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Deagonx

Deagonx

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  • It's very rare for me to look at threads that are posted on my wall. You are free to ask, but unless it is a verse I am already interested in, it is not likely that I will respond to it.
    Palito266
    From the thread, what other nerfs will you do for the verse?
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    Palito266
    Palito266
    I don't really think it'd be that long but that aside, I meant more as a whole, like, are you just doing resistances or things like speed or tier?
    Deagonx
    Deagonx
    I am not sure yet. I haven't thoroughly looked into the tiers and speed feats. For now I am focusing on abilities.
    Palito266
    Palito266
    Ah, alright thank you.
    God243
    Are you good about abstract existence type 2?
    Tanin_iver
    The question is relevant to the thread at hand. You do not have to close the thread. They can easily respond to it. Its generally hard to get a grasp on them in DMs or in a FAQ thread. I already pinged them in multiple FAQ threads but to no avail. I hope u understand that it is not that difficult for you to keep the thread open a bit longer to get my responses.

    I am already pressed for time and can barely manage to get some time to respond here.
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    Deagonx
    Deagonx
    Idk why u have such a problem with me asking questions
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    They are both constantly inundated with questions, the point was to simplify the discussion in such a way that they could clear up any remaining ambiguity that you were holding on to in one fell swoop. If you wanted certain questions added, you should have specified that beforehand.

    U simply close threads without having any sort of conclusion by any of the staff. U just need votes as an excuse to rush and close threads.
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    Does "rushing" just mean any closure before you personally are satisfied? It was over two weeks and 9 pages, with 8 staff members voting, none of whom agreed with adding a spatial axis. These are clearly just sour grapes because the upgrade failed and you're looking for an excuse, you want to blame it on me instead of a bad argument.

    Ik what it means. You know I was right about that so u stopped arguing about it.
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    "Knowing" someone was right does not mean you've conceded, the definition of the word concede means you actually admit that. Further, you are not a psychic. Don't make false claims of me "conceding" because you've imagined in your mind that I "knew you were right about it" and that was the reason that I stopped arguing. I stopped arguing because it was clear you would not listen to what I was saying, and I thought the disagreement could be resolved by showing you that the FAQ's authors agreed with me, which they did. You were wrong about the FAQ, I did not "concede" nor was I persuaded by your arguments.
    Tanin_iver
    Tanin_iver
    They are both constantly inundated with questions, the point was to simplify the discussion in such a way that they could clear up any remaining ambiguity that you were holding on to in one fell swoop. If you wanted certain questions added, you should have specified that beforehand.
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    That doesn't mean that I am not free to ask them, just because they are inundated with questions.
    Did u specify beforehand that u will ping them to the thread and ask me if I have any more questions or anything to add extra to something new that they might come up with?
    Does "rushing" just mean any closure before you personally are satisfied? It was over two weeks and 9 pages, with 8 staff members voting, none of whom agreed with adding a spatial axis. These are clearly just sour grapes because the upgrade failed and you're looking for an excuse, you want to blame it on me instead of a bad argument.
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    Its weird and ironic that u keep bringing up votes but u urself refused a thread closure when u were losing a thread by 2x vote lead. Also no, not about personal satisfaction, its a discussion, so a conclusion with some consensus rather than just votes is what I would expect. The length and number of pages is irrelevant a discussion can finish in a few posts or take months or multiple pages. We don't have any specific rules regarding some threshold.
    "Knowing" someone was right does not mean you've conceded, the definition of the word concede means you actually admit that.
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    Yeah, Ik that. It is against your character to admit it. All u did was changed stances. That's enough to conclude.
    Further, you are not a psychic. Don't make false claims of me "conceding" because you've imagined in your mind that I "knew you were right about it" and that was the reason that I stopped arguing. I stopped arguing because it was clear you would not listen to what I was saying, and I thought the disagreement could be resolved by showing you that the FAQ's authors agreed with me, which they did.
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    They literally did not agree with the specific quote of the FAQ that u were arguing and brought up a different thing entirely.
    Also, you are not a psychic either, that u just concluded that I was going to say the FAQ is wrong, the authors are wrong, I will argue with them, I wont concede
    Deagonx
    Deagonx
    That doesn't mean that I am not free to ask them,
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    Of course, but you wanting to ask them questions doesn't mean that I am not free to close the thread, which was universally rejected.

