2v2 8-B Tournament Semifinals: Tanjiro Kamado and Sasuke Uchiha vs Johnny Test and Isamu (Child Emperor)

[RandomGuy2345]

im a bit busy trying to focus on what i'm doing rn and on here, i'll try to give some input there when i can

The whips will haunt you if you go back on what you say...

 

[Kachon123]

Isamu may be caught in a Genjutsu, but then there are still his Underdog Men that can get him out.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Isamu may be caught in a Genjutsu, but then there are still his Underdog Men that can get him out.

They should be able to do the same for Johnny.

 

[Nierre]

Isamu may be caught in a Genjutsu, but then there are still his Underdog Men that can get him out.

Get him out how?

You do realize that while Isamu is in a genjutsu, Sasuke isn't just going to be standing there right?

 

[Nierre]

They should be able to do the same for Johnny.

Except Tanjiro is still here.

So it's either Tanjiro or Sasuke fighting Isamu and the Underdog Men.

Tanjiro will take them out far easier due to his hax, but he'll probably be better off fighting Johnny since he's so much harder to take out.

Sasuke can just cast a genjutsu on Isamu, and then fight the men. Nothing you've said about these men have proven to me that these men can take out Sasuke who has Analytical Prediction, AP AND Speed Amps with Chakra and Curse Mark, LITERAL information analysis which allows him to determine his opponents next moves and power.

This isn't like Checkers. Sasuke is going to fight back and he will. He has the hax and the means to do so. As well as Tanjiro.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Tanjiro will take them out far easier due to his hax, but he'll probably be better off fighting Johnny since he's so much harder to take out.

Tanjiro will actually be better off fighting off the Underdog Men, since you just said Johnny is much harder to take out. You just countered your own point lol.

This isn't like Checkers. Sasuke is going to fight back and he will. He has the hax and the means to do so. As well as Tanjiro.

I also forgot to mention that Johnny has Teleportation as well. He won't spam it, like, at all, but he will use it if he's in danger. The TP process is instant as well. That'll make him even harder to catch, as he's already pretty mobile without it.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Can't really say much on the Underdog Men. I'll leave that to my partner.

 

[Nierre]

Tanjiro will actually be better off fighting off the Underdog Men, since you just said Johnny is much harder to take out. You just countered your own point lol.

Nah. I said Tanjiro is better off fighting Johnny cause Sasuke will do far worse fighting Johnny than Tanjiro cause of STW.

I also forgot to mention that Johnny has Teleportation as well. He won't spam it, like, at all, but he will use it if he's in danger. The TP process is instant as well. That'll make him even harder to catch, as he's already pretty mobile without it.

Yep. Though that won't really matter here lol. STW allowed Tanjiro to watch two people who were stronger and faster than him in base, in literal slow motion. Then he proceeds to dodge one of their strongest attacks, and utterly blitz them (it's on his profile)

See-Through World: Through becoming aware of every part of his body, and "closing" any unneeded actions out like one would close their eyes when trying to hear something, Tanjiro can enter the See-Through World. His speed and strength increase dramatically, and he becomes capable of seeing through an enemy, becoming able to observe every muscle, blood vessels, lungs, and all their contractions, allowing him to efficiently predict their attacks and movements. Tanjiro's perception of the world also rapidly speeds up, giving him greater speed and reflexes. In this state, his battle spirit, emotions, and intent are impossible to detect.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Yep. Though that won't really matter here lol. STW allowed Tanjiro to watch two people who were stronger and faster than him in base, in literal slow motion. Then he proceeds to dodge one of their strongest attacks, and utterly blitz them (it's on his profile)

Johnny doesn't need to move a muscle to teleport in this key.

See-Through World: Through becoming aware of every part of his body, and "closing" any unneeded actions out like one would close their eyes when trying to hear something, Tanjiro can enter the See-Through World. His speed and strength increase dramatically, and he becomes capable of seeing through an enemy, becoming able to observe every muscle, blood vessels, lungs, and all their contractions, allowing him to efficiently predict their attacks and movements. Tanjiro's perception of the world also rapidly speeds up, giving him greater speed and reflexes. In this state, his battle spirit, emotions, and intent are impossible to detect.

