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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

AnAverageUsername said:
You'd have a point if Sean was dunking on GvS 2, but no, they're dunking on GvS 3, and saying 2 was better than it

You know, GvS 2, the episode that actually butchered both characters, that episode
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Yeah thats dumb.

If I had to be critical of GvS3 and its writing, it was a little too eager beaver in trying to be le wholesome 100 and epic chungus peak cinema, but thats me nitpicking.

Its spot on character wise
 
AcidSilver said:
The episode that perfectly characterized Goku, gave him immeasurable speeds and said he was strong enough to destroy his own cosmology several times over killed Dragon Ball in VS? You serious?
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Yes, the episode that mischaracterized Goku, bullshitted him to Immeasurable to make the scalers look bad instead of using the multiple way more sensical methods, capped Dragon Ball at 4D, used out of context comic panels like being amped by a white sun or by 6D suns to mislead people, had a terrible fight with awful choreography and amounted to two T-posing 3D models bumping into each other with a lightshow playing over them, had stupid "distortions" showing exclusively Supermans that stomp their Goku (like the Thought Robot vs Xeno Goku instead of God Fusion Goku, his actual MU), and pulled the exact same shit they tried in GvS 2 where they lectured you that it's actually good that Superman stomps Goku forever.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Yes, the episode that mischaracterized Goku, bullshitted him to Immeasurable to make the scalers look bad instead of using the multiple way more sensical methods, capped Dragon Ball at 4D, used out of context comic panels like being amped by a white sun or by 6D suns to mislead people, had a terrible fight with awful choreography and amounted to two T-posing 3D models bumping into each other with a lightshow playing over them, had stupid "distortions" showing exclusively Supermans that stomp their Goku (like the Thought Robot vs Xeno Goku instead of God Fusion Goku, his actual MU),
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Gonna ignore all this cause its genuinely a sight issue you have, but
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
and pulled the exact same shit they tried in GvS 2 where they lectured you that it's actually good that Superman stomps Goku forever.
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If that's what you got out of the whole post-analysis, instead of how these fights and MUs are made out of a love for the game and just having fun, then you are one sad sorry person who has their head deep into their own ass.

And that's just pitiful.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Yes, the episode that mischaracterized Goku, bullshitted him to Immeasurable to make the scalers look bad instead of using the multiple way more sensical methods, capped Dragon Ball at 4D, used out of context comic panels like being amped by a white sun or by 6D suns to mislead people, had a terrible fight with awful choreography and amounted to two T-posing 3D models bumping into each other with a lightshow playing over them, had stupid "distortions" showing exclusively Supermans that stomp their Goku (like the Thought Robot vs Xeno Goku instead of God Fusion Goku, his actual MU), and pulled the exact same shit they tried in GvS 2 where they lectured you that it's actually good that Superman stomps Goku forever.
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Like I can agree the choreography in GvS3 was cookie cutter but like literally everything else in that statement was nonsensical.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
capped Dragon Ball at 4D,
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They had Goku at 5D
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
used out of context comic panels like being amped by a white sun or by 6D suns to mislead people, had a terrible fight with awful choreography and amounted to two T-posing 3D models bumping into each other with a lightshow playing over them
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Superman has other avenues to let him out scale regardless the rest you just say is pointless gibberish and idiotic ramblings
Doggo said:
randomwhowouldwinstuff.blogspot.com

Ichigo Kurosaki VS Yusuke Urameshi (Bleach VS Yu Yu Hakusho)

"In every battle, there comes a time when both sides consider themselves beaten. Then he who continues the attack wins." - Ulysses S. Grant ...
randomwhowouldwinstuff.blogspot.com randomwhowouldwinstuff.blogspot.com

Holy moly Naruto and Madara should've died lmao
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Nah most of the stuff supporting Ichigo now didn't exist back In 2017 and trying to argue uni bleach back then would've gotten you jump sane with Aizen tho you can argue hax and immortality should've allowed him to edge out

