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If I have 2-A AP, I can't have less range because this will goes against any logics in fiction, but if I have 2-A range, nothing here implies I need to effect it, it'd called range, not AP.
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2-A Precog and Fate hax revision
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PrinceofPein
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so I guess you did not read the OP, no one said you have to affect the structure, please read my points carefully
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No, because you did not presents a single valid argument in your whole OP, let alone not presenting a single fictional instance.
Prince, I see you ain't updating ur vote tally
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I did, but she's conflating "affecting" as in to alter and my usage of "affecting" which is more interaction.
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OK just to be more clear , is this 2-B range or Just Low 2-C range for precognition ?
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the vsbw wiki defintion of the tiering system proves my point lmao
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You here equated range and AP to give argument.
Again, it's not my burden to prove if your logic is valid, it's yours to prove if it works on any fictional works.
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2-B lmao, how is that low 2-C
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That's kinda what this thread says ,just replace millions with infinite.
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argument got debunked too hard
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The whole range is not even about effecting, so I don't know why we need to treat AP and range as the same. I still disagree. Viewing infinite timelines or futures is our definition of 2-A range, effecting them is 2-A potency.
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it is fine the people that need to approve of the thread will understand, I do not need you to.
Thread is one hour old, at this moment
Then she did not read the OP carefully
No it is you reading it wrong.
the qualification for 2-A precog should be seeing a baseline 2-A structure in its entirety, it is simple as that
prove what exactly? it is simple logic. All what I need is in the OP
if this revision passes, 3-A. but Strange has other feats for 2-A, that are valid
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That's indeed a very good example to ask about.
Personally? That's Low 2-C range, as he's going at it one by one, but going at it extremely fast.
Could be wrong though.
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Or, well, "high 3-A" because of standards shenanigans, true.
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Based on the arguments presented ,I'm neutral.
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Alright no evidence of your whole OP
I don't see how is this an excuse
I did and I am disagreeing that both needs to be treated the same.
And this is range not AP
Nothing proven, give instances, give evidences. Simply saying its logic is easy to throw, not to convince.
???????? IT LITERALLY SAID ALTERNATE TIMELINES??
More reasons to disagree.
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Because he's not watching the entire timeline from origin to finish, he's looking specifically for the battle with Thanos and details pertaining to that. It's specific.
That's why Pain says Strange indeed has other instances of 2-A range. But that specific one is not it.
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it said 14 million alternate futures and not timelines, there is a big difference.
Also he forwarded time and looked at what happens based on choices and decisions made, that was what he did. And not check other timelines
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Please all posts are derailing at this point and staffs will not be able to evaluate this if it gets bulky, so please let the messages stop and so they can evaluate this
I will stop replying to vapid(ultima taught me the word) arguments from now on
I will stop replying to vapid(ultima taught me the word) arguments from now on
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I disagree FRA
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alternate futures are still things that will/could happen
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Precog can never include entire Spacetime continuum as it doesn't involve past. Also I am not sure why a precog user should be seeing "end" of infinite, that's self contradictory unless timelines are bound to be destroyed at the end and aren't infinite in future to begin with.
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Infinite futures can mean alternate timelines based on context.
Seeing significant parts of infinite futures is still 2-A according to tiering system.
Seeing significant parts of infinite futures is still 2-A according to tiering system.
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Fiction be damned, huh
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Even fiction, cannot have end of infinite. It's basically will be another lvl of infinite that is defined in maths w/o establishing a edge for previous infinite. Abilities like this just goes with what is given.
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Now that's you applying standards that may or may not be supported on the fiction itself. Be careful with generalizations, there's always that specific case.
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If there is edge/end of infinite in fiction. Then it's not infinite. Either the infinite itself is flowery or the edge.
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you do not have to destroy the past to qualify for tier 2, the present to all points in time in the future will get you tier 2 also.
Also infinite already has an end in tier 2 so that is not self contradictory in fiction, logically, if it does not have an end then you cannot destroy it.
So seeing the end of infinite here is just my term for being able to see the present till the entirety of the future which we consider infinite here. which is also the baseline for tier 2 and the range should also follow the same procedures.
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I don't think we know the same standards and same Tiering system then
Also I don't get the other points at all, but regardless [[affecting entire past, present and future]] has been wrote in our page.
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You said how can you see the end of infinite, and I am also asking you the same question how can an attack encompass infinite?I don't think we know the same standards and same Tiering system then
Since you do not seem to understand that it is a one size fit all.
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Infinite attack speed exist pain. You can warp, destroy all of structure at once but basically "watching the end" is self contradictory.
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it is not though, which is the point, in fiction if someone can travel an infinite space in an instant, then it is also possible to see the end of it.
I really do not even get your argument, cause it sounds to be that you are saying able to travel infinite space and destroy uncountable infinite space is possible but it is not possible to see the end of an infinite space
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Because there is no end, you gotta destroy infinite with infinite speed, you're travelling equal distance, when it comes to real numbers, there is no small or big real number, all are same. To see the end, means it's not infinite.
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Seeing the end of infinite is just the term used to shorten the timeline.
And low 2-C involves the destruction of a timeline, which can mean from the past till the end of time or present till the end of time in the future of that timeline, point is the attack has to travel to every point in that timeline and destroy it to be low 2-C.
So someone with such range for precog too should be able to see every point in the timeline, from the present till the end of the said timeline or at least infinite time
Except technically, destruction of a timeline is done by someone based on our standards higher than infinite speed to begin with. and it can also mean someone with low 2-C precog has infinite speed since they need to go through infinite information
And also if someone can destroy infinite universes or infinite universe, it means they need to be able to encompass the entire structure to begin with. so what do you mean there is no end? it is just nonsense, in higher dimensions the infinite lower D is no longer infinite and our standards are based on that.
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I can understand that seeing the end of something that's supposedly infinity just doesn't make sense though I feel like that discussion in itself was just a case of bad phrasing.
There are sensory powers that can see the be entirety of infinite structure though they aren't treated or described on this site as seeing the end of the supposed infinite structure just that they can see the whole thing at once so maybe rephrasing the requirement of seeing "the end" of a supposedly infinite timeline to the entirety of it at once would be better.
There are sensory powers that can see the be entirety of infinite structure though they aren't treated or described on this site as seeing the end of the supposed infinite structure just that they can see the whole thing at once so maybe rephrasing the requirement of seeing "the end" of a supposedly infinite timeline to the entirety of it at once would be better.
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