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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Kinda crazy how High 1-A is going to become the new Tier 0, becoming a "My Cosmology is bigger" contest, while Tier 0 will actually have proper matches that featless Tier 0 Characters will get their ass kicked in.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Kinda crazy how High 1-A is going to become the new Tier 0, becoming a "My Cosmology is bigger" contest, while Tier 0 will actually have proper matches that featless Tier 0 Characters will get their ass kicked in.
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Nah, all tier 0 characters are gonna be exactly equal iirc. No debates to be had, rip.
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
that seems like a dumb idea. Putting limits on how strong characaters can be in fiction
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Omnipotence isn't really a "limit", the new tier 0 is for beings beyond any sort of limits or conceptions thereof. It's the logical endpoint of the tiering system because there literally isn't a way to go higher than it.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
I mean, the new tier 0 will basically be omnipotence, and it's not like you can scale above omnipotence.......
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So, there just there to look pretty? I thought it would be like putting two 10-A characters against each other, you're both equal in everything, so it comes down to hax and skills. Also if they don't have any limits, they should be able to fight each other.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Omnipotence isn't really a "limit", the new tier 0 is for beings beyond any sort of limits or conceptions thereof. It's the logical endpoint of the tiering system because there literally isn't a way to go higher than it.
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Fine, I will do a match were I remove their ommnipotence, it is just going to be a hax match. A battle royale™ I might dare to say
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
So, there just there to look pretty? I thought it would be like putting two 10-A characters against each other, you're both equal in everything, so it comes down to hax and skills. Also if they don't have any limits, they should be able to fight each other.
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Fundamentally, that's what our pages are for. The vs stuff is just a side thing.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
So, there just there to look pretty? I thought it would be like putting two 10-A characters against each other, you're both equal in everything, so it comes down to hax and skills. Also if they don't have any limits, they should be able to fight each other.
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All tier 0s are effectively the same exact thing because they lack differentiation and individuality by definition. The only "difference" is just the names people in the verse ascribe to them, and the verse they come from.

Also, they are all omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. They are exactly the same in every manner.

If you put two Tier 0s against each other it would essentially be putting the Tier 0 against itself because they would both be the same thing.
 
So there's a new thread huh. Guess I'll give a Destiny update.

For Low 7-C there's a few new Destiny pages that can probably take the 4th spot. They're all smurfs to some extent and most of their stuff has layers. From what I'm seeing on the Sacred Eclipse and Cat Boy pages, each of the Destiny characters has ways of incapping or killing them.

For 9-A I think Destiny characters can take the 4th spot from Obsidian without a match. They resist everything it can do and can interact with it. Meanwhile Obsidian doesn't have a single resistance.

For 6-A I saw that there was talk about a new Chinaman for Destiny's spot. How does the thing with his future self work? Does the 6-A version get killed at the start of the match and then his future self just comes in with immeasurable speed to go nu-uh?
I also saw something about nondual invulnerability, but I'd like to point out that the 6-A Destiny characters can interact with Type 2 nonduality.
 
WHYNAUT said:
How does the thing with his future self work?
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There are countless versions of himself at any point in time. So not just spatially but in a temporal way the fight includes all this versions.

All of whom can reactively become 2-B, possibly 2-A (not including the future ones that are this tier). There is an example on his profile of his 6-A key reacting to an immeasurable attack from the future by a 2-B, possible 2-A enemy and instantly becoming that tier himself.

Also like a virus he'll spread in our universe's time (SBA is in Central Park; Earth). There is also already a feat of his on his profile of coming to Earth and spreading from the beginning of time till the end of time.
 
Muchacho_mrm said:
There are countless versions of himself at any point in time. So not just spatially but in a temporal way the fight includes all this versions.

All of whom can reactively become 2-B, possibly 2-A (not including the future ones that are this tier). There is an example on his profile of his 6-A key reacting to an immeasurable attack from the future by a 2-B, possible 2-A enemy and instantly becoming that tier himself.

