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This is top strongest characters, not top characters who are hard to be defeated
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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I think it was a rule discussed and decided in previous thread
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I mean Oma resist every single one of Outsider abilities. His precog already work on Another Ryuga who literally have no history, all of his resistances have at least two layers, his time/fate/plot manip work on characters who have type 2/4 acausality, high godly, type 3 acausality, passive powernull that bypass at least a layer of resistance.
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It was discussed and agreed upon in the old thread. And it should be obvious, this is Top 5 strongest, not Top 5 stonewalls.
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Bruh you can't be serious. guess what in the "Top 5 Strongest Characters" if you can't bypass someone's Aca or Regen but on the same token your opponent can't bypass your Aca/Regen ect.. They share the same tier. why would this thread by any different?You think? can you grab the statement, because if you can't then i believe my point still stands.
Like i said i'll check the thread and see what my conclusions are but for right know though Oma can have the tier.
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That thread was old, way old. Oma was missing tons of his abilities at the time and he's about to also get more abilities as well due to the nature of Oma.
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And before you bring up 682 on the smurf thread, his other thing is using the opponent's shit against them via adaptation.
I participated in that discussion, and it was agreed that just being hard to effect/kill wasn't enough for a spot if you don't beat nobody
Because 9/10 those characters also **** the ones under them
You think? can you grab the statement, because if you can't then i believe my point still stands.
Like i said i'll check the thread and see what my conclusions are but for right know though Oma can have the tier.
I participated in that discussion, and it was agreed that just being hard to effect/kill wasn't enough for a spot if you don't beat nobody
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Not the same as getting a spot just by being hard to touch and otherwise being stompable by everyone else just by lacking that one power. A tie when one is outclassed in all other categories is disingenuous.
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What do you mean by this?
If that is a un-stated rule, then it's a rule that i heavily disagree with since your basically telling me is "Well this character posses a ability that allows them to resist the hax's and physical attacks of this opponent but since they don't have a way to bypass this opponent's Regen/Acaus ect.. they get placed under them?"
That doesn't make any logical sense to me.
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Then why does M in 3rd spot then, does he have any wincons against 2a anos or the current 4th spot? I thought he was there simply because he incon with Lavos( * via acausal 5?)
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That rule was agreed, hence why old Arceus didn't have a spot in 2-A even when it can incon virtually all other 2-A characters due to massive size above baseline 2-A
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It does because at that point, you're not stronger or even as strong as anyone else there. Just hard to touch or put down for good.
Really, getting passively nuked and regenerating in a loop isn't strength.
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682 is infamous for inconning due to being that ****** hard to kill.
The first question you apsolutely have to ask with characters who should just get stomped but can't due to their defenses, if their offense ain't up to snuff against the other character then it makes no sense. They need to be able to WIN to be placed above the competition.
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He probably does have some wincons
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Dunno. If he indeed can't beat no.4 and 5 then he can be removed.
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Nep2 vs Acau5 basically
Since NEP standards got changed recently, should we make a rematch?
Since NEP standards got changed recently, should we make a rematch?
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Then IMO it should share the spot with the highest-placed character that can't kill it since they both just Incon each-other.
If we're really going to be technical with the "Strongest" wording then any of these hax-based monsters that have lower AP/DC/Lifting Strength then those they're ranked above should be ranked lower since this thread is talking about the "Strongest" Non-Smurfs, not the most "Haxxed" Non-Smurfs.
You see why that's just a Name-Fallacy?.
Yeah and passively haxxing someone into oblivion isn't "Strength" either.
682 is a Smurf so i don't see why it was used as an analogy. but i understand what you mean now.
First: That doesn't even make logical sense since if you posses abilities that your opponent can't bypass but you can't bypass your opponent's abilities you can't place one below the other, they should share the tier.
Second: The thread in-itself doesn't agree with such logic since the reason why Lavos and M share the tier with each-other was because neither of them could interact with each-other (M's Acausality Type 5 Vs Lavos's NEP 2)
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Let me put it this way: if a character cannot beat the characters under the characters below the one they incon, then they go down the ladder until they're either off the list or at the lowest character they can WIN against. That's the issue, a character needs to be able to win against the competition before just stalemating another character equalizes their ranking. This ain't "Top 5 hardest to effect/kill characters for every tier". This is looking to find the strongest characters, the ones who can beat all others under them in a vs match, not the ones who incon everything.
People can do this thing called "making a mistake" or "missing a character", did you know that? People aren't perfect! I know it's a shock.
People can do this thing called "making a mistake" or "missing a character", did you know that? People aren't perfect! I know it's a shock.
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oh yeah What does Oltura do
I think Captain easily beats him with myriad of Summon hax
I think Captain easily beats him with myriad of Summon hax
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just passive deconstruction
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captain resist deconstruction.
His AP is also lower than captain so unless he has other hax I don't think he can win at all or should be higher
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wasn`t granblue agreed to share a spot with bleach in 5A or was the match never done
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the match was never done iirc. but I don't mind him staying at 4th place for now. since his profile needs to be updated first. but whats currently listed in the profile still applies
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moved captain above oultara. Will move it higher when the profile is updated
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Sailor galaxia for a spot in High3A
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I'll make the match for Yhwach when it is updated to segregate what skill he has in what keys
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Bleach right know is about to be under a massive revision regarding one if it's main core-abilities (Reiatsu Crush) and let's just say if all the additions go through they most likely become 1 in most of the tiers they occupy (Specifically 5-B, 5-A, 3-A and even possibly a placement at Low 2-C).
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Like, what? Passive concept destruction or something ridiculous along those lines? Cause considering No. 1 in 5-A alone Type 4 Acas away Almighty, law-hax based invul and resistances for days, it's gonna take a lot for that, let alone Tier 2.You'll See
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Of course i won't give every single new thing i'm cooking up right now to the public until i create the thread/blog.
But some of the main additions are.
1. Having Abstract Existence (Type 1) and some-forms of NEP won't allow you to resist Reiatsu Crush from the God-Tiers anymore.
2. Reiatsu Crush gains like 10+ Passive hax's like Deconstruction and Pain Manipulation.
3. Most Reiatsu passives gain massive Layers of resistance negation (Like Soul Manipulation gains at least 8+ layers of negation for the God-Tiers)
But this is all i'm going to express for now.
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I thought Great Dragon was 9D? If he is just 8D then yeah fate stomps him.
Yet another reason to dislike tier 1 with so many profies being vague or uninformative about the dimensional/higher infinity tiering.
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Yeah, Wakfu series does kinda need an update.
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seeing how ridiculously bloated in hax Anos I doubt anyone would be moving around in low 2-C top 5.
the only way to change it if Anos finally becomes smurf with their silver sea layers.
also why is Anos below characters from Destiny. idk who in Destiny have immeasurable speed
the only way to change it if Anos finally becomes smurf with their silver sea layers.
also why is Anos below characters from Destiny. idk who in Destiny have immeasurable speed
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The Daughters of Oryx stomped him before
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Anos got updated and now has immeasurable speed unequal he would Sanic Daughter of Oryx now
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