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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

I think this explains what Strange Supreme could nab other IU varients when he couldn't beat just one before. None of them had ascended, and were left motionless for a while.
Of course they win. Now they meddle with other universes, with their opinions being the only thing stopping them from making sure everything is sunshine and rainbows. Stripping free will from everyone not in the gang.
 
Take this with a grain of salt, doesn't come from S-tier reliability leaker
• Captain Carter dies
• Kahhori, Storm and Byrdie become Watchers
• Storm is a variant not the one from X97, doesn't impact X97
What happens with ultron and the normal watcher ?

Also kill her I can’t possibly see that happening she’s basically what if golden child
 


Watcher had interfered off-screen multiple times.
Reed Richards, Nick Fury and Madisynn from She-Hulk mentioned, Byrdie is definitely in F4 lololol
 
We need to create a profile for the new infinity ultron instead of adding a key to the old infinity ultron's profile.
 
We need to create a profile for the new infinity ultron instead of adding a key to the old infinity ultron's profile.
How so? Ultron is the same in function until he melds with the Nexus fragment instead of ascending through awareness of The Watcher. I can't think of any MCU characters who have this, but some MHA characters have this sort of branching path in.
 
How so? Ultron is the same in function until he melds with the Nexus fragment instead of ascending through awareness of The Watcher. I can't think of any MCU characters who have this, but some MHA characters have this sort of branching path in.
Ultron seen in Season 3 is just a variant. And for variants, instead of adding a key to the character they are a variant of, we create a new profile for the variant. For example Loki and infinity ultron. We didn't add the variant loki as a key to the main loki's profile or add infinity ultron as a key to the main ultron. We just created new Profiles.
 
No we don’t he’s literally the exact same ultron but absorbed the shard that doesn’t deserve a new profile but a new key
Ultron seen in Season 3 is just a variant. And for variants, instead of adding a key to the character they are a variant of, we create a new profile for the variant. For example Loki and infinity ultron. We didn't add the variant loki as a key to the main loki's profile or add infinity ultron as a key to the main ultron. We just created new Profiles.
Also this new Ultron has a different personality. The old Ultron would have destroyed them instantly bu this Ultron did not. And I'm sure tomorrow this Ultron will be called by a different name.
 
Also this new Ultron has a different personality. The old Ultron would have destroyed them instantly bu this Ultron did not. And I'm sure tomorrow this Ultron will be called by a different name.
It’s the same Ultron it’s just that one realized his goal was was stupid after sitting there doing nothing for thousands of years this is no different then endgame thanos endgame Thanos doesn’t have a new profile but a key and endgame thanos is a variant
 
And this new Ultron has a different personality. The old Ultron would have destroyed them instantly bu this Ultron did not. And I'm sure tomorrow this Ultron will be called by a different name.
I think the difference between Loki and Ultron is that a lot of different occurred with Loki. Ultron simply didn't ascend, personality shift aside, and then got a power boost. Loki lacks 6 years of mainline experience, but he has an infinite amount of experience to ascend. The difference is basically nonexistent for Ultron, more akin to Spider-Man gaining a power boost from the Iron Spider before growing without it.
 
Imho, ByArrow is correct in saying a separate profile is needed for this Infinity Ultron. They are two different characters, variants of the same but inherently different, adding him as a new key of the old Infinity Ultron would mean that they are the same character, which they aren't. I can't think of a profile in this wiki that have two separate characters in the same profile as different keys, usually different versions have separate profile entirely.
Though, this new Infinity Ultron can have two keys, one base that is functionally the same as the old Infinity Ultron in the same way the first key of IU is the same as Vision, and a second one for when he fuse with the Nexus. This would be the best solution to me, but I will let you all decide that.
 
Imho, ByArrow is correct in saying a separate profile is needed for this Infinity Ultron. They are two different characters, variants of the same but inherently different, adding him as a new key of the old Infinity Ultron would mean that they are the same character, which they aren't. I can't think of a profile in this wiki that have two separate characters in the same profile as different keys, usually different versions have separate profile entirely.
Though, this new Infinity Ultron can have two keys, one base that is functionally the same as the old Infinity Ultron in the same way the first key of IU is the same as Vision, and a second one for when he fuse with the Nexus. This would be the best solution to me, but I will let you all decide that.
we didn’t give endgame thanos a new profile despite being a variant we gave him a new key this ultron is exactly the same as normal one until he gets the shard there is no difference it makes no sense to create an entirely new profile when it’s exactly the same as the normal one but adding this key when we could just had the key on the already existing ultron showing what happens when ultron absorbs the shard
 
It’s the same Ultron it’s just that one realized his goal was was stupid after sitting there doing nothing for thousands of years this is no different then endgame thanos endgame Thanos doesn’t have a new profile but a key and endgame thanos is a variant
Not the same ultron, just a similar variant. And we created profiles for each variant. If we did as you say, the variant Loki would not have profile. Also we didn't give Thanos a key.
 
