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Team Iron Man: Dead, forgotten, or another fate like that
SBA for that so post, also I added a range so it’s not an stomp
Hawkeye scales to 4 Megatons
Not according to his profile, his profile says pre at best downscales from Superman and post either scales to os slightly upscales from Superman according to his profile, Superman has the 1.14 megaton feat
Darkseid downscales from a stronger, older Superman.
Darkseid is willing to use it whenever the tide even slightly starts to shift in the other side's favor.
The profile very explicitly says that pre resurrection darkseid is only comparable to a casual Superman, and neither darkseid’s nor Superman’s profile say anything about Superman getting stronger over time, if you disagree then make a CRT, but in a versus thread what’s on the profile takes precedent in most stuff
Hawkeye’s probably going to lose then because his 4 times greater AP is probably going to make the tide shift in Hawkeye’s favor fast, and Hawkeye probably isn’t going to withstand "the worst pain you could ever imagine times a thousand... continuing forever..."
Hmm, but what stops Clint from putting an arrow in his head to start it off?
Forgot that arrows have piercing, hmm, is it in character for Hawkeye to go for the kill
Bro is NOT handling all that
Well Uxas is an evil spacelord and in one of Hawkeye's interactions with Iron Man he says he'll try to aim for Doom's eye when they eventually fight him so maybe
What the profile is referring to is the third fight between them, where Superman beat Darkseid with far less trouble than in any other encounter.
Voting Darkseid essentially for the same, and given that Hawkeye's AP advantage isn't as great as it looks
Doesn’t matter, the profile is what determines the AP in the context of a versus thread, if I told you Hawkeye has a 500 megaton feat we wouldn’t be using it because it’s not on the profile, if I told you Hawkeye scales to scarlet witch we wouldn’t be using it because it’s not on the profile, and darkseid being stronger then Superman is not on the profile, if you want it to be used make a CRT but until then it’s mostly irrelevant to this discussion
Hmm, voting for Hawkeye then via piercing plus his 4 times AP advantage
The profiles do not disinherit what I've said.
Superman getting stronger over time is not accepted, he has the same key and no accelerated development accepted, the default assumption isn’t that characters get stronger over time, darkseid being comparable to a casual Superman is what’s currently accepted as their most consistent relationship, if you want to say Superman gets stronger over time then get it accepted, if you want to say that darkseid one shot original Superman then get it accepted, until then those aren’t how the wiki scales darkseid
It being used on other vs threads doesn’t make it correct, and I don’t have to debunk anything because this isn’t a CRT, you don’t debunk or bunk on a vs thread, you use what’s on the profile, and this absolutely isn’t “just logic” it’s feats that aren’t currently accepted for valid scaling and an unaccepted accelerated development
He has another key which is 4-C so the wiki does indeed accept he gets stronger overtime. (Also, litterally in the first episode of STAS it's stated he grows stronger everyday)
Uh, Superman has two different keys. This point is almost immediately refuted by just looking at the profile, as we see that Superman DOES get stronger overtime. Or else he wouldn't have a Star Level key.
Darkseid is comparable to an older Superman, as I've just proven. I sent video evidence of Darkseid curbing Supes in their first encounter, Supes BARELY winning their second, and then Supes handily overpowering Darkseid in their third pre-ressurection.
The feats are accepted. Superman's key literally has the feat front and center. And Darkseid's key references their third fight, where he went up against a casual, weakened Superman and still lost, but managed to put hands on him.
does the profile say the Star level key is because of growing stronger over time, two keys doesn’t automatically mean their accepted as getting stronger over time, nearly every key on the wiki is because of a temporary amp or temporarily being weakened
CRTs aren’t to change what happened in the show, their to change what’s on the profile, i don’t have to make a CRT to remove something when it isn’t even on the profile
I never said that Superman’s feat isn’t accepted, I never said darkseid scaling to a casual Superman isn’t accepted, I said that darkseid matching a casual version of the guy that preformed the feat is at best a downscale and stuff that would be an upscale isn’t accepted, and one thing from an episode being accepted doesn’t mean that everything in that episode is accepted
Except it's not a temporary amp, it's Superman's growth throughout the series.
It's common for extensive scaling chains to not be on the profile. You can look at Dante or even Goku, they just have the feats listed; not the entirety of "1-C Baseline = Mundus < Sparda < Dante DMC2" or whatever.
That's literally the order of events. That's what happened. You don't have to make a CRT for those order of events and how the scaling between those goes because it doesn't contradict anything.
For your first point, the profile doesn’t say that, it gives no eloboration as to why they are different, them being different is accepted, the reason they’re different isn’t accepted, for your second point Outliers are a thing, and their first two encounters are outliers based on what’s currently accepted
if their good profiles they’ll say the feats involved in the scaling chain
It does contradict things because Superman isn’t accepted as having accelerated development, meaning that based on what’s accepted those differences encounters contradict each other, and the last one is the one that the profile deems most consistent
They're not outliers, what about those encounters would make them outliers?
You have the main feat, the meteor push, which was EARLY in Superman's career, then if you just -- dig into the source material, you'll see there's a scaling chain. It's really not that hard to understand.
A summary of 'accelerated development:
Because their the opposite of what the profile says is darkseid’s power in relation to superman
That scaling chain isn’t accepted
If he isn’t able to progress faster then others then he most likely isn’t going to progress faster then darkseid, to the extent that he can get one shotted by darkseid originally and then casually be on par with him while weakened later
Most people don’t get stronger over time to the point that they can go from getting one shotted by someone to being effortlessly stronger then them, and Superman’s statements of getting stronger as he gets older once again aren’t accepted, and the difference between his first key and second key doesn’t prove anything because it doesn’t say he’s stronger because he gets stronger over time, there are a million reasons he could be stronger in the second key then in the first and the default assumption isn’t his unaccepted accelerated development
To what?