This counters being able to teleport without moving whatsoever?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

All of this doesn't even matter, as Johnny's Broadway Force is more than enough to solo both Tanjiro and Sasuke.

 

[Kachon123]

Get him out how?

• Pain that is not caused by the genjutsu can bring victims back to their senses.[10]
• If a caster's vision is obstructed, such as by the Hiding in Mist Technique, that at least prevents the use of ocular genjutsu

Also, in chapter 26 of Naruto, Zabuza was able to disable Kakashi's Sharingan by covering the area with mist. Isamu can do that as well with his Poison Mist. If Zabuza was able to figure out how the Sharingan worked mid-fight, I don't see why Isamu can't, as he is called the "Psychological Pillar of the Hero Association." Isamu is also a genius analytical fighter, which has also been proved.

And as for the Underdog Men, they can get Isamu out by harming him somehow.

You do realize that while Isamu is in a genjutsu, Sasuke isn't just going to be standing there right?

Sasuke will have to deal with many remote control robots that all scale to >>1.88x Sasuke's ap and dura. The Underdog Men can also self destruct if need be, which if all of them hit Sasuke, should take him out.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

See-Through World: Through becoming aware of every part of his body, and "closing" any unneeded actions out like one would close their eyes when trying to hear something, Tanjiro can enter the See-Through World. His speed and strength increase dramatically, and he becomes capable of seeing through an enemy, becoming able to observe every muscle, blood vessels, lungs, and all their contractions, allowing him to efficiently predict their attacks and movements. Tanjiro's perception of the world also rapidly speeds up, giving him greater speed and reflexes. In this state, his battle spirit, emotions, and intent are impossible to detect.

Also, how does this help Tanjiro take Johnny down? Johnny still has Toon Force, Elasticity, Body Control, and Immense Pain Tolerance. Knowing what your opponent's going to do won't matter if you can't take them down.

 

[Nierre]

This counters being able to teleport without moving whatsoever?

Yes because Tanjiro is getting faster as he uses STW and as he gets faster everything else looks slower. For example

Johnny is at Point A. Tanjiro tries to catch him, but Johnny then appears to Point B. As the chase continues Tanjiro is getting faster and so does his vision, It's not instant teleportation to Tanjiro cause he can keep up and he's rapidly getting faster.

Also, in chapter 26 of Naruto, Zabuza was able to disable Kakashi's Sharingan by covering the area with mist. Isamu can do that as well with his Poison Mist. If Zabuza was able to figure out how the Sharingan worked mid-fight, I don't see why Isamu can't, as he is called the "Psychological Pillar of the Hero Association." Isamu is also a genius analytical fighter, which has also been proved.

Okay first of all, pain is NOT enough to resist Sharingan Genjutsu. Self pain only works to basic D-Tier genjutsus not against Sharingan genjustus. Naruto wasn't able to release himself from Itachi's genjutsu trying to.

Second of all your first link doesn't even bring me to chapter 26.

Third of all Zabuza was able to disable it because he already had former knowledge of the sharingan. Kakashi's nickname is literally Kakashi of the Sharingan. Everybody in Naruto knows what the sharingan is capable of, not Isamu.

And as for the Underdog Men, they can get Isamu out by harming him somehow.

Answered above.

Also are these robots or human? If they aren't human, how would they know to attack Isamu to release him without prior knowledge lmfao. You're literally reaching.

Sasuke will have to deal with many remote control robots that all scale to >>1.88x Sasuke's ap and dura. The Underdog Men can also self destruct if need be, which if all of them hit Sasuke, should take him out.

Information Analysis + Analytical Prediction + Power Mimicry.

 

[Kachon123]

Second of all your first link doesn't even bring me to chapter 26.

OOPS LOL. Here you go

 

[Kachon123]

Third of all Zabuza was able to disable it because he already had former knowledge of the sharingan. Kakashi's nickname is literally Kakashi of the Sharingan. Everybody in Naruto knows what the sharingan is capable of, not Isamu.

