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Hello uh, you know how the gods of destruction scale to "at least low 2-C" because two GoDs together are capable of performing a 2-C feat? This means the GoDs scale to "half 2-C" so the difference between them and 2-C is 2x. This is how the angels are scaled to 2-C. Anyway there are actually several characters that scale higher than the GoDs that I think should be scaled to 2-C. The characters I want upgraded are sign 3 Goku, full power Jiren, UI Goku, hidden power Jiren, Broly and blue Gogeta.
Lets start with Jiren, so in pretty much every media Jiren is in he's stated "the mortal stronger than the gods" or "the mortal which surpasses even his own god of destruction" and being repeatedly stated to be the strongest person the cast ever fought and having the most powerful ki, in this video Whis says "there exists a mortal even a god of destruction can't defeat" which we now know is Jiren and he also says "and that GoD happens to be even more powerful than Beerus", this we know as Belmod is confirmed to be superior to Beerus even if it's only at arm wrestling and Beerus is already supposed to be superior to some of the other GoDs and it's even on his justification. Even Jirens profile scales him at full power to be on the GoDs level and perhaps even greater, this is all evidence to suggest Jiren being easily more superior to the GoDs, so the scaling chain would go, half low 2-C < Beerus < Belmod < Jiren. I feel this is enough to justify Jiren closing the 2x gap and reaching 2-C.
Sign 3 Goku matched full power Jiren and is stated to "step over the state of the Gods” so he scales to 2-C as well.
Then we got the easy ones, UI Goku and hidden power Jiren. Once Goku reaches UI he easily blitzes Jiren at full power, nullifies his strongest attack that was changing a whole half of the world of void into a tiny fodder energy ball by one tapping it, then proceeds to stomp him effortlessly. This is more than enough to justify UI Goku getting 2-C and being far above the baseline and it's actually unknown how big this power boost is but all we know is that it's massive. Jiren of course powers up and breaks his limits and is able to fight and knock down UI Goku multiple times but then UI Goku gets even stronger and slaps Jiren. So the scaling chain would go, half low 2-C < Beerus < Belmod < full power Jiren = sign 3 Goku <<<(?) hidden power Jiren < UI Goku.
Now for Broly and Gogeta, Broly scales to Beerus and is stated "probably even stronger than Beerus", Gogeta utterly stomped Broly in their fight, he was getting overpowered in his normal SSJ but once he went SSB, Broly didn't get a single hit in and was being toyed with by casual Gogeta and it's unknown how much higher Gogeta is than Broly. So Gogeta would scale like this, half low 2-C < Beerus < Broly <<<(?) SSB Gogeta.
Every character will get Low multiverse level and keep the same justifications, although I see that the angels have "likely" which is strange so maybe the final result will be along the lines of "At least universe+, likely low multiversal" but I guess I will see later. And um, uh yeah thanks for reading yeah.
Edit: After some discussion, I proved that it requires you to be at least 2x your opponents power or more in order to stomp, this proves that MUI Goku, SSB Gogeta and Hidden power Jiren all scale to "low multiverse level" and keep the same justifications, Sign 3 Goku, Broly and full power Jiren don't have this huge power gap but they have a wide scaling chain far above "half 2-C", from the context of the show and and logic we can say that they likely closed the 2x power gap but nothing definitive so they get "At least universe+, likely low multiversal" and keep the same justifications, the angels should also flat out get the tier since they easily stomp GoDs as well.
Lets start with Jiren, so in pretty much every media Jiren is in he's stated "the mortal stronger than the gods" or "the mortal which surpasses even his own god of destruction" and being repeatedly stated to be the strongest person the cast ever fought and having the most powerful ki, in this video Whis says "there exists a mortal even a god of destruction can't defeat" which we now know is Jiren and he also says "and that GoD happens to be even more powerful than Beerus", this we know as Belmod is confirmed to be superior to Beerus even if it's only at arm wrestling and Beerus is already supposed to be superior to some of the other GoDs and it's even on his justification. Even Jirens profile scales him at full power to be on the GoDs level and perhaps even greater, this is all evidence to suggest Jiren being easily more superior to the GoDs, so the scaling chain would go, half low 2-C < Beerus < Belmod < Jiren. I feel this is enough to justify Jiren closing the 2x gap and reaching 2-C.
Sign 3 Goku matched full power Jiren and is stated to "step over the state of the Gods” so he scales to 2-C as well.
Then we got the easy ones, UI Goku and hidden power Jiren. Once Goku reaches UI he easily blitzes Jiren at full power, nullifies his strongest attack that was changing a whole half of the world of void into a tiny fodder energy ball by one tapping it, then proceeds to stomp him effortlessly. This is more than enough to justify UI Goku getting 2-C and being far above the baseline and it's actually unknown how big this power boost is but all we know is that it's massive. Jiren of course powers up and breaks his limits and is able to fight and knock down UI Goku multiple times but then UI Goku gets even stronger and slaps Jiren. So the scaling chain would go, half low 2-C < Beerus < Belmod < full power Jiren = sign 3 Goku <<<(?) hidden power Jiren < UI Goku.
Now for Broly and Gogeta, Broly scales to Beerus and is stated "probably even stronger than Beerus", Gogeta utterly stomped Broly in their fight, he was getting overpowered in his normal SSJ but once he went SSB, Broly didn't get a single hit in and was being toyed with by casual Gogeta and it's unknown how much higher Gogeta is than Broly. So Gogeta would scale like this, half low 2-C < Beerus < Broly <<<(?) SSB Gogeta.
Edit: After some discussion, I proved that it requires you to be at least 2x your opponents power or more in order to stomp, this proves that MUI Goku, SSB Gogeta and Hidden power Jiren all scale to "low multiverse level" and keep the same justifications, Sign 3 Goku, Broly and full power Jiren don't have this huge power gap but they have a wide scaling chain far above "half 2-C", from the context of the show and and logic we can say that they likely closed the 2x power gap but nothing definitive so they get "At least universe+, likely low multiversal" and keep the same justifications, the angels should also flat out get the tier since they easily stomp GoDs as well.
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