    Its weird and ironic that u keep bringing up votes but u urself refused a thread closure when u were losing a thread by 2x vote lead
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    Big difference between being 0-8 and being 5-8, and big difference between closing a thread after two days and two weeks.

    It is against your character to admit it. All u did was changed stances. That's enough to conclude.
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    I am currently informing you that I didn't change stances. I also didn't give you any indication that I had changed stances. I said:

    I feel largely that we are getting nowhere, and that there is little to nothing that I could say that would effectively demonstrate to you that you have read the FAQ wrong and are advocating for Low 1-C on a basis that we explicitly reject as a wiki. I'm not content to go in circles here, if I feel that you are simply beyond convincing I will spend my time in better ways.

    Somehow you interpreted this to mean "I think you're right so I'll stop arguing because my stance has changed."

    Also, you are not a psychic either, that u just concluded that I was going to say the FAQ is wrong, the authors are wrong, I will argue with them, I wont concede
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    I asked if you would, I did not merely assume it. You responded:
    And since we are discussing this with regards to the FAQ on what they mean by their wordings specifically, well they are the ones who have written it so their interpretation is absolute.

    DT responded:
    Just containing multiple 4D structures just makes you multiverse-sized. And being called infinite in no way means being infinite in terms of a 5D axis. Anything containing an infinite universe is infinite. That we have the difference between countably infinite and uncountably infinite as the difference between dimensional levels (as, amongst others, explained in the multiverse example) is just the cherry on top.

    This is very clear.
    omegabronic
    Hello, can you give input in this thread? points and counter points from both sides were given, since you participated in the last threads about it, it must interest you i think
    Georredannea15
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    Bill Cipher removal (or change) of 12-D HDE??? (Gravity Falls)

    Alr, Here we go!!! - Bill's HDE is basically because he might able to liberate the second dimension and ascended to third dimension, and he said "I can do in the higher dimensions and 11th dimension." But there is a problem, it was never shown to us that he did this for the higher dimensions...
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    Hi Deagon, I thought you might be interested since you were in the previous thread. If you are interested, could you take a look? You can ignore if you want.
    ProfectusInfinity
    Hello! I'd appreciate it if you gave input here:
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    Rama Kushna Downgrade

    I was looking through some of our DC profiles, and noticed we had a profile for Rama Kushna, who has a number of tiering justifications I disagree with: Immortality (4 - When gods die, they return to the Source, but sometimes have the power to escape it and return to life) Rama Kushna is...
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    It's a minor Downgrade CRT (slightly DC Cosmology-related).
    The_Pink_God
    Could I please have your input in this small CRT
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    Serial Designation N (And Murder Drones) revision... Sort of?

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Serial_Designation_N So as you can see, N is Relativistic in speed, that's all fine and dandy The thing is, his attack speed when it comes to bullets is... Slower? That doesn't really make sense, considering he uses those same bullets and rockets to fight...
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    Arkenis
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    Updating Fear Manipulation

    This is my first revision of a hax page so bear with me. Okay so looking at the Fear Manipulation page we see it's lacking way too much and frankly doesn't go into detail the many ways fear hax can be used. I seek to fix this and hopefully get a better structure for indexing our fear...
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    SweetDao
    Could you check this thread when you have some time? Thanks!

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    The Imaginary High-Godly (Instant Death)

    Regarding High-Godly Renegeration. The current justification is as follows : "High-Godly; She can regenerate herself after perfect annihilation, which includes the destruction of her body, soul, mind, concept and nonexistent physiology. Regenerated seconds after being conceptually erased by...
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    XxZetsuxX
    Could you answer this for me please?

