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Ultima_Reality
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  • Hello there. Would you please provide your input on this refutation of one of the justifications for tier 1 God of War? In short, the argument is that while this Low 1-C justification is based off of the assumption that the Nine Realms in God of War are geometrically "parallel" based off of a generalization of the definition of "parallel" to higher dimensions, there actually is no evidence of this or reason to go by this assumption whatsoever. To put it in even less words, one of the central premises of their argument is completely ungrounded. If you wish, you could also hold off on giving your input until other members give counterarguments.
    TyphonEX
    TyphonEX
    But really quick, do you think that spatially finite realms that extend infinitely temporally have to be parallel in the sense that there is no path between them via 3D movement? That seems to be one of the main points of contention. My assertion is that they do NOT have to be parallel in that sense and thus do not need an extra dimension to be embedded in. Kind of like this. Their extensions through the time dimension are parallel, but they are not fully parallel since it is in fact possible to travel from one realm to another via their dimensional axes, which I called spatial component 1 and spatial component 2 in the diagram. Of course, this is only possible for realms that are finite in at least one of their dimensions. Meanwhile the others in the thread claim otherwise and claim that other staff members have already established that.
    TyphonEX
    TyphonEX
    Also, both sides have made arguments in the thread now. What do you think?
    TyphonEX
    TyphonEX
    Hello @Ultima_Reality . A lot of arguments have been made now and I feel that it would be a good time to give your input in the God of War thread please. Thank you
    Hello ultima!

    I had a question about High 1-A+.
    Can High 1-A+ characters have superiority to each other? I remember seeing in a thread, it was rumoured you said high 1-A+ are equal and cannot be stronger to weaker than eachother.
    But it seems a bit... Weird? What should we do if inverse it happens?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    It's in the Tiering System page.
    Elyartaker
    Elyartaker
    "That said, characters who embody the framework of all possible worlds properly speaking may be rightly considered more powerful than those that can simply create arbitrarily big possible worlds while nevertheless existing in one."
    are you refering to this? if so, I can't lie it's abit confusing. I had some discussions with others and we couldn't reach a conclusion what this exactly means.
    I would really appreciate alot if you could elaborate more, with all thanks and sorry in advance for being a headache to you🙏
    Elyartaker
    I have a question, Mr. Cat. Answer me and I'll pay you generously.

    It's about type 1 concepts. So, if the concepts of time and space in a verse are shown to be independent (IE Type 1), and said concepts were shown to be the things to make, well, everything in terms of time and space. Would those concepts extend to all possible dimensions and stuff? I recall a statement of yours somewhere about how if time and space concepts were shown to be the source for all of time and space, they might be considered Low 1-A.

    Answer me, Mr. Cat 🙏
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah, if the character literally is the essence of space/time (As in, they literally are "what-it-is-to-be-space/time") and this essence is irreducible to and independent from particular spatiotemporal things, it'd be around that range.
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    Thank you, Cat.
    Hello, sorry for bothering you. Can you take a look at this question?
    People said to ask you about it.
    Hi, if you are willing and have the time I would greatly appreciate if you could give input on the Tier High 5-A Revision.
    We are currently in a deadlock 6-4 in favour but we need at least another vote to pass it.
    Hi, I'm just here to ask about space between dimensions. Would it need some kind of qualitative superiority to reach 5D. Or is just a range feat?
    Hello Ultima I have a question as I am new to VSBW. I have a question about High1-A and High1-A Meta-meta-qualitative superiority. How does it work differently than layers, i.e. characters at High1-A level above baseline, and High1-A Meta-meta-qualitative superiority. My overall question is, how is Meta-meta-qualitative superiority different from layers and how does it work?
    Hello what tier would this qualify for?Infinite↑↑↑↑↑........infinite (number of "↑" is infinite in amount using Knuth's up arrow notation) amount of 2-A realms. Is this Low 1-A? 1-A? High 1-A?
    Hello Ultima May I ask, this achievement should be 2A or High1-B? Since there is no mention of R>F, simply put, the infinite worldview converges into a larger worldview, a worldview in which the infinite worldview converges into a larger worldview. And this will happen over and over again endlessly. This repetition and separation, this cycle, will expand the worldview one time at a time, endlessly. With each iteration of this worldview, the power will increase more and more than before. For Taoism, the concept of time can be spoken immediately, achieved immediately, and then everything can be born and destroyed immediately. There is no meaning of time, and it can be seen, and it is beyond the concept of understanding.
    Quick tier 0 question, but if a large group of characters in a verse can comprehend and directly connect to a "widely debated if it is or is-not" tier 0 power source. Does that automatically make it an anti feat and thus cannot be tier 0?
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah, I've seen those. Overall, the only problematic part that I see (Besides the general idea of "Reaching the Root," which I believe is sufficiently safeguarded by the verse already, as I said on the thread) is in the last scan, where Void Shiki talks about the " " being bestowed with a sort of will, which at prima facie would imply a change in the Root.

