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Ultima_Reality

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  • Super_Nova
    We’ve added the changes from the Lord of the Mysteries CRT into the profiles, and I believe the thread is now ready to be closed.

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    Upgrading Lord of the Mysteries

    We have been downplaying Lord of the Mysteries characters for quite a while now. Since the Earth is locked behind the world barrier, we aren't able to see massive DC feats within the material world. However, Lord of the Mysteries compensates for that by characters affecting higher dimensional...
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    Meli_Tempest
    I have a question here, I think it might be a good thing for the Supernatural characters (Chuck, Amara, Jack and the void).

    The void, as stated in the series is a non-physical place where The Angels and demons go when they die. This space lacks time or space, as those aspects are unique to Chuck's narrative and he cannot affect the void.

    It is a place where reality in its entirety is just inserted. And according to the new BDE features, this may qualify for 1-A. Plus there is more evidence I can gather to avoid the anti-doings of your avatars.

    What do you think? This is just a raw thing, if you think it may come to work I can gather enough evidence from the series. Even if you are not convinced now, if you have a little doubt whether it is "yes" or a "no" I will try to bring the necessary evidence in a future thread.
    TyphonEX
    Hello there Ultima. You seem to be an expert in Tier 1 revisions. A while ago, I think you said you'd look over this God of War downgrade thread that I made, but it was closed before that could happen. Now, I do want to reopen it, but it would be helpful to get staff support so that my thread doesn't get immediately get shut down again.

    Anyways, the arguments here essentially boil down to me saying that none of the "evidence" brought up is sufficient to demonstrate that God of War has 5D cosmology let alone 5D in a substantial enough manner to warrant Low 1-C. Basically, the situation is that God of War's cosmology has multiple realms that exist separate from each other that are unable to be traveled between save for special methods such as portals. The linked post is basically the only one that all the rejections are based off of. There's also this but the argument isn't coherent at all and it's just a bunch of non-sequiturs. Anyways, these facts of the cosmology are taken as meaning that these realms are parallel and thus embedded in higher dimensional space. The issue is that these realms are finite and are never even said to be universes. The most we know of their size is that they contain galaxies, but that's obviously not enough to warrant infinite size. Note how even in the cosmology page, there is no evidence of the Nine Realms being universal (which is infinite by our standards unless space is curved or cut off) in size. Only ungrounded statements and extrapolations. And of course, finite dimensions can exist within a larger space of the same dimensionality while neither intersecting nor having to be parallel, so they don't have to be embedded in higher-dimensional space. And the reason why realm travel is generally limited to special methods is not because of some sort of parallelism, but because Odin sealed off travel between realms. That's it.

    Another problem is that even if we assume it is 5D, there is no proof that it is fully-sized. Thus, the proof for Low 1-C is insufficient, since there is no proof that its 5D volume is any more than just 0. Even if we assume they're parallel and embedded in 5D space, that's not enough for 5D. You can look through the entire thread and even the previous ones or the cosmology page and there's no proof of sufficient extension in the 5th dimensional axis to justify Low 1-C. The closest they get to this is Planck claiming that the branches of the Yggdrasil extend infinitely in 5D space, therefore they must extend substantially along the 5th axis which is obviously a non-sequitur. It has already been pointed out that this is flawed logic as even a 4D object can extend infinitely in 5D space, that does not make it Low 1-C.

    Would you be willing to open the thread? Maybe support my side if you're convinced?
    LOTM_Historian
    Hey Ultima,
    Could we possibly get a final decision on the Lord of the Mysteries CRT now that we have four staff approvals? The thread is starting to become cluttered, with some comments revisiting topics that have already been discussed, likely due to new participants not reading through everything.