Y'all got to remember vs was a different animal back then to now
 
Tipper17 said:
Yep it wasn't until the anime came in that help support cosmic bleach
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And they still consider bleach hill level
The memes are crazy
Goku Vs Yhwach
Should be the next MU with how much attention that could bring ☠️
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Yes, the episode that mischaracterized Goku, bullshitted him to Immeasurable to make the scalers look bad instead of using the multiple way more sensical methods, capped Dragon Ball at 4D, used out of context comic panels like being amped by a white sun or by 6D suns to mislead people, had a terrible fight with awful choreography and amounted to two T-posing 3D models bumping into each other with a lightshow playing over them, had stupid "distortions" showing exclusively Supermans that stomp their Goku (like the Thought Robot vs Xeno Goku instead of God Fusion Goku, his actual MU), and pulled the exact same shit they tried in GvS 2 where they lectured you that it's actually good that Superman stomps Goku forever.
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Also, there are other ways to get superman above multi..
Goku ain't always winning his fights. Get him to win his inverse fights B4 we pit him against characters that have more hax than all of dragon ball. Even smurf hax verses could still wipe the floor with DB . Goku isn't everything.
 
Also had no idea DA was stepping back as an animator for DB.

While I do appreciate and respect all he's done, I am glad he's taking time away from the show to improve and experiment as an animator.

I have nothing but respect for him but if I had to be honest, his work stagnated in my eyes after he switched to Blender. I still think his best work was his Popeye vs Satiama section four years ago. His style had gotten stale and wasn't getting any less clunky, it just got higher graphical fidelity.

Then when you have other animators in the game like SXR and especially Souljenx who are bringing their own fresh styles, I do think it was time for a change in pace to see other animators take front stage.

I think Torrian coming back was kind of a 'here's how much room you have left to grow' moment for the animators, and as harsh as it sounds, artistically I think something like that is needed for anyone looking to improve their craft.

I'll definitely still stay subbed to DA and follow his work on his own channel.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
but respect for him but if I had to be honest, his work stagnated in my eyes after he switched to Blender. I still think his best work was his Popeye vs Satiama section four years ago. His style had gotten stale and wasn't getting any less clunky, it just got higher graphical fidelity.
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I say personally say his style works when it's mainly a spectical to the problem came when the mu he worked required more than that in kratosura and omnidock mainly the former specifically


I do feel the original plan before him leaving was to take a break focus more on improving his HTH stuff and be innovated on the chorography in his own way
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
I didn’t realize until I saw the list of the episodes he did that basically all my problems with 3D Death Battles come from him.
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Tbf a lot of the time he got ****** by other stuff (IRL problems with Jason vs Michael, horrid verdict and shit storm with OmniDock, God awful writing and mediocre storyboards for Kratosura, etc), though he definitely has his major faults in his own right, like general jankiness and whatnot.
 
Was DA even known for making fight animations? He seems to be more specialized in facial expressions, visual effects, and lighting, rather than dynamic movement. He feels more like a supporting animator, not the lead animator for a fighting animation, honestly.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Yes, the episode that mischaracterized Goku, bullshitted him to Immeasurable to make the scalers look bad instead of using the multiple way more sensical methods, capped Dragon Ball at 4D, used out of context comic panels like being amped by a white sun or by 6D suns to mislead people, had a terrible fight with awful choreography and amounted to two T-posing 3D models bumping into each other with a lightshow playing over them, had stupid "distortions" showing exclusively Supermans that stomp their Goku (like the Thought Robot vs Xeno Goku instead of God Fusion Goku, his actual MU), and pulled the exact same shit they tried in GvS 2 where they lectured you that it's actually good that Superman stomps Goku forever.
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I (personally) disagree with your interpretation that Death Battle ending analysis said it was "good that Superman stomps Goku Forever".

Just because Death Battle has DC cosmology being bigger than canon Dragon Ball (which most people agree), does not mean they mischaracterize or hate Goku/Dragon Ball🤦‍♂️.