    From what I've been shown, though, this is less the Root itself somehow developing a will in its essence (And thus changing) and moreso Shiki's own body developing a personality through its own physical processes, and this flesh-personality being the persona of Void Shiki. Not much of an issue.
    TheUnshakableOne
    TheUnshakableOne
    About the scans that say characters are directly connected to the root?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Not a problem.
    Hello Ultima, last time this thread ended with a "possibly" rating for Low 1-A via "Absolute Infinity", but I have created a new one for Low 1-A. Could you please give your input again? I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah I'll check.
    Kubo423
    Kubo423
    Hi, sorry to bother you, Ultima, but I have a question, can Low 1-A characters who are naturally above dimensionality get BDE2?

    Moreover, characters that aren't naturally above dimensionality can reach them, but they can only see them and cannot do anything to them. Reaching them requires help from those who are also naturally above dimensionality. Also, those who are naturally above dimensionality cannot lie down to a lower state of existence.
    Can you queue this on Tier 0 revision hub? It seems like you mislook it and skipped it. It's really a simple one.
    Can I get your input here?
    Some question about quantitative superiority

    While i know the most clear proof for have that is to have uncountable infinity but what about other proof

    If the low 2C or just 4D structure are just a page in a book inside the infinite world, are this world can be low 1C? It not say something like quantity or prove the gap was uncountable infinity, but if you read the proof it clearly mean the infinite world are higher world and the low 2C are lower world here

    And also for power. If this character's power or existence beyond infinity exceeds of the same hierarchy (not higher D hierarchy) beyond the very limit of world, are this character can be low 1C?
    you didn't approve the panel I sent you the other days but I found something new, it states that the exegol that lukenin saw in his vision was an abstract space and then it turned into a concrete reality, here he refers to an abstract space as a context by saying that it didn't even exist outside the limits of his mind and that's why I think this achievement can be scaled higher
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    Hey Ultima. Is this High 1-A or simply 1-A+ (Not related to my thread/verse, just curious)
    Whether it is insects, flowers, houses, people, cities, countries, civilizations, planets, suns, galaxies; whether it is planes, worlds, universes, or even the integration of all time and space, they are essentially the same.

    They are all derivatives of "Taiyi Hunyuan" - just like Wuji becomes Taiji, Taiji is divided into Yin and Yang, and black and white give rise to endless things. The essence of all things is the divine power flowing from Taiyi Hunyuan, so all things exist with Taiyi Hunyuan. Except Taiyi Hunyuan, all things are "meaningless nothingness". Walking out of the top of the mountain in this dream world, you can transcend the dream and become an existence in the real world. This is the so-called "ascension", from illusion to reality, to a higher level of existence. Nothingness breeds reality, and all beings in reality dream, just like Taiji with Yang in Yin and Yin in Yang. Staring at the phantom in the bubble, then turning his head and looking around at the infinite bubble phantom in the infinite void, Su Zhou nodded slowly: "In the world of existence, all beings dream and imagine; and in the world of nothingness, the world condenses in dreams...existence and nothingness, bubbles and reality, so mixed into infinity, it is worthy of being a torrent. "
    Taiyi Hunyuan swallowed Su Zhou into his multi-dimensional prototype's 'dream of nothingness', and then with infinite divine power, transformed his multi-dimensional prototype into a dream of nothingness of a larger level of time and space... Not only that, the robe began to stack infinitely, trying to suppress Su Zhou and seal him in an infinite cycle of dreams within dreams within dreams!
    Su Zhou tried to break free from the dream and return himself to reality. Even though his torrent path was 'infinite and eternal', the element of 'absolute' had not been fully comprehended, but the young man who had created Zhu Zhoutian could fully guarantee his absolute reality.

    Immediately, with Su Zhou's thoughts, he walked out of the dream and became real.

    However, at the moment of walking out, Su Zhou immediately realized that the reality he was in now was still a 'dream
    '.

    "Interesting.

    He laughed and took another step forward, and this step was not just to climb a layer, but like a step through the three realms, one step to shatter the dream seal of infinite levels and directly reach the top level of reality.

    At once, the infinite seal created by Taiyi Hunyuan was broken - but Su Zhou frowned slightly.

    Because he was still in a dream.

    Su Zhou continued to move forward, but no matter how many times he broke through the Tai Chi constructed by dreams and reality, no matter how many times he "ascended", he could not climb to the top - even if he ascended infinitely, there was still an infinitely high "relative reality" to pursue.