    Based on your input, would you agree to the following AP:
    • Original Creator: 1-A
    • Pillars: 1-A (Given weakened Celestial Worthy's ability to influence the Astral World and God Almighty being its ruler)
    • Great Old Ones: 1-A, Low 1-A, or Low 1-C? (These entities are stronger than Gods but aren't classified as Pillars)
    • True Gods / Sequence 0: Low 1-A or Low 1-C? (Considering their dominion over everything derived from these essences, do you think Low 1-A is more fitting?)
    I believe we can move forward with whatever you decide on this.
    Nightshade
    Hey, please I wanted to ask for permission to comment on the Tier0 thread for swirl of the root
    Nightshade
    Hey, please I wanted to ask for permission to comment on the Tier0 thread for swirl of the root
    Ren1999
    Please, really need your input here Ultima, there is one H1A+ thread that has not been checked


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    Reincarnated Swordmaster CRT

    hello. I'm writing to get a rating for a tier 1 character in Reincarnated Swordmaster. I don't know much about Battle.wiki's Tier 1 and Tier 0 system, so I'm asking you to help me evaluate it. What I'm talking about is summarized in this link and this link. To summarize it more simply The...
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    Excellence616
    Please, really need your input here
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    SCARLET WITCH AND THE GRIEVER Revisions

    The Griever (Omniversal Griever) update The Griever new role in Scarlet Witch current comic. • The Griever serves the grand design, a set path of the end of all things. This quiet math has been, written and planned, it supports creation. •She exist at the void Scarlet witch and Quicksilver...
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    Thelastmlg
    Hey ya, the CRT here is 1 staff vote off of being accepted, could ya give your input?

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    Massive Homestuck Overhaul (Additions, Removals and changes) (Act 1)

    A few months ago i started a blog to grab the homestuck profiles and change quite a lot of their content and how they are executed, the changes including: Scaling Additions Removals Justifications Minor fixes https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Thelastmlg/HOMESTUCK_OVERHAUL_LET%27S_GO...
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    Kev_Nino36U
    Hello, Ultima. I have a few questions about the both type of characters that make up the tier High 1-A+
    Regarding High 1-A+ "type one" characters(the ones who can affect all possibilities but don't embody them):
    1. Given that they can affect all possibilities, are they all equal in terms of raw power?
    2. Can a character reach this tier despite only being capable of destroy possibilities?

    Regarding "type two"(The ones who embody all possibilities):
    1. Can there only be one per verse simmilarly to tier 0, or can there be more characters that collectively make up the framework of existence? Like the abstracts of Marvel but on an absolute scale.
    2. The concept of Mahapralaya reach this tier and type if despicted correctly? It is not the totatility of existence, but it can dissolve it.
    3. Characters who are the vehicle for a tier 0 to create all possibilities, like Azathoth to the supreme archetype, are this type of High 1-A by virtue of having created everything even if they don't embody those possibilities, or are they restricted to type one?

    Thanks in advance.
    Hello, thanks for answering my question in that thread. I just wanted to know one more thing.
    If Wuji and Taiji are the real geniuen things in verse(apparently Wuji and Taiji are both High 1-A+) and If concepts in verse can be destroyed in a specific area, would Wuji and Taiji still be High 1-A+ or would they not?
    MurphsParadox
    Hey Ultima, I noticed that a lot of CRTs use Characters being "aspects of the Tier 0" as justification for High 1-A+ and I was wondering
    1. Why is this the case?
    2. Wouldn't a Tier 0 having several different aspects contradict the idea of Divine Simplicity?
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Depends on what's meant by "aspect." In principle High 1-A+ would be obtained out of that in virtue of the character being the "medium" for everything the Tier 0 can produce (e.g. The Tier 0 is the dreamer and the High 1-A+ is the dream itself).

