2v2 8-B Tournament Semifinals: Tanjiro Kamado and Sasuke Uchiha vs Johnny Test and Isamu (Child Emperor)

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[Nierre]

Man... where is razor

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Razor probably went on vacation since it's the holidays.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I've tried contacting other Demon Slayer supporters, but literally none of them have responded yet.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

This sucks.

We had 1 day of good debating on this thread...

This is a really even matchup too.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

A major advantage Tanjiro has is that Demon Slayer characters release overwhelming aura/Battle Spirit which should paralyze the opposition and fill them with fear (though not the robots).

The second advantage Tanjiro has is in speed; his precog allows him to amp his speed to react to attacks from opponent who he can move too fast for him to normally see.

The Fake Rainbow technique leaves an after image that is more likely to fool the opponent the better their eyesight is.

Once he activates the Transparent World amp, said opponent (when more serious and moving faster to counter an amped Giyu) appears to move in slow motion, and his speed drastically increases.

Believe both him and Sasuke with the Curse Mark can close the gap and outskill/outspeed.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

A major advantage Tanjiro has is that Demon Slayer characters release overwhelming aura/Battle Spirit which should paralyze the opposition and fill them with fear (though not the robots).

The second advantage Tanjiro has is in speed; his precog allows him to amp his speed to react to attacks from opponent who he can move too fast for him to normally see.

The Fake Rainbow technique leaves an after image that is more likely to fool the opponent the better their eyesight is.

Once he activates the Transparent World amp, said opponent (when more serious and moving faster to counter an amped Giyu) appears to move in slow motion, and his speed drastically increases.

Believe both him and Sasuke with the Curse Mark can close the gap and outskill/outspeed.

Though how is Sasuke and Tanjiro getting past Isamu's invisible shields which he can add extra layers on to make it even harder?

Plus, how are they taking down Johnny? He is literally a tank.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also, thank you very very very much for giving your input on Tanjiro. Needed it bad.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Child Emperor needs a roof and prep to make the Irritating Shield and it is on one direction:

When he stacked it, it was in a hallway:

So not really usable in the arena, and Tanjiro/Sasuke can easily go around it if it was somehow deployable.

The umbrella shield is visible:

But it would make Child Emperor a sitting duck and incapable of attacking or deploying robots, so turtling up isn't a sustainable tactic.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Child Emperor needs a roof and prep to make the Irritating Shield and it is on one direction:

When he stacked it, it was in a hallway:

So not really usable in the arena, and Tanjiro/Sasuke can easily go around it if it was somehow deployable.

The umbrella shield is visible:

But it would make Child Emperor a sitting duck and incapable of attacking or deploying robots, so turtling up isn't a sustainable tactic.

Can't really say nothing on this. Not knowledgeable enough to make a counter.

But how is Tanjiro or Sasuke taking down Johnny?

 

[Kachon123]

A major advantage Tanjiro has is that Demon Slayer characters release overwhelming aura/Battle Spirit which should paralyze the opposition and fill them with fear (though not the robots).

The second advantage Tanjiro has is in speed; his precog allows him to amp his speed to react to attacks from opponent who he can move too fast for him to normally see.

The Fake Rainbow technique leaves an after image that is more likely to fool the opponent the better their eyesight is.

Once he activates the Transparent World amp, said opponent (when more serious and moving faster to counter an amped Giyu) appears to move in slow motion, and his speed drastically increases.

Believe both him and Sasuke with the Curse Mark can close the gap and outskill/outspeed.

Can Tanjiro deal with over 8 things fighting him at once? 3+ Underdog Men, CE's Dozens on backpack blades, turrets, and Energy Blade? This is not including the missiles with adhesives, which could temporarily hold Tanjiro.

 

[Kachon123]

Child Emperor needs a roof and prep to make the Irritating Shield and it is on one direction:

When he stacked it, it was in a hallway:

CE has had his underdog men to hold it up for him.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

@Nierre really chose the worst time to be inactive lol.

 

[Nierre]

Can Tanjiro deal with over 8 things fighting him at once? 3+ Underdog Men, CE's Dozens on backpack blades, turrets, and Energy Blade? This is not including the missiles with adhesives, which could temporarily hold Tanjiro.

Once he activates the Transparent World amp, said opponent (when more serious and moving faster to counter an amped Giyu) appears to move in slow motion, and his speed drastically increases.