Zabuza figured out how the Sharingan worked, after seeing Kakashi copy his hand signs once. It said in the chapter.

 

[Kachon123]

Information Analysis + Analytical Prediction + Power Mimicry.

What are you trying to say here? What will Sasuke copy? How to self destruct?

 

[Nierre]

What are you trying to say here? What will Sasuke copy?

Copy their movements. They're fighting him all at once. With analytical Prediction, he'll always be 1 step ahead. With Power Mimicry, he'll copy their fighting style (although he should already be far better due to being more skilled), and with Information Analysis he'll be able to read their movements and react accordingly.

 

[Kachon123]

Copy their movements. They're fighting him all at once. With analytical Prediction, he'll always be 1 step ahead. With Power Mimicry, he'll copy their fighting style (although he should already be far better due to being more skilled), and with Information Analysis he'll be able to read their movements and react accordingly.

Fighting 3+ distinct fighters, Turrets? Also what about the poison gas I mentioned earlier?

 

[Nierre]

Zabuza figured out how the Sharingan worked, after seeing Kakashi copy his hand signs once. It said in the chapter.

Incorrect. In their very first fight, Haku was watching them and found out how the sharingan works throught the whole fight. With that information, in their second fight, Zabuza was prepared.

 

[Nierre]

Fighting 3+ distinct fighters

Lol you'd have to prove their skill to me, cause fighting 3 distinct fighters sounds like nothing. That's like saying a karate master, a kung fu master, and a thug vs sasuke.

Turrets?

Yes.

Also what about the poison gas I mentioned earlier?

He'll just get away?


You're acting like you've never seen a sharingan user fight before. I know you have. These are literally nothing to LITERALLY Sarada who dodged and reacted to barrages from Deepa and the Lightning girl from the water village. Sasuke's sharingan is of higher tier than hers.

 

[Kachon123]

With analytical Prediction, he'll always be 1 step ahead.

Analytical Prediction (He can predict someone's movements based on the smallest muscle tension thanks to the Sharingan, allowing him to cleanly retaliate and counterattack without wasting any moves

How can you sense the muscle tension of robots?

Incorrect. In their very first fight, Haku was watching them and found out how the sharingan works throught the whole fight. With that information, in their second fight, Zabuza was prepared.

What's stopping Isamu from doing the same as Sasuke is pre-occupied with the Underdog Men and other weapons? He does that in cannon.

He'll just get away?

How will Sasuke know it's Poison. As you saw in chapter 26 of Naruto, when Kakashi (A more seasoned fighter, and sharingan user), got confronted with mist, he didn't just "get away" He looked around.

The poison acts seemingly instant, as right when the monsters breathed it in, they got knocked out.

 

[Nierre]

How can you sense the muscle tension of robots?

That means down to the smallest muscle tension. The fact that they have no muscles means it's going to be easy since they're just metal.

What's stopping Isamu from doing the same as Sasuke is pre-occupied with the Underdog Men and other weapons? He does that in cannon.

Because they're robots and he can't use genjutus on them lol.

How will Sasuke know it's Poison. As you saw in chapter 26 of Naruto, when Kakashi (A more seasoned fighter, and sharingan user), got confronted with mist, he didn't just "get away" He looked around.

Just because Kakashi didn't use Substitution does not mean Sasuke is unable to.

The poison acts seemingly instant, as right when the monsters breathed it in, they got knocked out.

Link isn't working.


Since pain doesnt work as I mentioned before, Isamu is a sitting duck. Sasuke will fight the robots with ease, since he's far more skilled and has sharingan hax, and then deal with Isamu..

 

[Nierre]

Also if they're "remote controlled" then if Sasuke puts them under an illusion they won't even be fighting, they'll just be standing there, because Isamu will think he's fighting Sasuke with the robots, when in fact he's just standing there, much like the robots

 

[Kachon123]

That means down to the smallest muscle tension. The fact that they have no muscles means it's going to be easy since they're just metal.

It said that it predicts someone's movements based on their muscle tension, not down to the smallest muscle tension.