    A multiplicity of aspects would really only contradict the principle of the tier if it introduced multiplicity in essence to the "interiority" of the Tier 0 itself. If the aspects in question are separate from and below the undifferentiated super-essence, that's fine.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Hi Ultima, about Tier 0

    Someone asked me if the following would be an applicable tier 0. Note that this is not a specific verse, but rather a philosophy. But just curious if this kind of thing would be a tier 0.
    God is also said to be a simple substance (§47) but it is the only one necessary (§§38–9) and without a body attached (§72). Monads perceive others "with varying degrees of clarity, except for God, who perceives all monads with utter clarity". God could take any and all perspectives, knowing of both potentiality and actuality. As well as that God in all his power would know the universe from each of the infinite perspectives at the same time, and so his perspectives—his thoughts—"simply are monads". Creation is a permanent state, thus "[monads] are generated, so to speak, by continual fulgurations of the Divinity" (§47). Any perfection comes from being created while imperfection is a limitation of nature (§42). The monads are unaffected by each other, but each have a unique way of expressing themselves in the universe, in accordance with God's infinite will.
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    Leibniz uses his theory of Monads to support his argument that we live in the best of all possible worlds. He uses his basis of perception but not interaction among monads to explain that all monads must draw their essence from one ultimate monad. He then claims that this ultimate monad would be God because a monad is a “simple substance” and God is simplest of all substances, He cannot be broken down any further. This means that all monads perceive “with varying degrees of perception, except for God, who perceives all monads with utter clarity”. This superior perception of God then would apply in much the same way that he says a dominant monad controls our soul, all other monads associated with it would, essentially, shade themselves towards Him. With all monads being created by the ultimate monad and shading themselves in the image of this ultimate monad, he argues that it would be impossible to conceive of a more perfect world because all things in the world are created by and imitating the best possible monad.
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    Leibniz indicates that a world is a set of compossible things, however, that a world is a kind of collection of things that God could bring into existence. For not even God can bring into existence a world in which there is some contradiction among its members or their properties.

    When Leibniz speaks of a possible world, he means a set of compossible, finite things that God could have brought into existence if he were not constrained by the goodness that is part of his nature. The actual world, on the other hand, is simply that set of finite things that is instantiated by God, because it is greatest in goodness, reality and perfection. Naturally, the fact that we are here experiencing this world—the actual world—means that there is at least one possible world. In Leibniz's view, there are an infinite number of possible worlds    .
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I'm not that knowledgeable on Leibniz' Monadology, so I can't really say for certain.

    Granted, if this stuff was verbatim copy-pasted into a verse, I wouldn't give Tier 0 to it at all, no. The fact he also makes God into just "the greatest/simplest monad" further hampers thing too, I'd say.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    I see
    And no, it wasn't. The verse in question just seemed to have links to certain parts of Pre-established harmony.
    Fixxed
    About H1A and H1A+

    Lets say there are a 1A or low 1A concept. And there was the logic literally logic, and this logic was the most fundamental thing, more fundamental and even formed all of those concept and the rest of all of creation

    There are something that can rewrite this very logic of universe. Make impossible thing possible