Easily.

But how is Tanjiro or Sasuke taking down Johnny?

Illusions or Genjutsus should be able to take care of him. Granted it's out of character for him to use his genjutsus but when his opponent is hard to take down (like Johnny), then he won't hesitate. Also in CM1 he's completely bloodlusted, so an easy genjutsu -> restraining or even breaking his legs or arms will do the trick.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Illusions or Genjutsus should be able to take care of him. Granted it's out of character for him to use his genjutsus but when his opponent is hard to take down (like Johnny), then he won't hesitate. Also in CM1 he's completely bloodlusted, so an easy genjutsu -> restraining or even breaking his legs or arms will do the trick.

This is assuming that Sasuke can even land a hit on Johnny due to Isamu's shields. Breaking Johnny's legs or arms won't do much due to Johnny's Pain Tolerance and Regen. This is also assuming that Sasuke can reach Johnny, or if Johnny would even let this happen.

 

[Nierre]

This is assuming that Sasuke can even land a hit on Johnny due to Isamu's shields. Breaking Johnny's legs or arms won't do much due to Johnny's Pain Tolerance and Regen. This is also assuming that Sasuke can reach Johnny, or if Johnny would even let this happen.

This is all assuming that Sasuke didn't put them under an illusion to begin with. Which as I said, at some point he will do.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

This is all assuming that Sasuke didn't put them under an illusion to begin with. Which as I said, at some point he will do.

Isamu should be smart enough to know that these are illusions and will tell Johnny not to approach the situation recklessly.

 

[Kachon123]

This is all assuming that Sasuke didn't put them under an illusion to begin with. Which as I said, at some point he will do.

CE is immune to mind manip.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

CE is immune to mind manip.

This further supports my point about CE telling Johnny about the illusions.

 

[Nierre]

CE is immune to mind manip.

Why does it say Limited. And what does it mean when it says "Temporarily broke out"

Regardless it's impossible to break out of sharingan genjutsu with willpower, there are specific ways to break out of them in verse, and willpower is most certainly not one of them.

 

[Kachon123]

Why does it say Limited. And what does it mean when it says "Temporarily broke out"

Phoenix Man used the ability on him again. Isamu could've broken out again, but Saitama broke it before he could.

 

[Nierre]

Mind you regular Mind Manipulation in Naruto IS possible to break out of via willpower (like Ino's jutsu). But not even the sleep genjutsu Kakashi put on Sakura is able to be broken out of via willpower as she couldn't break out of it (and she even has high chakra control) and Sharingan Genjutsu is FAR FAR above that.

 

[Kachon123]

Also, I don't know why it's limited.

 

[Nierre]

Anyways I'll vote for Sasuke and Tanjiro via Speed Amps, Precog, and Genjutsu.

 

[Kachon123]

Also, Sasuke in this key doesn't have Illusions. He only has resistance against Illusions.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'll vote for Johnny and Isamu via Shields, Johnny being a tank, Isamu's intel, Arsenal, and more I'm probably missing.

 

[Kachon123]

Also voting Johnny and Isamu.

 

[Nierre]

Also, Sasuke in this key doesn't have Illusions. He only has resistance against Illusions.

Uh no, Sharingan grants Illusions, his profile just isn't updated lol.
Every Sharigan user has Illusions. Sarada used it with literally 1 tomoe. Sasuke has 3 in this key.

 

[Nierre]

I can't see how they can win when they have the speed advantage, Tanjiro can literally see them both in slow motion, Sasuke has illusions.

 

[Nierre]

Like I can see how they have the durability or endurance or even stamina to "last a long time" but there's so much you can do against a dude with precog who can see others in slow motion, another dude who can literally read muscle movements AND has illusions. They BOTH have speed amps btw.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

How is Tanjiro and Sasuke getting past Isamu's shields, which he can stack extra layers on for more defense?

Isamu should have a counter for the illusions, and he should be able to warn Johnny about them as well.

Isamu has many things in his arsenal to distract Tanjiro and Sasuke here.

Plus, having precog, reading muscle movements, seeing people in slow motion, and speed amps only helps you with getting more hits on your opponent. Isamu can use his shields to protect him and Johnny from the attacks, and Johnny can just... survive. In this scenario, you're at best getting a inconclusive.