If anything, as someone who loves Dragon Ball (especially the original anime, Rest in Peace Toriyama), I think GvS3 showed us that Death Battle loved Goku and Dragon Ball.

I have disagreed with Death Battle on things such as OmniDock analysis (like the Sundisk shenanigans), but never have I thought the Death Battle cast hated Goku or Dragon Ball.

At the end of the day, powerscaling is subjective and a hobby. Sometimes it just ain't that serious.

It should be noted Death Battle's GvS3 ending analysis literally spells out how it's up to interpretation and that they're having fun pitting characters against each other.
 
I mean "its just an interpretation" rings hollow when research team Swan did 1h cast to defend Hal beating Ben lol

And like, they have made us drink the capeshit wankage so much that yeah, I too dislike GvS3 despite it obviously being great, because there is no way Goku would win, and that sucks ******* ass. Im willing to give a pass to stuff like Ichigo vs Yusuke, because its been a long time for both series to be in, and those 2 specifically havent fought yet. They made Black, Vegeta & Goku eat shit and even made le joke for Bardock. Yeah, I kinda ******* hate that. If Bleach is said to be treated badly in DB, then frankly one could argue DBZ has done really badly as well (and numerous other verses too). One could argue "but they made Broly win?" but like cmon read the room. Core DB fans will just say that that one is wrong. Hell, they are ready to claim that Carol beats 18 as well.

Its obviously easy to say bad shit about easy targets like TophGaara & YangTifa, but the lines can get really blurry. BenHal verdict is actually kinda bad even if Hal wins but fans still make fun of Ben fans.
 
Tipper17 said:
Nah most of the stuff supporting Ichigo now didn't exist back In 2017 and trying to argue uni bleach back then would've gotten you jump sane with Aizen tho you can argue hax and immortality should've allowed him to edge out

Y'all got to remember vs was a different animal back then to now
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Excluding the new anime, wasnt other stuff like the movies and what not already available even during these 2 fights? Just that they werent counted canon by people?
 
GvS is old hat compared to Lion Vs Tiger; that's the new GvS. And lets be real, the actual best version of GvS is Sun Wukong vs Heracles/Hercules.

But yeah, it's nowadays Lion Vs Tiger is the new most common debate people are nerd raging for.
 
Death Battle, as in Chad and Ben, don't hate Dragon Ball and it's silly that this is still a discussion. They clearly love it, they've stated they like Goku more than Superman, and are more than likely aware of Dragon Ball's role in revolutionizing modern battle boarding/power scaling as well as how it helped put Death Battle on the map way back when.

Shit, I don't even think they research team hates the series in of itself, I think a very select few just aren't good at researching it and can be overly dismissive, defensive, and antagonistic towards Dragon Ball fans due to the backlash they get when they shit the bed, whether it's speedy and the sun disc shit, or ultraguy headcanoning god tier base forms away out of his personal dislike of multipliers, as well as finite speed Xeno Trunks, cherry picking low end Planet Vegeta destruction calcs, the list goes on.

So, at worst, like literally the very worst you can put on anyone on the Death Battle staff is a few researchers who aren't good at scaling Dragon Ball and don't particularly conduct themselves well when interacting with the fandom or responding to feedback or taking accountability for fck ups. And like if I had to reach for something, iirc one of the current discord moderators had a history of very generally accusing Dragon Ball fans of horrid shit and would instigate shit in their discord topic and turn around and play coy.

Again, this is me actively searching for this apparently institutional mandate from Death Battle Inc that had declared it a core prerogative to hate Dragon Ball. They made a shitty episode over a decade ago, move on.

So yeah, it's nonsense and it makes me roll my eyes when I hear it because there are valid critiques to make but this is not it.
 
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Goku prolly has shot of non-Supes fight. Krillin could get a fight. Gogeta could get fed to Omegaaaa and Zamasu to capeshit... again lol

But yeah, a lot of big ones might be done? Hell, the reason Gohan, Piccolo & Cell havent had one is cause they never had good "it" MU.

You could use lesser characters like Hit, but they feel less likely.
 
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