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    Fear Hax

    I am curious about something for fear hax If a character who has 0 will, does not care about anything, Not even for his own life Would he be resistent to fear hax? Like, Someone forceably induces fear him Character in question: Yu from "The Boxer"
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    BestMGQScalerEver
    Can you take a look at this CRT? Abstract existence seems to be being heavily misapplied
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    YanSen ae type 1

    Simply put, after this CRT was approved, YanSen and the other gods became Conceptual 1 gods. Characters that are conceptual should also be AE1, because being conceptual means they are abstract. (both the universe itself and the concept itself) "Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an...
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    DaReaperMan
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    World of Warcraft: My extreme hatred of Aspect Scaling

    Hey, all. I really wish I didn't have to do this. But... unfortunately, Aspect scaling has jumped up a tier since Dragonflight has finished. This will be painful for me to write. So those are cool, 3 solid feats, and a well-known complete fuckton of tier 6 support... Well I hate to break it...
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    I would like an eval on this when you have the time
    BestMGQScalerEver
    I was wondering if you could maybe share this on the DB thread in a single post but if you don't believe it's that relevant then it's fine since Omega did briefly touch upon it. Just a little more context and a little more specific.

    omegabronic said:
    a real physicist talking about the theory irl matters for the logic in verse because? outside the fact that Whis, Gowasu and the entire Black arc contradicts this
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    So basically the Futamase stuff shouldn't be used since he's just an actual real life scientist brought on to explain our real world theories of physics in a fun way while only using similar dragon ball examples to be relevant. Also it was discussed in this thread that it shouldn't be used at all due to him not being an actual authority on dragon ball.
    Weaver261
    Can you take a look at this?
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    DC Cosmology becomes even more messy

    This is a discussion thread to talk about the changes that Flash new comics bring into the DC Cosmology. And to explore the ideas to how are we gonna treat these new statements. Everything started with Flash 2023 comic which introduced the new beings and new plane of existences revolving around...
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    Shiraito983
    hello can you share your thoughts here?
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    Villainess level 99 Tier CRT|possible Low 1-C upgrade

    Intro This is Yumiella Dolkness Tier Upgrades Credits to this page for giving some information, actually I made mine too before but I'm too dense to notice it, same justification will be used here The Cosmology Note: I will not include the vague H 1-B right now so I hope I won't see it here...
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    XxZetsuxX
    Hello could you evaluate this thread please?

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    Classroom Of The Elite - Speed and AP upgrade

    Thanks to @Zefra3011 for volunteering to calculate this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Zefra3011/Classroom_Of_The_Elite:_FTS_stuff This will upgrade the verse by a lot and will upgrade many characters, both in Attack Potency and Durability, and speed. This will be a relatively...
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    Pepsimanslover_69
    Yo, Deangox, if you wanna to continue our discussion we had in the GoW general thread, I'll like doing it with a conversation thread rather then the Gow general since it seems our conversations usually make the thread argumentative, a bit heated, and just demeaning to the other supporters.
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    Deagonx
    Deagonx
    The novel describes Kratos as needing to grind them into dust to prevent them from reforming. I am aware this is secondary canon, but I am using this to make a comparison. The finishers/hammer serve a similar purpose, the guide describes this as "finishing them off" and that the hammer has "extra power" to "easily smash them into pieces."

    It gives a similar impression that this hammer and finishers simply achieve a level of damage beyond what normal attacks can inflict. Even in the hammer gif above, you can see the O button spinning above the skeleton, he's ready for a finisher and nearly dead, but even more hits from the hammer do not fully finish it yet.

    I agree it's slightly muddy, but that seems more likely to be a result of game mechanics than an unmentioned negation. The guide describes why the hammer works in place of a finisher and decides to address the fact that it can smash them into pieces. The book speaks to a similar framework even if it's represented differently. I don't think the theory of negation is solid enough to warrant indexing, the damage threshold has its own bumps but it seems much more natural given the information we do have. Significantly so.
    Pepsimanslover_69
    Pepsimanslover_69
    I still think there are problems to have with the conclusion.

    If the Hammer smashing them to pieces was why it can easily kill them, then why does the guidebook tell us that Kratos's blades can, as per the text, be "effective at breaking to pieces" and still need a finisher to or the hammer to legitimately end them. It feels contradictory for the damage to be described as the same and for both to have different effects.

    But I do see it being far more plausible now, that Kratos is simply reaching a damage threshold to end these pests rather then posses an entire full on ability to end them.
    Deagonx
    Deagonx
    I understand that issue, but despite the similar description the book is expressing that "easily smashing them to pieces with extra power" is why the hammer kills them. The fact that the swords "break them into pieces" must be considered distinct from this despite being similar.

    I don't disagree that this is a bit awkward, but the negation stance is IMO a fair bit more clunky in terms of what kind of assumptions and mechanisms are involved.

    However it seems like we more or less have reached a common understanding.
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