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So Twilight won't know about it, yet Mash will know about the dangers of some attacks like Transmutation, see?

 

[Peppersalt43]

So Twilight won't know about it, yet Mash will know about the dangers of some attacks like Transmutation, see?

So basically Mash just seems like a completely harmless guy based on the prior knowledge

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So basically Mash just seems like a completely harmless guy based on the prior knowledge

Yeah, average looking mushroom head teen

 

[Peppersalt43]

Yeah, average looking mushroom head teen

That feels kinda stupid honestly but I'll humor it for now

So currently Mash will just do the speed blitz thing the moment Twilight tries to teleport while Twilight would go for the beamless transmutation if Mash dodges her attack

Anyway teleportation isn't technically Twilight's only defense hax. She can also just make a forcefield or teleport Mash instead of herself (I was gonna say TK but holy shit Mash's LS is pretty crazy)

 

[AnAverageUsername]

That feels kinda stupid honestly but I'll humor it for now

So currently Mash will just do the speed blitz thing the moment Twilight tries to teleport while Twilight would go for the beamless transmutation if Mash dodges her attack

More like he's given the prior knowledge, senses the dangers behind them an goes for the blitz, and one shots.

Anyway teleportation isn't technically Twilight's only defense hax. She can also just make a forcefield or teleport Mash instead of herself

Yeah but I pretty sure any of Mash's attacks are just going to shatter that field just like he shattered Carpaccio's skull (joking he didn't actually kill him)

(I was gonna say TK but holy shit Mash's LS is pretty crazy)

Class Z LS at Country AP

 

[Peppersalt43]

More like he's given the prior knowledge, senses the dangers behind them an goes for the blitz, and one shots.

If he sees Twilight teleporting around and senses the danger behind her attacks, he'll go for Big Bang Dash to catch her, and he can do this to fire himself into the air and attack.

You said in your last comment it's also a combination of him seeing her teleport

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You said in your last comment it's also a combination of him seeing her teleport

Yeah, that's also part of it. It's a mixture. He's of course going to see Twilight is spam teleporting, so that's going to fuel the use of Big Bang Dash.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Yeah, that's also part of it. It's a mixture. He's of course going to see Twilight is spam teleporting, so that's going to fuel the use of Big Bang Dash.

And in contrast if Twilight sees Mash dodge, she'll use the beamless transmutation

 

[AnAverageUsername]

And in contrast if Twilight sees Mash dodge, she'll use the beamless transmutation

That is true, which we've looped back on now it seems, but considering Twilight is just going to see Mash as some random kid while Mash knows Twilight has something dangerous, I feel like Mash will hit that blitz first.

 

[Peppersalt43]

That is true, which we've looped back on now it seems, but considering Twilight is just going to see Mash as some random kid while Mash knows Twilight has something dangerous, I feel like Mash will hit that blitz first.

And having this random kid dodge an attack everyone usually tanks is a pretty dangerous thing and Twilight isn't the one to take chances. Again, both of them will react the moment the other evades an attack

 

[AnAverageUsername]

And having this random kid dodge an attack everyone usually tanks is a pretty dangerous thing and Twilight isn't the one to take chances. Again, both of them will react the moment the other evades an attack

Will Twilight immediately go for the nuclear option though just because someone dodged a beam? Like, are her beginning attacks already the dangerous shit?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Will Twilight immediately go for the nuclear option though just because someone dodged a beam? Like, are her beginning attacks already the dangerous shit?

The beamless transmutation isn't even the worst thing she can do. She's just gonna do that because her opponent has the capacity to avoid it

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The beamless transmutation isn't even the worst thing she can do. She's just gonna do that because her opponent has the capacity to avoid it

Yeah but does she usually go for the nuclear options first? Especially against what she thinks is just an ordinary teen? And why would she go for the instant smite after one dodge?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Yeah but does she usually go for the nuclear options first? Especially against what she thinks is just an ordinary teen? And why would she go for the instant smite after one dodge?

Cause it means he can do it again? And as I said, it's not even the nuclear option for her