 
Not the same ultron, just a similar variant. And we created profiles for each variant. If we did as you say, the variant Loki would not have profile. Also we didn't give Thanos a key.
exactly the same endgame thanos is a variant and he doesn’t have a new profile ultron is literally just Ultron until he absorbs the shard quite literally no difference the variant Loki has a profile because he has different experiences abilities outfits works with the TvA etc
 
exactly the same endgame thanos is a variant and he doesn’t have a new profile ultron is literally just Ultron until he absorbs the shard quite literally no difference the variant Loki has a profile because he has different experiences abilities outfits works with the TvA etc
Thanos doesn't have the key. So that doesn't help you with this. And This Ultron being a variant means it's different from the old Ultron. If he wasn't different, he wouldn't be a variant. And This Ultron has different experiences than the old Ultron, this Ultron has different abilities, this Ultron has a different look, and like the variant Loki working with the TVA, this Ultron is working with the guardians of the multiverse, and this Ultron has a different worldview.
 
Thanos doesn't have the key. So that doesn't help you with this. And This Ultron being a variant means it's different from the old Ultron. If he wasn't different, he wouldn't be a variant. And This Ultron has different experiences than the old Ultron, this Ultron has different abilities, this Ultron has a different look, and like the variant Loki working with the TVA, this Ultron is working with the guardians of the multiverse, and this Ultron has a different worldview.
Thanos is different why doesn’t he have a profile? They are the same ultron making a new profile won’t work because when you get to this new ones feats a new profile can’t have the feats of the other one because this one never fought the watcher even tho we know both are the same ultron
 
Thanos is different why doesn’t he have a profile? They are the same ultron making a new profile won’t work because when you get to this new ones feats a new profile can’t have the feats of the other one because this one never fought the watcher even tho we know both are the same ultron
Why doesn't he have a key? This Ultron is not the same as the same old Ultron. They said in the episode that Old Ultron is different from all the other variants. And as I said, we created new profiles for each variant.
 
Why doesn't he have a key? This Ultron is not the same as the same old Ultron. They said in the episode that Old Ultron is different from all the other variants. And as I said, we created new profiles for each variant.
It is the same ultron that’s what you aren’t understanding it’s exactly the same ultron they did the exact same ways only this one never meets the watcher they said in the show any ultron would do because every ultron in the multiverse is the same they all wipe there universe then stand there there for eternity they didn’t even expect that ultron to change his ideals their original plan was to reprogram him showing all ultron are basically the same
 
Uh guys I don't think you should be responding to the Calc Group Discussion thread about the 5-A Calc. I'm almost certain it's exclusively for the OP and the Calc Group only.
 
In this post, I'll compile news about the MCU and comic book crossovers


At 11:40 Katharyn Blair (Loki Season Two co-writer) specifically says that it was an exec at Marvel who had an idea to do a TVA comic, but that it was Jordan D. White, Marvel Comics editor who listened to her pitch and let her run with it.
I love this idea,” shared Feige. “It’s just as cool for us to see our work in comics as it is to bring the work of comic book creators to the big screen.
The Marvel.com article also specifically mentions that Feige approved the crossover.

The reason these crossovers are possible is that Feige has already been promoted from President of Marvel Studios to CCO of Marvel Entertainment in 2019.
So he had CCO authority to kill off Ms. Marvel in 616 and retcon her as a mutant.

Back when Feige was just the president of Marvel Studios, he once said that because the TV shows were produced by Marvel Television (Pre-Disney+) rather than Marvel Studios, it would be difficult for the crossovers to keep up with the pace of the showrunners writing the shows.
Also, several MCU tie-in comics have gone non-canon.

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But now that Feige has been promoted to CCO of Marvel Entertainment, not only is there better communication between the divisions, but a Marvel Studios employee revealed that Marvel Comics is also collaborating, and that stories from the comics won't be ignored on screen.

TVA Comics revealed that Captain Carter had joined TVA, that would explain where Guardians of the Multiverse stole reset charges from

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As an aside, someone mentioned the Spider-Verse in this thread before, and it reminded me of something
I don't know if it will help, For now I brought this
ATSV's Jessica-332 has already appeared in the comics, and the crossover with Earth-1048 has been canonized in both media

As an aside, in the commentary for the ATSV, it was mentioned that Miguel referenced Earth-001 (Loomworld) when creating the Spider Society's facility.