    The reincarnation of illusion and reality, transcending again and again, ascending again and again, is nothing more than entering another illusory reincarnation.

    Su Zhou can ensure that he is real, but there is no way to reach the "absolute reality".


    A person has inspiration in his mind, Inspiration diverges, and the relationship between inspiration and people is the first level of illusion and reality.
    Inspiration diverges, and he writes a book. The relationship between the book and inspiration is the second level of illusion and reality.
    The characters in the book are naturally divided into those with written words and those without written words. One is a character, and the other is a background. The relationship between the background and the character is the third level of illusion and reality.
    And the character of the background had a dream without being told in the book, and neither the reader nor the author knew about it. The relationship between the dream in the book and the character of the background is the fourth level of illusion and reality.

    People and books, books and people in books, people in books also have dreams, and passers-by in the dream of people in books who may never have written anything also have dreams, and this dream still has dreams within dreams...

    Su Zhou was sealed at the farthest end of the infinite dream. He wanted to jump out of one layer, jump out of infinite layers, and there were still infinite layers waiting for him to continue climbing.

    The creator of delusion and the real world have the power to control delusion and make it come true at will. Any avenue, any creature, any mind, any technique, any thing, any realm, anything known and thought, all things and phenomena are the reflections in the mirror of the robes, and the truth they acknowledge.
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    hello ultima today i have a question about the mind realms that appear in star wars old republic this is the only article we know about these realms so i wonder exactly what tier it scales at
    Hi, do you have time to evaluate this?
    Hey Ultima, I was wondering if I could have permission to comment on the "Should we make profiles for The Divine Comedy" thread? As someone who's both deeply religious and has read all three parts, I feel like I've got some things to say.
    Hello Ultima. Could you answer a question?

    How far can a universe, which contains immeasurable breadth, length, depth, and height, be scaled in terms of Tiering System?

    “The Lords of Lucidulum, who governed Vomestra, would not share their knowledge of cross-dimensional travel that the Celestials had granted them long ago in the Earliest Days, for the freedom to traverse the immeasurable breadth, length, depth, and height of the universe-including that of the Primary World-was a boon that few possessed. The Asogians trusted in their connection to the Force more than to appearances, and for ages none discovered their secret of exploring strange realms beyond Skyriver, collecting what plants and wisdom they could...”
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    If a character has Acausality Type 5 via eternal existence, does it automatically include plot, or is it necessary to prove that plot is an aspect in the verse.
    Hello
    Can I get permission to speak on the Divine comedy thread?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    What do you plan to say?
    Testarossa002
    Testarossa002
    My first interaction with Divine Comedy was when I read one of Dan Brown's books (who himself got a lot of flak from the Christians). I'm not really against indexing it, but I feel it's something we'll be better off not doing.

    Social media and all affiliated media run, sadly, on sensationalism. As much as media literacy is a problem, the ability to do basic research on anything before commenting on it is something that's rapidly dying out.

    All it takes is one reddit post or a bad YouTube thumbnail, and our reputation will be in hot water.

    The site and its users will likely become a target for christian extremists (let's not kid ourselves. They exist).

    2 years ago, a staff member here made a statement that was taken out of context. A YouTube video was made piling on him and the site by extension. The comments section was a mess, and people even made fun of him for it on the site.

    I don't think said staff member was negatively affected by the video and its aftermath, but not everyone has that level of mental fortitude against cyberbullying.

    This site, for better or worse, is top 2 in terms of battleboarding off popularity, so something like this will eventually make its way out.

    I'm aware that there are other similar examples to DC, but this may be a case where we judge it regardless of our standards and let sleeping dogs lie.

    This is my opinion as someone with an experience with managing social media on behalf of brands.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah, you've my permission.
    Does this still need 3 votes like she already has accepted BDE 2 and has an obvious low 1A
    Hello Ultima. Could you answer this question?

    Unless I misinterpreted the scan, this scan states that the nothingless called hyperspace has no distance, direction, or time. Does this exactly scale to anywhere?
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    ey,huh,apologies for like,pestering you,but can i have permission to make a comment on the "should we make profiles for the divine comedy" thread?
    Homie890
    im gonna say that,if an god profile is too controverse,then,why not make an profile for,well,the inverse of god,the devil,since,if i recall correctly,the devil is on the divine comedy
    and i don't think making profile for the embodiment of evil,is,well,controverse.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah this is a point already half-considered there, so I don't think it'd add much, sorry.
    Homie890
    ok,also thanks
    hi ultima once again I would like to ask you a question, in this panel luke sees a vision without space timeless and without dimension limits does this scale anywhere
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