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Ultima_Reality

Ultima_Reality

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  • Hello, thanks for answering my question in that thread. I just wanted to know one more thing.
    If Wuji and Taiji are the real geniuen things in verse(apparently Wuji and Taiji are both High 1-A+) and If concepts in verse can be destroyed in a specific area, would Wuji and Taiji still be High 1-A+ or would they not?
    MurphsParadox
    Hey Ultima, I noticed that a lot of CRTs use Characters being "aspects of the Tier 0" as justification for High 1-A+ and I was wondering
    1. Why is this the case?
    2. Wouldn't a Tier 0 having several different aspects contradict the idea of Divine Simplicity?
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    Ultima_Reality
    Depends on what's meant by "aspect." In principle High 1-A+ would be obtained out of that in virtue of the character being the "medium" for everything the Tier 0 can produce (e.g. The Tier 0 is the dreamer and the High 1-A+ is the dream itself).

    A multiplicity of aspects would really only contradict the principle of the tier if it introduced multiplicity in essence to the "interiority" of the Tier 0 itself. If the aspects in question are separate from and below the undifferentiated super-essence, that's fine.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Hi Ultima, about Tier 0

    Someone asked me if the following would be an applicable tier 0. Note that this is not a specific verse, but rather a philosophy. But just curious if this kind of thing would be a tier 0.
    God is also said to be a simple substance (§47) but it is the only one necessary (§§38–9) and without a body attached (§72). Monads perceive others "with varying degrees of clarity, except for God, who perceives all monads with utter clarity". God could take any and all perspectives, knowing of both potentiality and actuality. As well as that God in all his power would know the universe from each of the infinite perspectives at the same time, and so his perspectives—his thoughts—"simply are monads". Creation is a permanent state, thus "[monads] are generated, so to speak, by continual fulgurations of the Divinity" (§47). Any perfection comes from being created while imperfection is a limitation of nature (§42). The monads are unaffected by each other, but each have a unique way of expressing themselves in the universe, in accordance with God's infinite will.
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    Leibniz uses his theory of Monads to support his argument that we live in the best of all possible worlds. He uses his basis of perception but not interaction among monads to explain that all monads must draw their essence from one ultimate monad. He then claims that this ultimate monad would be God because a monad is a “simple substance” and God is simplest of all substances, He cannot be broken down any further. This means that all monads perceive “with varying degrees of perception, except for God, who perceives all monads with utter clarity”. This superior perception of God then would apply in much the same way that he says a dominant monad controls our soul, all other monads associated with it would, essentially, shade themselves towards Him. With all monads being created by the ultimate monad and shading themselves in the image of this ultimate monad, he argues that it would be impossible to conceive of a more perfect world because all things in the world are created by and imitating the best possible monad.
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    Leibniz indicates that a world is a set of compossible things, however, that a world is a kind of collection of things that God could bring into existence. For not even God can bring into existence a world in which there is some contradiction among its members or their properties.

    When Leibniz speaks of a possible world, he means a set of compossible, finite things that God could have brought into existence if he were not constrained by the goodness that is part of his nature. The actual world, on the other hand, is simply that set of finite things that is instantiated by God, because it is greatest in goodness, reality and perfection. Naturally, the fact that we are here experiencing this world—the actual world—means that there is at least one possible world. In Leibniz's view, there are an infinite number of possible worlds    .
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I'm not that knowledgeable on Leibniz' Monadology, so I can't really say for certain.

    Granted, if this stuff was verbatim copy-pasted into a verse, I wouldn't give Tier 0 to it at all, no. The fact he also makes God into just "the greatest/simplest monad" further hampers thing too, I'd say.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    I see
    And no, it wasn't. The verse in question just seemed to have links to certain parts of Pre-established harmony.
    Fixxed
    About H1A and H1A+

    Lets say there are a 1A or low 1A concept. And there was the logic literally logic, and this logic was the most fundamental thing, more fundamental and even formed all of those concept and the rest of all of creation

    There are something that can rewrite this very logic of universe. Make impossible thing possible