Link isn't working.

Should work now.

Because they're robots and he can't use genjutus on them lol.

Kakashi never used Genjutsu on Zabuza in their first fight, yet Haku was still able to deduce that Genjutsu can't be used when sight is obstructed from seeing Kakashi copy Zabuza's Ninjutsu

Just because Kakashi didn't use Substitution does not mean Sasuke is unable to.

So while Sasuke is fighting 3+ Robots, getting bombarded with turrets shooting at him, and many more, he will be able to realize that the Mist forming around him is Poison, and substitute out of the way? Sounds very far fetched.

Also if they're "remote controlled" then if Sasuke puts them under an illusion they won't even be fighting, they'll just be standing there, because Isamu will think he's fighting Sasuke with the robots, when in fact he's just standing there, much like the robots

The Underdog Men do not need to be controlled. They were fighting without Isamu even being present.

Since pain doesnt work as I mentioned before, Isamu is a sitting duck. Sasuke will fight the robots with ease, since he's far more skilled and has sharingan hax, and then deal with Isamu..

The Illusion used against Naruto was this. Has Sasuke in this key been shown, or stated to be capable of using this genjutsu?

The description is:

This genjutsu traps a victim in a powerful illusion, with no necessary eye contact; similar to Ephemeral, however, direct eye contact can still be applied when using this technique. When used, the genjutsu projects a torrent of crows, leaving the opponent at the user's mercy.

This is clearly different than any Genjutsu that Sasuke has been shown to do. It's on a completely different tier. This one doesn't even need eye contact.

 

[Nierre]

It said that it predicts someone's movements based on their muscle tension, not down to the smallest muscle tension.

So you're saying that Sasuke is able to notice a person's movements based on their muscle tension, which is an extremely hard thing to notice and focus on, he's even able to focus on said person's muscle tension even while they're wearing clothes on (Naruto vs Sasuke in VOTE), but Sasuke won't be able to predict when a piece of junk is swinging at him.

Kakashi never used Genjutsu on Zabuza in their first fight, yet Haku was still able to deduce that Gentjutsu can't be used when sight is obstructed from seeing Kakashi copy Zabuza's Ninjutsu

So what are you trying to say? That Isamu will randomly assume that Sasuke has illusionary prowess and use poison gas to defend against it???????????

The Illusion used against Naruto was this. Has Sasuke in this key been shown, or stated to be capable of using this genjutsu?

The description is:

This is clearly different than any Genjutsu that Sasuke has been shown to do. It's on a completely different tier. This one doesn't even need eye contact.

Ah you're right about that, I completely forgot that was crow jutsu.

But you still never answered my question. Are the robots going to randomly start attacking Isamu without even knowing it's weakness???

Also if they're "remote controlled" then if Sasuke puts them under an illusion they won't even be fighting, they'll just be standing there, because Isamu will think he's fighting Sasuke with the robots, when in fact he's just standing there, much like the robots

Or how about this????

 

[Nierre]

Kakashi never used Genjutsu on Zabuza in their first fight, yet Haku was still able to deduce that Gentjutsu can't be used when sight is obstructed from seeing Kakashi copy Zabuza's Ninjutsu

Also this is wrong.

 

[Kachon123]

So what are you trying to say? That Isamu will randomly assume that Sasuke has illusionary prowess and use poison gas to defend against it???????????

What I'm saying is that he will deduce that Sasuke uses an ocular based ability style, and will try to block that.

Or how about this????

They fight without Isamu doing anything to control them. Look at their fights.

 

[Kachon123]

So while Sasuke is fighting 3+ Robots, getting bombarded with turrets shooting at him, and many more, he will be able to realize that the Mist forming around him is Poison, and substitute out of the way? Sounds very far fetched.

Theres still this.

 

[Nierre]

What I'm saying is that he will deduce that Sasuke uses an ocular based ability style, and will try to block that.

How would he know it's ocular? To him it just looks like he's super skilled and agile lol.

Also this is wrong.

There's also this^

They fight without Isamu doing anything to control them. Look at their fights.