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The ATSV also featured the Ultimate Tarantula from the comics' Earth-1610.
(Previously, characters like Steven Rogers (Earth-1610) were resurrected for unknown reasons when the Ultimate Universe was restored)

For the record, there was a lot of implications in the comics at the time that Earth-1610 would return, but when Donny Cates, who was originally slated to write Ultimate Invasion, was in a car accident, Jonathan Hickman ended up creating a new universe called Earth-6160.

In spite of that, Jimmy Hudson Jr. (Earth-1610) was apeared in TVA comics so that might be something, despite the fact that he was already displaced to Earth-616
Especially both 6160 Logan and 1610 Logan appeared in recent comics
 
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Pretty mid ending ultron died which makes no sense honestly seems like PIS how they killed him so easily but struggled with normal watcher 1 on 1 the ending showed a lot of characters were there any comic ones ?
 
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I finished watching episode 8 of What If...? season 3.

  • After embracing his sense of identity, the Watcher reveals his name to be Uatu
  • Infinity Watcher Ultron breaks energy restraints that were holding Uatu, and is able to temporarily hold off the Watcher Council, but the Eminence is eventually able to walk through the blast and crush Ultron's head
  • Uatu warns the Guardians of the Multiverse that the Council's powers are beyond anything they have ever faced
  • The initial combined efforts of Uatu and the Guardians are easily blocked by the Watcher Council
  • Uatu is able to project force fields around himself and the Guardians
  • After taking the oath, the Guardians gain the powers of Watchers, allowing them to fight the Council on even footing
  • The Watcher Council conjure armor and fifth dimensional weapons
  • The ensuing battle inadvertantly causes planetary level destruction
  • When combing their powers, the Watcher Council threatens to erase every version of the Guardians from every universe, along with everything they've ever done and every life they've ever touched, which would destroy their very existence
  • Captain Carter, apparently through sheer willpower, is able to resist the existence erasure long enough to strike down the Council and transport everyone to Doctor Strange Supreme's universe, though is apparently killed in the process
  • After sacrificing himself to restore his universe, Strange Supreme's soul courses through every atom in that universe, giving him absolute power and control over it to the point of even being able to depower the Watcher Council
  • It is implied that Carted ascended to an even higher plane of existence upon her death
  • One could only imagine the stories behind some of the variants glimpsed at the end
  • I'm going to miss this show...
 
This episode is genuinely a nightmare for powerscaling so much happens in 10 minutes
It doesn’t even make sense how was Ultron beaten so easily yet they struggled to beat uatu who is below ultron even before ultron got amped by the observational shard even uatu was scared ultron was back showing how superior he was in power and if ultron was a watcher why did he go down so easily he should’ve been even just like everyone else was
 
It is the same ultron that’s what you aren’t understanding it’s exactly the same ultron they did the exact same ways only this one never meets the watcher they said in the show any ultron would do because every ultron in the multiverse is the same they all wipe there universe then stand there there for eternity they didn’t even expect that ultron to change his ideals their original plan was to reprogram him showing all ultron are basically the same
He got 5-A for christmas but it was on a time bomb
 
I finished watching episode 8 of What If...? season 3.

  • After embracing his sense of identity, the Watcher reveals his name to be Uatu
  • Infinity Watcher Ultron breaks energy restraints that were holding Uatu, and is able to temporarily hold off the Watcher Council, but the Eminence is eventually able to walk through the blast and crush Ultron's head
  • Uatu warns the Guardians of the Multiverse that the Council's powers are beyond anything they have ever faced
  • The initial combined efforts of Uatu and the Guardians are easily blocked by the Watcher Council
  • Uatu is able to project force fields around himself and the Guardians
  • After taking the oath, the Guardians gain the powers of Watchers, allowing them to fight the Council on even footing
  • The Watcher Council conjure armor and fifth dimensional weapons
  • The ensuing battle inadvertantly causes planetary level destruction
  • When combing their powers, the Watcher Council threatens to erase every version of the Guardians from every universe, along with everything they've ever done and every life they've ever touched, which would destroy their very existence
  • Captain Carter, apparently through sheer willpower, is able to resist the existence erasure long enough to strike down the Council and transport everyone to Doctor Strange Supreme's universe, though is apparently killed in the process
  • After sacrificing himself to restore his universe, Strange Supreme's soul courses through every atom in that universe, giving him absolute power and control over it to the point of even being able to depower the Watcher Council
  • It is implied that Carted ascended to an even higher plane of existence upon her death
  • One could only imagine the stories behind some of the variants glimpsed at the end
  • I'm going to miss this show...
The goat is back with a vengeance!
 
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