    Are this can be H1A or H1A+? Because i read to qualify for H1A+ you must above/encompasses all possible logic/possible world
    Grabbing_dragon
    Hi ultima is this enough for high 1A.
    There is 2 higher dimensions the quality between them is qualitative superiority and then there this platonic like place that is said to truly surpass higher dimensions operating in a different higher hierarchy to begin with.
    Rabbit2002
    Hi Ultima. Can High 1-A+ (first or second type) characters be stronger than each other even though they are the same type? As long as it's not character A considering character B as fiction or something like that
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    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    That's not necessary, I'm just curious about Wod's tier. Since I'm not sure if Top Tier (of course not counting God Tier like IATIA) like Triat, Bodnye, Gaia, Buddha... is enough to meet High 1-A+ or simply High 1-A
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Good question: I have no idea, really.
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Well, as I expected. Another question: is the description/scan below enough for High 1-A+? If so, what type?
    So, when a being obtains all the data stored within the Initial Flame, essentially memorizing all information, they reach the requirements needed to gain Omniscience & Omnipotence. To them, the difference between infinity and finite is a change of prefix, and they can modify the world like an author of a book. They have transcended all concepts and causality, including the absolutes of probabilities.
    The River of Existence was the current source of Fattrovi's power. It was a strength from divinity, linked to the Source of the Multiverse, infinite energies and information. There, data of any possibility existing in the past or the future of the Multiverse were stored, and obtaining it was equal to omniscience and omnipotence, granting one rule over the Multiverse.
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    All information was grasped by a certain existence, and the conditions of omniscience andomnipotence were met.
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    If there was a person or a being that could freely manipulate and modify that information, therewas no doubt that he could call himself the most powerful. To him, infinite energy and no energywas nothing more than a minor difference of changing the prefix to 'infinite', and when hereached that step, he could modify the world as he wished, just like the author of a book.
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    Transcending all causality and concepts, even the absolutes of probabilities.
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    They have also transcended the Multiverse and surpassed their limits, becoming refined Multiverses in their own right. This is the Realm of True Infinity, which is truly endless and boundless, surpassing incomplete logic and infinite limits, including the limit of endless ascension. Omnipotence awakened the greatest, strongest, and most inconceivable power. It is completely illogical and indescribable, and any thought about it is wrong, and any retort against it is moot.
    Those were immeasurably powerful beings which surpassed their own limits and transcended the Multiverse itself-in fact,they were refined Multiverses in their own right.
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    The so-called ultimate was to surpass these seemingly infinite limits and achieve omniscience and omnipotence. It was a realm that was truly endless, boundless, and boundless. It was to surpass incomplete logic and prove the true infinity.
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    [Endless ascension was in itself a limit]
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    Omnipotence awakened. An omnipotence that could not possibly exist. When all the harsh conditions were met, theOmnipotence awakened in an instant that could not be measured by time.
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    Omnipotencewas the greatest, strongest, and most inconceivable power.
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    Last but not least, indescribable and illogical 'Omnipotence and Omniscience': any thought was mistaken, any retort moot.
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    BleedingPeach

    Also... don't you think that Jack Nance from Ereaserhead is cosplaying Emil Cioran?
    BleedingPeach
    BleedingPeach
    Thank you, Ultima. In my eyes you're a demigod, not a god because "god" doesn't exists... I think.
    Lloydblitzed
    Can u comment on this Tier 1 thread?
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    Ninjago: Tier 1

    So, decided to make Ninjago Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be 1-C. TLDR The Ethereal Divide is 1-C due to it is space is of a higher dimensional nature with not affected by Mergequakes storm which only work with a higher temporal...
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    hi. Does Platonism have r>f admin?
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    RigelBR7
    RigelBR7
    We do not use Platonism as qualitative superiority here.
    Grabbing_dragon
    Grabbing_dragon
    No Platonism is both 1A and 0
    1A because the forms are true reality while reality is shadow,illusion and transcendent over spacetime that goes beyond any physical Factor also they also have others feats needed for 1A conceptual maniplation .
    ZeroTwo64
    Hi, that Beat975 user plagiarised a Madoka blog I wrote somewhere else and published a carbon copy of it without asking my permission first. Should I contact you or someone else to take measures against them?
    RigelBR7
    Hello Ultima, it's me again. Can you add me to my new Discord so I can ask you some questions in private? My new Nick there is rigelbr7pro