 

[Nierre]

Isamu should have a counter for the illusions, and he should be able to warn Johnny about them as well.

He doesn't.

Mind you regular Mind Manipulation in Naruto IS possible to break out of via willpower (like Ino's jutsu). But not even the sleep genjutsu Kakashi put on Sakura is able to be broken out of via willpower as she couldn't break out of it (and she even has high chakra control) and Sharingan Genjutsu is FAR FAR above that.

Isamu has many things in his arsenal to distract Tanjiro and Sasuke here.

STW grants slow motion vision, Tanjiro himself can handle them lol

Plus, having precog, reading muscle movements, seeing people in slow motion, and speed amps only helps you with getting more hits on your opponent. Isamu can use his shields to protect him and Johnny from the attacks, and Johnny can just... survive. In this scenario, you're at best getting a inconclusive.

?????? Illusions + breaking the bones in his body and perhaps killing him.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

STW grants slow motion vision, Tanjiro himself can handle them lol

It's still a distraction regardless.

?????? Illusions + breaking the bones in his body and perhaps killing him.

The abilities you listed only help Tanjiro and Sasuke read their opponent easier. It doesn't help them take down someone as tanky as Johnny. Plus, Isamu's shields still come into play here. Breaking bones shouldn't be a problem for Johnny, as stated many times before. Isamu just has to be careful here.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also @Nierre, can you give more input on the Johnny vs Cinder thread if possible?

 

[Kachon123]

He doesn't.

Resistance agains mind manip.

 

[Nierre]

Resistance agains mind manip.

Not how it works in Naruto. It takes more than just willpower to resist mind manipulation. Stop Stonewalling I've already explained this and quoted myself.

Mind you regular Mind Manipulation in Naruto IS possible to break out of via willpower (like Ino's jutsu). But not even the sleep genjutsu Kakashi put on Sakura is able to be broken out of via willpower as she couldn't break out of it (and she even has high chakra control) and Sharingan Genjutsu is FAR FAR above that.

 

[Kachon123]

Mind you regular Mind Manipulation in Naruto IS possible to break out of via willpower (like Ino's jutsu). But not even the sleep genjutsu Kakashi put on Sakura is able to be broken out of via willpower as she couldn't break out of it (and she even has high chakra control) and Sharingan Genjutsu is FAR FAR above that.

Can you prove that Sasuke has Genjutsu on the level of Kakashi's? Kakashi is a literal prodigy, and a high level Jonin. He was even in the Anbu at some point.

 

[Nierre]

Can you prove that Sasuke has Genjutsu on the level of Kakashi's? Kakashi is a literal prodigy, and a high level Jonin. He was even in the Anbu at some point.

First of all, That specific genjutsu is not at "the level of kakashi". It's a D-Rank Jutsu, which is the second lowest rank in the system. Second of all, Sharingan Genjutsu is far higher than D rank:

"By establishing eye contact with a target, the Sharingan user traps them within a genjutsu which can be exploited for one of various purposes, such as: causing instantaneous — but temporary — loss of consciousness or paralysis in the target,[2][3] forceful extraction of information,[4][5] relaying memories,[6] erasing memories,[7] removing genjutsu placed on the target by others,[8] and controlling a target's actions."


We've already seen what Sarada, a weaker uchiha, and a far less experienced Sharingan user can do. Sasuke should be able to do what she can do at the very least.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

First of all, That specific genjutsu is not at "the level of kakashi". It's a D-Rank Jutsu, which is the second lowest rank in the system. Second of all, Sharingan Genjutsu is far higher than D rank:

"By establishing eye contact with a target, the Sharingan user traps them within a genjutsu which can be exploited for one of various purposes, such as: causing instantaneous — but temporary — loss of consciousness or paralysis in the target,[2][3] forceful extraction of information,[4][5] relaying memories,[6] erasing memories,[7] removing genjutsu placed on the target by others,[8] and controlling a target's actions."


We've already seen what Sarada, a weaker uchiha, and a far less experienced Sharingan user can do. Sasuke should be able to do what she can do at the very least.

This is cool and all, bUt WhErE's ThE jOhNnY Vs CiNdEr InPuT?

 

[Nierre]

This is cool and all, bUt WhErE's ThE jOhNnY Vs CiNdEr InPuT?

im a bit busy trying to focus on what i'm doing rn and on here, i'll try to give some input there when i can