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If I have 2-A AP, I can't have less range because this will goes against any logics in fiction, but if I have 2-A range, nothing here implies I need to effect it, it'd called range, not AP.
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so I guess you did not read the OP, no one said you have to affect the structure, please read my points carefullyIf I have 2-A AP, I can't have less range because this will goes against any logics in fiction, but if I have 2-A range, nothing here implies I need to effect it, it'd called range, not AP.
No, because you did not presents a single valid argument in your whole OP, let alone not presenting a single fictional instance.Please stop derailing
Provide valid arguments, it is like saying we should give planetary range cause someone can affect a city on a planet.
I did, but she's conflating "affecting" as in to alter and my usage of "affecting" which is more interaction.so I guess you did not read the OP, no one said you have to affect the structure, please read my points carefully
OK just to be more clear , is this 2-B range or Just Low 2-C range for precognition ?Provide valid arguments, it is like saying we should give planetary range cause someone can affect a city on a planet.
the vsbw wiki defintion of the tiering system proves my point lmaoPlease stop derailing
Provide valid arguments, it is like saying we should give planetary range cause someone can affect a city on a planet.
so I guess you did not read the OP, no one said you have to affect the structure, please read my points carefully
You here equated range and AP to give argument.Hopefully, this will be simple,
1. we have quite a number of character who have 4D fate or precognition based on the fact that they can see infinite futures.
The problem here is that, to qualify for 2-A you need to affect infinite universe/space-time continuums, while seeing all possible or infinite futures is vague and we do not know if the different futures they see, they see it till the end of infinite time for each one, or rather we know they do not see it till the end of infinite time hence this is not 2-A, since they are seeing a short period of a timeline branched out infinitely and just few moments of the branches are seen and not the entire timeline that branches out so this would not qualify for 2-A fate/precognition range. 2-A range should be treated as 2-A AP, able to cover infinite space-time continuums.
Destruction of moments, even infinite moments of a universe is High 3-A, so seeing infinite moments certainly is not 2-A by the same standards.
2-B lmao, how is that low 2-COK just to be more clear , is this 2-B range or Just Low 2-C range for precognition ?
That's kinda what this thread says ,just replace millions with infinite.how is that low 2-C
argument got debunked too hardPrince, I see you ain't updating ur vote tally
it is fine the people that need to approve of the thread will understand, I do not need you to.No, because you did not presents a single valid argument in your whole OP, let alone not presenting a single fictional instance.
Thread is one hour old, at this momentPrince, I see you ain't updating ur vote tally
Then she did not read the OP carefullyI did, but she's conflating "affecting" as in to alter and my usage of "affecting" which is more interaction.
No it is you reading it wrong.You here equated range and AP to give argument.
prove what exactly? it is simple logic. All what I need is in the OPAgain, it's not my burden to prove if your logic is valid, it's yours to prove if it works on any fictional works.
if this revision passes, 3-A. but Strange has other feats for 2-A, that are validOK just to be more clear , is this 2-B range or Just Low 2-C range for precognition ?
That's indeed a very good example to ask about.OK just to be more clear , is this 2-B range or Just Low 2-C range for precognition ?
Or, well, "high 3-A" because of standards shenanigans, true.if this revision passes, High 3-A. but Strange has other feats for 2-A, that are valid
Alright no evidence of your whole OPit is fine the people that need to approve of the thread will understand, I do not need you to.
I don't see how is this an excuseThread is one hour old, at this moment
I did and I am disagreeing that both needs to be treated the same.Then she did not read the OP carefully
And this is range not APNo it is you reading it wrong.
the qualification for 2-A precog should be seeing a baseline 2-A structure in its entirety, it is simple as that
Nothing proven, give instances, give evidences. Simply saying its logic is easy to throw, not to convince.prove what exactly? it is simple logic. All what I need is in the OP
???????? IT LITERALLY SAID ALTERNATE TIMELINES??if this revision passes, High 3-A. but Strange has other feats for 2-A, that are valid
Because he's not watching the entire timeline from origin to finish, he's looking specifically for the battle with Thanos and details pertaining to that. It's specific.???????? IT LITERALLY SAID ALTERNATE TIMELINES??
it said 14 million alternate futures and not timelines, there is a big difference.IT LITERALLY SAID ALTERNATE TIMELINES??
alternate futures are still things that will/could happenit said 14 million alternate futures and not timelines, there is a big difference.
Also he forwarded time and looked at what happens based on choices and decisions made, that was what he did. And not check other timelines
Fiction be damned, huhPrecog can never include entire Spacetime continuum as it doesn't involve past. Also I am not sure why a precog user should be seeing "end" of infinite, that's self contradictory unless timelines are bound to be destroyed at the end and aren't infinite in future to begin with.
Even fiction, cannot have end of infinite. It's basically will be another lvl of infinite that is defined in maths w/o establishing a edge for previous infinite. Abilities like this just goes with what is given.Fiction be damned, huh
Now that's you applying standards that may or may not be supported on the fiction itself. Be careful with generalizations, there's always that specific case.Even fiction, cannot have end of infinite. It's basically will be another lvl of infinite that is defined in maths w/o establishing a edge for previous infinite. Abilities like this just goes with what is given.
If there is edge/end of infinite in fiction. Then it's not infinite. Either the infinite itself is flowery or the edge.Now that's you applying standards that may or may not be supported on the fiction itself. Be careful with generalizations, there's always that specific case.
you do not have to destroy the past to qualify for tier 2, the present to all points in time in the future will get you tier 2 also.Precog can never include entire Spacetime continuum as it doesn't involve past. Also I am not sure why a precog user should be seeing "end" of infinite, that's self contradictory unless timelines are bound to be destroyed at the end and aren't infinite in future to begin with.
I don't think we know the same standards and same Tiering system thenAlso infinite already has an end in tier 2 so that is not self contradictory in fiction, logically, if it does not have an end then you cannot destroy it.
You said how can you see the end of infinite, and I am also asking you the same question how can an attack encompass infinite?I don't think we know the same standards and same Tiering system then
Infinite attack speed exist pain. You can warp, destroy all of structure at once but basically "watching the end" is self contradictory.You said how can you see the end of infinite, and I am also asking you the same question how can an attack encompass infinite?
Since you do not seem to understand that it is a one size fit all.
it is not though, which is the point, in fiction if someone can travel an infinite space in an instant, then it is also possible to see the end of it.Infinite attack speed exist pain. You can warp, destroy all of structure at once but basically "watching the end" is self contradictory.
Because there is no end, you gotta destroy infinite with infinite speed, you're travelling equal distance, when it comes to real numbers, there is no small or big real number, all are same. To see the end, means it's not infinite.it is not though, which is the point, in fiction if someone can travel an infinite space in an instant, then it is also possible to see the end of it.
I really do not even get your argument, cause it sounds to be that you are saying able to travel infinite space and destroy uncountable infinite space is possible but it is not possible to see the end of an infinite space
Seeing the end of infinite is just the term used to shorten the timeline.Seeing the "end" of an infinite space/time is just silliness incarnate. It's not comparable to crossing or covering infinite distance with attacks since that can just happen with no end necessarily involved.
Except technically, destruction of a timeline is done by someone based on our standards higher than infinite speed to begin with. and it can also mean someone with low 2-C precog has infinite speed since they need to go through infinite informationBecause there is no end, you gotta destroy infinite with infinite speed, you're travelling equal distance, when it comes to real numbers, there is no small or big real number, all are same. To see the end, means it's not infinite.