    If you can please add me there, or give me your Discord nickname, because last time your account wasn't receiving any messages, I think something went wrong. I remember I was talking to you and we had some pending matters, but I lost the old account. If you can, add me there.
    Beat975
    Hi Ultima, I would like to do a trhead for Ultimate Madoka outerversal. Can I do or this require a staff discussion? Thanks for the future answer
    Hirotoswnn1x
    Ultima, I have a few questions. "Infinite worlds will converge to become a larger world, and the larger world will increase in power over and over". Is this counted as High1-B+ or High1-B?
    Thanks for the answer.🙏🏻
    KingNanaya
    Hello. Could I please be given permission to comment on this thread?
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    The Disappearance of Void Shiki's Root Scaling

    i can already predict whats going to happen if i do NOT make this a staff thread, so ill go on ahead and do it. Alright, we’ve been told by @Ultima_Reality off site that this topic doesn’t intersect with the root thread, so it should be fine for these specific topics to be going on at the same...
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    LOTM_Historian
    Hey Ultima, could you give us an update on your thoughts regarding the Lord of the Mysteries CRT?

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    Upgrading Lord of the Mysteries

    We have been downplaying Lord of the Mysteries characters for quite a while now. Since the Earth is locked behind the world barrier, we aren't able to see massive DC feats within the material world. However, Lord of the Mysteries compensates for that by characters affecting higher dimensional...
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    god_cat
    hello ultima, you told me that the force will be 0 in the latest star wars legends, so oneness jacen solo and force ghosts, which merge with the force and are said to enter into an absolute union, will scale exactly at what tier.
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    Elyartaker
    Hello ultima.

    Having R>F transcendence over any 1-A structure would only scale one layer higher right(and not High 1-A)?

    is it possible to define it in a way that it can reach High 1-A? if so how?
    VeryGoofyToddler2
    Hi, Mr. Ultima read my thread, please:

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    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo(Part 1 of 2)

    Hi, since the the tiering system has been changed not too long ago. I decided to overlook the DC Cosmology blog page and wanted to revise the tiering and explanation on the blog. @Elizio33 is handling the Crisis Cosmology section of the blog. So I decided to handle J.M. DeMatteis and Vertigo...
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    Megaraptor149
    Hello Ultima Sorry to bother you. I want to ask before creating a profile, especially about tier. Do you think this low 1-C is based on the justification on his profile?

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    Megaraptor149/Alicia Y Armitage

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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    That honestly looks fake.
    Megaraptor149
    Megaraptor149
    Alright, so 2-A then?

    Good think i don't need create CRT at first place due to tier 2 below.
    Megaraptor149
    Megaraptor149
    Ehm actually this still can be argue as Low 1-C due to everything nothing more than a dream for Gods. Although this doesnt qualify for 1-A requirement due to Gods not seen the dream as mere "nothing unreal".

    DarkVoid
    Hello Ultima. Could you answer a question?

    How far can a realm that exists beyond time and space, and also sees time and space as an illusion, be scaled in terms of the Tiering System?


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    At face value would be 1-A. Though I know the Force in the Star Wars EU is probably Tier 0, so I wonder how that relates to it.
    Huesito88
    Hey Ultima quick question where would these guys scale in the new cosmology?

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    Brothers (Megaverse)

    The Brothers are a pair of cosmic entities that each represent the DC Universe and the Marvel Universe. Being the physical embodiments of their respective Multiverses, both entities are shown as being so immensely powerful that even the Living Tribunal and the Spectre were beneath their...
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    Livinaa
    Hello Ultima. Sorry if I'm bothering you, since you seem to be busy most of the time, but if you have free time, can you check out Dragon Talisman High 1-A thread? Rabbit and i already posted the scans for stacked transduality.

    If you accept the stacked transduality, then all that's left in that thread would be to call other staffs involved in the thread, and to change the conclusion in the OP.
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    Livinaa
    Livinaa
    I posted scans for the Spiritual Network giving Deathless above 10th Deathless stacked transduality. If that still isn't enough for Deathless hierarchy being an infinite extensions of meta, then see Rabbit's new scans of HBH (Heaven Beyond Heaven), with baseline HBH containing the entire Deathless hierarchy.
    Livinaa
    Livinaa
    If you still disagree with Spiritual Network giving Deathless above 10th Deathless stacked transduality, and also disagree with Rabbit's new scans about HBH (Heaven Beyond Heaven), then we will give up the argument for infinite extensions of meta, and settle with just infinite layers into Meta-quality for Deathless hierarchy, with Gu Chensha in baseline Meta-meta-quality.
    Livinaa
    Livinaa
    I posted some scans that may help prove stacked transduality. Also if stacked transduality is still not accepted, then HBH is much more likely to prove Gu being above meta-meta...-quality framework, since no one in the Deathless hierarchy can go to the next HBH.
    HelloThere1089
    Hi. Apologies for bothering ya. I just have one question. Does the wiki treat the words "Spacetime" and "Spacetime continuum" differently? I was under the impression that both of them are used interchangeably (at least in physics). Is there any specific distinction between the two that the wiki makes?
    Lord_Zeref_Dragneel
    Is it correct that there is an uncountable infinite amount of snapshots of reality even at 0.0000000000000000000000(amount of zeroes is the biggest finite number ever known)....000001 planck time?
    TyphonEX
    Hello there, Ultima. My recent thread was closed even though there were only 3 administrators who accepted it (solely based on Planck69's reasoning which I had already refuted) while the other half of the staff were pretty much ambiguous/neutral towards my proposal. It's rejection was neither unambiguous nor unanimous. What do you think? Do you disagree with them?
    Grabbing_dragon