    Are this can be H1A or H1A+? Because i read to qualify for H1A+ you must above/encompasses all possible logic/possible world
    Grabbing_dragon
    Hi ultima is this enough for high 1A.
    There is 2 higher dimensions the quality between them is qualitative superiority and then there this platonic like place that is said to truly surpass higher dimensions operating in a different higher hierarchy to begin with.
    Rabbit2002
    Hi Ultima. Can High 1-A+ (first or second type) characters be stronger than each other even though they are the same type? As long as it's not character A considering character B as fiction or something like that
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    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    That's not necessary, I'm just curious about Wod's tier. Since I'm not sure if Top Tier (of course not counting God Tier like IATIA) like Triat, Bodnye, Gaia, Buddha... is enough to meet High 1-A+ or simply High 1-A
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Good question: I have no idea, really.
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Well, as I expected. Another question: is the description/scan below enough for High 1-A+? If so, what type?
    So, when a being obtains all the data stored within the Initial Flame, essentially memorizing all information, they reach the requirements needed to gain Omniscience & Omnipotence. To them, the difference between infinity and finite is a change of prefix, and they can modify the world like an author of a book. They have transcended all concepts and causality, including the absolutes of probabilities.
    The River of Existence was the current source of Fattrovi's power. It was a strength from divinity, linked to the Source of the Multiverse, infinite energies and information. There, data of any possibility existing in the past or the future of the Multiverse were stored, and obtaining it was equal to omniscience and omnipotence, granting one rule over the Multiverse.
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    All information was grasped by a certain existence, and the conditions of omniscience andomnipotence were met.
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    If there was a person or a being that could freely manipulate and modify that information, therewas no doubt that he could call himself the most powerful. To him, infinite energy and no energywas nothing more than a minor difference of changing the prefix to 'infinite', and when hereached that step, he could modify the world as he wished, just like the author of a book.
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    Transcending all causality and concepts, even the absolutes of probabilities.
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    They have also transcended the Multiverse and surpassed their limits, becoming refined Multiverses in their own right. This is the Realm of True Infinity, which is truly endless and boundless, surpassing incomplete logic and infinite limits, including the limit of endless ascension. Omnipotence awakened the greatest, strongest, and most inconceivable power. It is completely illogical and indescribable, and any thought about it is wrong, and any retort against it is moot.
    Those were immeasurably powerful beings which surpassed their own limits and transcended the Multiverse itself-in fact,they were refined Multiverses in their own right.
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    The so-called ultimate was to surpass these seemingly infinite limits and achieve omniscience and omnipotence. It was a realm that was truly endless, boundless, and boundless. It was to surpass incomplete logic and prove the true infinity.
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    [Endless ascension was in itself a limit]
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    Omnipotence awakened. An omnipotence that could not possibly exist. When all the harsh conditions were met, theOmnipotence awakened in an instant that could not be measured by time.
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    Omnipotencewas the greatest, strongest, and most inconceivable power.
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    Last but not least, indescribable and illogical 'Omnipotence and Omniscience': any thought was mistaken, any retort moot.
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    BleedingPeach

    Also... don't you think that Jack Nance from Ereaserhead is cosplaying Emil Cioran?
    BleedingPeach
    BleedingPeach
    Thank you, Ultima. In my eyes you're a demigod, not a god because "god" doesn't exists... I think.
    Lloydblitzed
    Can u comment on this Tier 1 thread?
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    Ninjago: Tier 1

    So, decided to make Ninjago Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be 1-C. TLDR The Ethereal Divide is 1-C due to it is space is of a higher dimensional nature with not affected by Mergequakes storm which only work with a higher temporal...
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    hi. Does Platonism have r>f admin?
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    RigelBR7
    RigelBR7
    We do not use Platonism as qualitative superiority here.
    Grabbing_dragon
    Grabbing_dragon
    No Platonism is both 1A and 0
    1A because the forms are true reality while reality is shadow,illusion and transcendent over spacetime that goes beyond any physical Factor also they also have others feats needed for 1A conceptual maniplation .
    ZeroTwo64
    Hi, that Beat975 user plagiarised a Madoka blog I wrote somewhere else and published a carbon copy of it without asking my permission first. Should I contact you or someone else to take measures against them?
    RigelBR7
    Hello Ultima, it's me again. Can you add me to my new Discord so I can ask you some questions in private? My new Nick there is rigelbr7pro

    If you can please add me there, or give me your Discord nickname, because last time your account wasn't receiving any messages, I think something went wrong. I remember I was talking to you and we had some pending matters, but I lost the old account. If you can, add me there.
    Beat975
    Hi Ultima, I would like to do a trhead for Ultimate Madoka outerversal. Can I do or this require a staff discussion? Thanks for the future answer
    Hirotoswnn1x
    Ultima, I have a few questions. "Infinite worlds will converge to become a larger world, and the larger world will increase in power over and over". Is this counted as High1-B+ or High1-B?
    Thanks for the answer.🙏🏻
    KingNanaya
    Hello. Could I please be given permission to comment on this thread?
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    The Disappearance of Void Shiki's Root Scaling

    i can already predict whats going to happen if i do NOT make this a staff thread, so ill go on ahead and do it. Alright, we’ve been told by @Ultima_Reality off site that this topic doesn’t intersect with the root thread, so it should be fine for these specific topics to be going on at the same...
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    LOTM_Historian
    Hey Ultima, could you give us an update on your thoughts regarding the Lord of the Mysteries CRT?

