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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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They are yet to finish, Ultima is still taking his time to recover and soon continue
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Okay do we have any info that what will tier 1A look like? I still dont have a idea about how they differentiate r>f requirements for each tier.
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Yeah, R>F can be a basis of getting it. You don’t really need to transcends infinite countable dimensions anymore. Say “more real than real” within enough context can give you R>F.
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Not really, it still requires much context behind it. Like the Dreaming in DC is described as more real than real and holds stories of all dreamer across Creation and is above the material plane. The vantage point from it would give it R>F as such someone like Dream would be 1-A.
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Wait 1A DC wil return? Yikes
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God from Matteis Cosmology will be 0. DC would most likely return back to its original tiers.
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That's a surefire thing?
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DC mostly relies on R>F trancendence so pretty much possible
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I asked him and he did confrim it since that depiction of God perfectly fits his description of 0. An attribute-less Brahman.
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Wild. The Spectre tier 0 smurf?
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There can only be one tier 0 characters per verse after the revisions. There will be no smurfs for tier 0.
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Kinda pointless to scale everyone to 0 since everyone would be 0 by logic and only one 0 per verse.
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There can. If it's meant by a lower tier guy with tier 0 hax.
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0 in question can be anyone but anyone can’t not be 0. Soul and God have no superstation, they were always “God.” Spectre for example is still himself as well as Hal Jordan thus he never truly ascended just yet and if he were the individuality of Hal Jordan or Spectre doesn’t exist, only God does.
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Can there be multiple Hight 1-A+? Or can anyone link me to tldr version on what disqulified someone from H1A+
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There can be multiple High 1-A but only one High 1-A+ and 0.
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SCP will suffer because of this
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That’s the point.
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After reading revision again I've realised that CSAP was always right about saying dimensional tiering is useless. But still I have sense that someone will come up and eventually refute this thing...
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No, it is not. That's unfounded.
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What is unfounded exactly?
IdiosyncraticLawyer
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Your claim.
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Let's be honest, CSAP is practically guys copying our entire tiering system then bragging about not updating it from 2018.
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Wait this wiki once used that goofy tiering system?
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I hope I'm wrong, I hope this revision will be beneficial for us. I mean majority of powerscaling community doesnt take VSBW serious anymore. And it makes me question existence of this wiki at this point.
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I'm...suprised.
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Honestly in my case the opposite. I can't take csap seriously when I go to see profiles and there is a profile of a character in 2-C and then another profile of the same character in 1-S. I know that subjectivity plays a role, but the people who make the profiles do not respect or understand the system they use. That's why I prefer vsbw, it's more organized and we can debate based on official profiles even though the profiles don't satisfy everyone. I mean there are many characters that I would like to have much higher tiers, but crying because they don't let you wank your favorite character at tier 0 (which is the reason why i think everyone hates vsbw) seems ridiculous to me .
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Well I dont take them seriously too but this new tiering isnt something I can agree easily. Now we will see many irrevelant characters getting upgraded 1A. I mean we want to be strict system right?
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Do you even understand what you're saying at all? Do you really understand how harder the new requirements are?
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.......they changed the requirements, most outer characters are getting downgraded, and only some of the characters that use r>f or qualitative superiority is getting upgraded.
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You do understand that it is the point of the Wiki itself, right? I myself am a part of their Discord server, and if you were to try to wank some characters there to 1-S, they ain't gonna accept anything. After all, it's all fun and games until you descend into such madness more and more
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Well r>f trancendense is easier than describing some alephs and hierarchy shenanigans. But if wiki makes r>f transcende harder then why not ? I just want people stop abusing wiki for their satisfaction.
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One does not become 1A , one is born 1A then huh?
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I must agree here. You can't convince me R>F is harder to explain than alephs and all this stuff, especially after I learned like 4 ways of reaching from aleph-1 to aleph-2, and each of them getting more interesting than the other
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Exactly. I spend damn 6 months to understand what is cardinal number.
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