    There is no distinction between past, present, and future for Altana,for her all them are one , so she would not have linear time she would reside in a state where all events are always happening simultaneously and she is always present ,she would be an eternal now

    Am i right would she be acausality type 5 and an eternal now?
    TyphonEX
    Hello there. Would you please provide your input on this refutation of one of the justifications for tier 1 God of War? In short, the argument is that while this Low 1-C justification is based off of the assumption that the Nine Realms in God of War are geometrically "parallel" based off of a generalization of the definition of "parallel" to higher dimensions, there actually is no evidence of this or reason to go by this assumption whatsoever. To put it in even less words, one of the central premises of their argument is completely ungrounded. If you wish, you could also hold off on giving your input until other members give counterarguments.
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    TyphonEX
    TyphonEX
    But really quick, do you think that spatially finite realms that extend infinitely temporally have to be parallel in the sense that there is no path between them via 3D movement? That seems to be one of the main points of contention. My assertion is that they do NOT have to be parallel in that sense and thus do not need an extra dimension to be embedded in. Kind of like this. Their extensions through the time dimension are parallel, but they are not fully parallel since it is in fact possible to travel from one realm to another via their dimensional axes, which I called spatial component 1 and spatial component 2 in the diagram. Of course, this is only possible for realms that are finite in at least one of their dimensions. Meanwhile the others in the thread claim otherwise and claim that other staff members have already established that.
    TyphonEX
    TyphonEX
    Also, both sides have made arguments in the thread now. What do you think?
    TyphonEX
    TyphonEX
    Hello @Ultima_Reality . A lot of arguments have been made now and I feel that it would be a good time to give your input in the God of War thread please. Thank you
    Elyartaker
    Hello ultima!

    I had a question about High 1-A+.
    Can High 1-A+ characters have superiority to each other? I remember seeing in a thread, it was rumoured you said high 1-A+ are equal and cannot be stronger to weaker than eachother.
    But it seems a bit... Weird? What should we do if inverse it happens?
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    It's in the Tiering System page.
    Elyartaker
    Elyartaker
    "That said, characters who embody the framework of all possible worlds properly speaking may be rightly considered more powerful than those that can simply create arbitrarily big possible worlds while nevertheless existing in one."
    are you refering to this? if so, I can't lie it's abit confusing. I had some discussions with others and we couldn't reach a conclusion what this exactly means.
    I would really appreciate alot if you could elaborate more, with all thanks and sorry in advance for being a headache to you🙏
    Elyartaker
    Elyartaker
    😶😶😶
    Rikimarox2
    I have a question, Mr. Cat. Answer me and I'll pay you generously.

    It's about type 1 concepts. So, if the concepts of time and space in a verse are shown to be independent (IE Type 1), and said concepts were shown to be the things to make, well, everything in terms of time and space. Would those concepts extend to all possible dimensions and stuff? I recall a statement of yours somewhere about how if time and space concepts were shown to be the source for all of time and space, they might be considered Low 1-A.

    Answer me, Mr. Cat 🙏
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah, if the character literally is the essence of space/time (As in, they literally are "what-it-is-to-be-space/time") and this essence is irreducible to and independent from particular spatiotemporal things, it'd be around that range.
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    Thank you, Cat.
    Hello, sorry for bothering you. Can you take a look at this question?
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    What tier is this weird structure?

    1. What tier is someone who became so big that concept of size no longer applies to him? And what tier would the higher dimension that can contain him be? 2. What tier is the place, which gave birth to chaos which gave birth to all things, where all the concepts of known or unknown to human...
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    People said to ask you about it.
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