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    Upgrading Lord of the Mysteries

    We have been downplaying Lord of the Mysteries characters for quite a while now. Since the Earth is locked behind the world barrier, we aren't able to see massive DC feats within the material world. However, Lord of the Mysteries compensates for that by characters affecting higher dimensional...
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    god_cat
    hello ultima, you told me that the force will be 0 in the latest star wars legends, so oneness jacen solo and force ghosts, which merge with the force and are said to enter into an absolute union, will scale exactly at what tier.
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    Elyartaker
    Hello ultima.

    Having R>F transcendence over any 1-A structure would only scale one layer higher right(and not High 1-A)?

    is it possible to define it in a way that it can reach High 1-A? if so how?
    VeryGoofyToddler2
    Hi, Mr. Ultima read my thread, please:

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    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo(Part 1 of 2)

    Hi, since the the tiering system has been changed not too long ago. I decided to overlook the DC Cosmology blog page and wanted to revise the tiering and explanation on the blog. @Elizio33 is handling the Crisis Cosmology section of the blog. So I decided to handle J.M. DeMatteis and Vertigo...
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    Megaraptor149
    Hello Ultima Sorry to bother you. I want to ask before creating a profile, especially about tier. Do you think this low 1-C is based on the justification on his profile?

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    Megaraptor149/Alicia Y Armitage

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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    That honestly looks fake.
    Megaraptor149
    Megaraptor149
    Alright, so 2-A then?

    Good think i don't need create CRT at first place due to tier 2 below.
    Megaraptor149
    Megaraptor149
    Ehm actually this still can be argue as Low 1-C due to everything nothing more than a dream for Gods. Although this doesnt qualify for 1-A requirement due to Gods not seen the dream as mere "nothing unreal".

    DarkVoid
    Hello Ultima. Could you answer a question?

    How far can a realm that exists beyond time and space, and also sees time and space as an illusion, be scaled in terms of the Tiering System?


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    At face value would be 1-A. Though I know the Force in the Star Wars EU is probably Tier 0, so I wonder how that relates to it.
    Huesito88
    Hey Ultima quick question where would these guys scale in the new cosmology?

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    Brothers (Megaverse)

    The Brothers are a pair of cosmic entities that each represent the DC Universe and the Marvel Universe. Being the physical embodiments of their respective Multiverses, both entities are shown as being so immensely powerful that even the Living Tribunal and the Spectre were beneath their...
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    Livinaa
    Hello Ultima. Sorry if I'm bothering you, since you seem to be busy most of the time, but if you have free time, can you check out Dragon Talisman High 1-A thread? Rabbit and i already posted the scans for stacked transduality.

    If you accept the stacked transduality, then all that's left in that thread would be to call other staffs involved in the thread, and to change the conclusion in the OP.
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    Livinaa
    Livinaa
    I posted scans for the Spiritual Network giving Deathless above 10th Deathless stacked transduality. If that still isn't enough for Deathless hierarchy being an infinite extensions of meta, then see Rabbit's new scans of HBH (Heaven Beyond Heaven), with baseline HBH containing the entire Deathless hierarchy.
    Livinaa
    Livinaa
    If you still disagree with Spiritual Network giving Deathless above 10th Deathless stacked transduality, and also disagree with Rabbit's new scans about HBH (Heaven Beyond Heaven), then we will give up the argument for infinite extensions of meta, and settle with just infinite layers into Meta-quality for Deathless hierarchy, with Gu Chensha in baseline Meta-meta-quality.
    Livinaa
    Livinaa
    I posted some scans that may help prove stacked transduality. Also if stacked transduality is still not accepted, then HBH is much more likely to prove Gu being above meta-meta...-quality framework, since no one in the Deathless hierarchy can go to the next HBH.
    HelloThere1089
    Hi. Apologies for bothering ya. I just have one question. Does the wiki treat the words "Spacetime" and "Spacetime continuum" differently? I was under the impression that both of them are used interchangeably (at least in physics). Is there any specific distinction between the two that the wiki makes?
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