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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

wait a minute I just checked vsbw's calc for the blackbeard planet wide earth quake and that shit is moon level, even when taking into account the size of the planet
 
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Question If they ever did Wesker vs Liquid Snake what do you guys think should be included? Both of them have a lot of cool shit that isn't standard.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
The more a shounen talks about the bonds usually the weaker the relationships are since they half ass showing us them develop because they can just have the MC give a word vomit about how strong their bonds are.
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Related to the previous Mash vs Asta talk I was spouting but I really like how friendship and bonds are tackled in Mashle. Bonds are a pretty up front topic in the series, but not on a verbal way, because while Mash does start off pretty pensive and quiet due to being isolated in the woods with his Pa for his own good (the magicless are executed if found out about even as babies so it really is for his own good), he slowly becomes more talkative and forward with his ideals due to finally making friends over the course of the school-year.

It all culminates in this series of heart warming pages right at the tail end of the series. (Ignore the delusions of Lemon there, they're not actually in a relationship)
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Uroboros form is lowkey a massive nerf for Wesker in Vs Debates since it just gives him an unquantifiable strength buff in exchange for turbo nerfing his speed.
 

Man...SOMEBODY COOKED WITH THIS ONE!.
(connections in the comments):

Originally started out as pathetic, overlooked individuals serving under or beside more prominent figures, harboring a deep-seated resentment for their lack of status (Hal being the "loser" cameraman ignored by Roxanne, while Sidmodius was a lowly minister/deserter who used to serve his king and lacked the power to lead).

They are defined by an obsessive desire for a power that does not belong to them, specifically targeting the essence of the "Greatest" beings in their respective universes to bridge the gap between their mediocrity and their ego (Hal being injected with Metro Man's DNA to gain his powers, and Sidmodius fusing With the Ses-Trad Box).

Both would eventually adopt a false heroic identity to manipulate the public and the people they felt entitled to (Hal becoming "Tighten" to "rescue" Roxanne and earn her love, and Sidmodius donning the "Baron Raknaki" persona to trick the Masara tribes into seeing him as a savior so he could be elected King).

However, these heroic facades were fragile and purely transactional; they only "saved" people to receive adoration, and the moment they were rejected or challenged, they immediately turned on the people they claimed to protect (Hal terrorizing Metro City after Roxanne rejected him, and Sidmodius turning Into the Super Yaki After absorbing Chronan Sun).

As the protagonists' secondary antagonists, they were initially overshadowed by a more "theatrical" or "established" villain (Megamind and Marshal Zorn). However, they would eventually usurp the position of the main threat, proving to be far more dangerous and unstable than their predecessors because they lacked any sense of "code" or restraint (Megamind points out Tighten is "pure evil" compared to his own theatrical villainy, and Sidmodius becomes a "Super Yaki" that even the Goddess of Evil couldn't control).

They both share a pivotal "under new management" moment where they seize control of a city or dimension, not to rule it with a vision, but to spitefully dominate it because they finally have the "biggest stick" (Tighten’s famous quote while flicking the Mayor, and Sidmodius transforming the Masarians into Yakis to build a mindless army).

There is a major historical parallel in how they were both "created" by a more intelligent manipulator who intended to use them as a tool (Megamind "creating" a hero to fight, and Chronam-Yatt using Sidmodius to pave the way for the Great Zorn). In both cases, the plan backfires spectacularly when the "puppet" develops a god complex, becoming a chaotic variable that the original master can no longer handle.

Despite their massive power upgrades (the Metro Man DNA and the Ses-Trad Box fusion), their downfall comes from their inability to understand the true source of the protagonists' strength. They view power as purely physical or destructive, whereas the heroes defeat them through ingenuity and unity.

Ultimately, they are both stripped of their stolen divinity and returned to a state of total insignificance (Hal being depowered and sent to a prison cell, and Sidmodius being reduced to ashes), leaving behind a legacy of being "accidental" villains who were given a seat at the table and chose to burn the whole house down out of spite.
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SharkBook01 said:
Uroboros form is lowkey a massive nerf for Wesker in Vs Debates since it just gives him an unquantifiable strength buff in exchange for turbo nerfing his speed
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IDK how/where to vent this but this is kinda unrelated but


I HATE multipliers in scaling so much dude, it genuinely hurts debates so much if one guy just has a super form that makes them 10000x stronger and faster or some shit and half the verses that are used get stuck with a gigantic upscaling chain but NOOOOOOO it's unquantifiable so they always lose to a guy with a 2x multiplier.
 
I hope we get Jack Sparrow vs Indiana Jones this season because it's my favorite matchup and I'm currently reworking their respective profiles and verses
 
I remember seeing people have Indy at City level via the Nuke Fridge moment, but that's just a case of Plot-Induced Stupidity, isn't it?
 
Not gonna lie, I feel like whenever Luffy or some other high tier One Piece character gets used we're gonna have another repeat of the disconnect between DB and the average viewer. Because imagine reading a series where big islands are destroyed and then being told that actually these characters can destroy small planets and moons.
 
Queen Chrysalis vs Thragg (MLP vs Invincible). Now now, hear me out

Both Thragg and Chrysalis are the ex leaders of their race, having taken over countless places as tyrants. They don't believe in bonds at all, their species turned on them and embraced love due to a trader (Throax/Omni-Man who both become the new more peaceful rulers), causing them to be exiled by their race, they come back for revenge making clones/kids (Mean Six/Thraggs kids), and in the end die/turned to stone because they kept refusing redemption, and kept fighting till the bitter end (Thragg fighting Mark in the Sun until he died/Queen Chrysalis, even with her power up gone lunged at our heroes in one last attempt to attack them even when being turned to stone)

In the end Queen Chrysalis wins and she wins on the same way of what she threatened to do to Spike but couldn't because of (plot armor) the shows rateing aka telekineticy rip thragg apart

Tldr Thragg dies the same way he tried to kill Mark

It's like poetry, it rhymes
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
wait a minute I just checked vsbw's calc for the blackbeard planet wide earth quake and that shit is moon level, even when taking into account the size of the planet
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yeah, this is why the verse was on war with the calcs (to the point they locked the verse trying to fix calcs for it)... the Planet has the same size of the sun if you took these values...
 
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