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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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0 in question can be anyone but anyone can’t not be 0. Soul and God have no superstation, they were always “God.” Spectre for example is still himself as well as Hal Jordan thus he never truly ascended just yet and if he were the individuality of Hal Jordan or Spectre doesn’t exist, only God does.
 
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StalkerCh said:
Wait this wiki once used that goofy tiering system?
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Sadly.
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"Beings that are boundlessly above absolutely everything"💀
 
StalkerCh said:
I hope I'm wrong, I hope this revision will be beneficial for us. I mean majority of powerscaling community doesnt take VSBW serious anymore. And it makes me question existence of this wiki at this point.
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Honestly in my case the opposite. I can't take csap seriously when I go to see profiles and there is a profile of a character in 2-C and then another profile of the same character in 1-S. I know that subjectivity plays a role, but the people who make the profiles do not respect or understand the system they use. That's why I prefer vsbw, it's more organized and we can debate based on official profiles even though the profiles don't satisfy everyone. I mean there are many characters that I would like to have much higher tiers, but crying because they don't let you wank your favorite character at tier 0 (which is the reason why i think everyone hates vsbw) seems ridiculous to me .
 
Wesker018 said:
Honestly in my case the opposite. I can't take csap seriously when I go to see profiles and there is a profile of a character in 2-C and then another profile of the same character in 1-S. I know that subjectivity plays a role, but the people who make the profiles do not respect or understand the system they use. That's why I prefer vsbw, it's more organized and we can debate based on official profiles even though the profiles don't satisfy everyone. I mean there are many characters that I would like to have much higher tiers, but crying because they don't let you wank your favorite character at tier 0 (which is the reason why i think everyone hates vsbw) seems ridiculous to me .
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Well I dont take them seriously too but this new tiering isnt something I can agree easily. Now we will see many irrevelant characters getting upgraded 1A. I mean we want to be strict system right?
 
I think you are forgetting the part in which a character cannot climb to a higher reality (r>f) by their own means, since in that case it will be considered an anti-feat and will fail in the attempt. Like arale or bugs bunny for example.
 
StalkerCh said:
Well I dont take them seriously too but this new tiering isnt something I can agree easily. Now we will see many irrevelant characters getting upgraded 1A. I mean we want to be strict system right?
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Do you even understand what you're saying at all? Do you really understand how harder the new requirements are?
 
StalkerCh said:
Well I dont take them seriously too but this new tiering isnt something I can agree easily. Now we will see many irrevelant characters getting upgraded 1A. I mean we want to be strict system right?
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.......they changed the requirements, most outer characters are getting downgraded, and only some of the characters that use r>f or qualitative superiority is getting upgraded.
 
Wesker018 said:
Honestly in my case the opposite. I can't take csap seriously when I go to see profiles and there is a profile of a character in 2-C and then another profile of the same character in 1-S
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You do understand that it is the point of the Wiki itself, right? I myself am a part of their Discord server, and if you were to try to wank some characters there to 1-S, they ain't gonna accept anything. After all, it's all fun and games until you descend into such madness more and more
 
Tdjwo said:
Do you even understand what you're saying at all? Do you really understand how harder the new requirements are?
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Well r>f trancendense is easier than describing some alephs and hierarchy shenanigans. But if wiki makes r>f transcende harder then why not ? I just want people stop abusing wiki for their satisfaction.
 
Wesker018 said:
I think you are forgetting the part in which a character cannot climb to a higher reality (r>f) by their own means, since in that case it will be considered an anti-feat and will fail in the attempt. Like arale or bugs bunny for example.
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One does not become 1A , one is born 1A then huh?
 
StalkerCh said:
Well r>f trancendense is easier than describing some alephs and hierarchy shenanigans
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I must agree here. You can't convince me R>F is harder to explain than alephs and all this stuff, especially after I learned like 4 ways of reaching from aleph-1 to aleph-2, and each of them getting more interesting than the other
 
StalkerCh said:
One does not become 1A , one is born 1A then huh?
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From what I understand, you can become 1-A as long as the reason is not yourself. A being that is already 1-A could make you ascend, for example, using magic, that 1-A guy could destroy your fictional self and recreate you in the higher reality or something like that. (or at least that's what I understood, someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Obviously that's a vague example, the point is that it doesn't have to be the typical character who got angry, became powerful, and got to where the gods were without the gods understanding how that happened or without the story explaining it properly.
 
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Obviously that's a vague example, the point is that it doesn't have to be the typical character who got angry, became powerful, and got to where the gods were without the gods understanding how that happened or without the story explaining it properly.
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Undercover Kratos slander?
 
StalkerCh said:
Undercover Kratos slander?
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although it may seem like it I wasn't saying it for him lol, actually I was referring to the typical bad manwhas that the characters become so powerful that they break the entire system, the rules, trascend all the gods and blah blah blah
 
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