Also like a virus he'll spread in our universe's time (SBA is in Central Park; Earth). There is also already a feat of his on his profile of coming to Earth and spreading from the beginning of time till the end of time.
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Man, if Lavos profile wasn't an steaming pile of garbage....
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
what does it have? Its profile just shows it has good hax resistance but little good offensive hax
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Well because its absorption works on 'Steel' which almost everything in the verse is made of, including conceptual and abstract stuff, or even non-existence. So basically coming in contact with it could equal an instant K.O. And its absorption is extremely defensive, so it's actual durability is almost never a factor in a fight.

And even if you do end up harming it, unless you kill it right away, it will just recreate itself, and incorporate what you used to hurt it into its next layer of defense.
 
It also has Black Body, which essentially lets it freeze anything that comes in contact with it, including stuff like space and time. So any move you use against it will have to bypass that as well.
 
Well, the Fate Manipulation doesn't seem like too much of a problem. The Black Fog should be able to rework their defenses and adapt to them, considering they've resisted a similar ability before on a much higher scale from the God of Choice, who can control how many choices exist.

Also although the Black Fog can't really use Joshua's Miracle since it's an AI, it's passive effect on everything in his Multiverse makes it so that there is no such thing as a destined fate or plot, so it would probably be canceled out anyway.
 
Had no idea who black fog was until now, but if he resists all the abilities of a high 1A Smurf, he's probably good.
 
For the 5-B list, If Lu Zhiyu's hax is "only" 1-A, how is Josh's High 1-A hax not enough to put it at #1?

Also just checking, what smurf hax (not just resistances) does 5-B Ruphas have and what potency is it?
 
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Setsuna_tenma said:
she has Low 1A plot and power null but it is not passive and has to be activated
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Actually, 1-B plot and power null, last I remember.

Also she has skills which even though aren't passive would still be faster than her opponents if they activated at the same time, they also ignore defenses and resistances too, also 1-B.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Actually, 1-B plot and power null, last I remember.

Also she has skills which even though aren't passive would still be faster than her opponents if they activated at the same time, they also ignore defenses and resistances too, also 1-B.
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So which of her haxxes are 1-B? Is Asnasl some sort of 1-B hax?

Also, I guess her top self used to be 1-B but now is Low 1-A?
 
I think: time manipulation, plot manipulation, mind manipulation, bfr, memory manipulation, soul, and sleep manipulation.

Don't think Alnasal is smurf hax, from what I remember.

Don't know what you mean with the last question. The reason the haxes/resistances are 1-B and not Low 1-A is cause they are based on Alovenus before she fought Ruphas, and went through the transcending shenanigans. Basically, Alovenus law makes those abilities absolute, always happen first, and can't be resisted.

Whether or not Ruphas should be Low 1-A though is eh? There were some interesting arguments for 1-A, and even 1-A+ that nobody wanted to bother attempting. Don't think those will fly with the new tiering system, and atm not too pressed to start the read through of the LN, to see where the cast stands.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
I think: time manipulation, plot manipulation, mind manipulation, bfr, memory manipulation, soul, and sleep manipulation.

Don't think Alnasal is smurf hax, from what I remember.

Don't know what you mean with the last question. The reason the haxes/resistances are 1-B and not Low 1-A is cause they are based on Alovenus before she fought Ruphas, and went through the transcending shenanigans. Basically, Alovenus law makes those abilities absolute, always happen first, and can't be resisted.
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Ok, I see.
 
Was gonna wait til my magic sandbox for Marvel was done, but why not:

Doctor Doom should be a spot above Ace and Ruphas in the 5-B list, or at minimum on the same spot as them (since he's slower than Ruphas without magic, but blitzes with it due to MFTL+ speed).

  1. Low 1-A Soul Hax with even basic magic blasts, which he resists.
    1. It also includes these abilities which are all low 1-A in potency
  2. Low 1-A mind hax and resistance to Low 1-A mind hax
  3. High 1-B absorption
  4. 4-D hax with magic, which he resists
  5. Type 3 CM with magic which Ruphas doesn't resist.
  6. As for Ace, both have one-shot options, but with unequalized speed Doom strikes first.
 
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