So they aren't remote control like you said they are.

Theres still this.

Uh yeah? You're underestimating Sharingan. And Sasuke. Sasuke was able to fight multi shadow clone jutsu Naruto with sharingan can came out mostly unscathed, he only took major damage when Naruto used his cloak. Sarada fought Deepa who also bombarded her and with a weaker sharingan was able to come out with minor damage.

Sasuke has:

A) Sharingan (Which grants):
A1) Enhanced Sight
A2) Power Mimicry
A3) Analytical Prediction
A4) Information Analysis
A5) Perception and Illusion Creation (not useful against the bots, but against Isamu himself

B) Extremely Acrobatic and Agile

C) Master Taijutsu Practitioner

D) Explosion Tags

E) Stats Amp (Speed and Strength) with:
E1) Cursed Mark Seal 1
E2) Chakra Augmentation

F) Fire Manipulation

And you're telling me that all this isn't enough to beat Isamu. You're yet to tell me how skilled these robots are so I'm going to assume they aren't nearly as skilled as Sasuke in Taijutsu. Unless you can prove me wrong. Otherwise Isamu quite literally gets folded.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I think you're forgetting about Isamu's invisible shields...

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Especially if Sasuke seems "very skilled and agile." He would immediately resort to his shields.

Tanjiro would also have to deal with Isamu's shields, as Isamu can shield Johnny as well. It already sucks that Tanjiro has to deal with someone as tanky as Johnny.

 

[Nierre]

I think you're forgetting about Isamu's invisible shields...

Explosion tags or Wrapping them with wires and setting them on fire.

There's also the fact that well, if they have forcefields around them, then they can't hurt him either, cause it's blocking them from each other

 

[Nierre]

forcefields protect the user from contact but it works both ways. So unless there's an opening for them to attack, then there's no offensive fighting from either side.

Also forcefields aren't invincible. With enough damage they will get destroyed. These robots are just getting thrashed upon by Sasuke eventually they're getting canned.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Explosion tags or Wrapping them with wires and setting them on fire.

Can't say nothing on this. Don't know if Isamu's shields can counter this.

There's also the fact that well, if they have forcefields around them, then they can't hurt him either, cause it's blocking them from each other

Okay? That was never the point. The point was that Isamu can defend himself and Johnny from attacks from both Tanjiro and Sasuke. Isamu and Johnny can definitely think of a plan while they're protected by the shields.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

forcefields protect the user from contact but it works both ways. So unless there's an opening for them to attack, then there's no offensive fighting from either side.

Also forcefields aren't invincible. With enough damage they will get destroyed. These robots are just getting thrashed upon by Sasuke eventually they're getting canned.

Refer to what I said above.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also, how does this help Tanjiro take Johnny down? Johnny still has Toon Force, Elasticity, Body Control, and Immense Pain Tolerance. Knowing what your opponent's going to do won't matter if you can't take them down.

You're also forgetting this.

 

[Nierre]

Okay? That was never the point. The point was that Isamu can defend himself and Johnny from attacks from both Tanjiro and Sasuke. Isamu and Johnny can definitely think of a plan while they're protected by the shields.

I wasn't even referring to Johnny nor Tanjiro.. I was talking about the robots. When Sasuke eventually beats the robots, he's not going to put Isamu in an illusion since he can't actually get to him.

You're also forgetting this.

I'm not forgetting that, I'm choosing not to argue for it because I'm not knowledgeable about Demon Slayer. I've said this already.

 

[Kachon123]

What's stopping Isamu from just freezing Sasuke if he tries to get close.

Even saying that Isamu doesn't resort to freezing him, Isamu still has dozens of weapons, that he can use alongside his Sword and Shield. Isamu also has an almost 2x gap in basic stats.

 

[Kachon123]

Explosion tags or Wrapping them with wires and setting them on fire.

They have flame resistance.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I wasn't even referring to Johnny nor Tanjiro.. I was talking about the robots. When Sasuke eventually beats the robots, he's not going to put Isamu in an illusion since he can't actually get to him.

That means everyone's left at a stalemate here.