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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

RinneItachi said:
You know none of this proves a point. And you're failing to upset me if that's your objective here. At this stage you've been proven utterly wrong by multiple people and yet still deny and refuse, not out of an actual argumentative drive or focus, but simply because you don't want to even acknowledge a different opinion. You're just ignorant. Not even gonna bother replying to you if this is how you intend to conduct yourself.
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I’ve been in your same boat, so I completely understand what you mean, but the difference is I came to realize it’s not as grandiose as I initially thought it was. Whereas you?? 😂😂 Yeah, please stop talking to me. I have no time for someone like you either.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Bro keeps using the editor text of "He took damage" that was erased when the volume was released
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"Editor text"? Yeah sure, it's editor text. The same goes for all statements in initial page. I'm sure you wouldn’t like it either way if I used an alternative statement like Boros statement, and would still have something to say, so there’s no point in talking to you about this matter.
 
Worthless said:
"Editor text"? Yeah sure, it's editor text. The same goes for all statements in initial page.
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Of course, all of them are. That's why we don't use it lol
Worthless said:
I'm sure you wouldn’t like it either way if I used an alternative statement like Boros statement, and would still have something to say, so there’s no point in talking to you about this matter.
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Bro's fighting against his own mind here😭
 
Translation is out on Cubari.

I don't have much to say about this chapter. The art is very confusing, and I don't really get this Void development.
 
Crackpot chapter, but kinda sick choreography wise. The translation felt like it took forever to come out so looking at the spoilers in Yacine's upload I been going through the motions of imagining thousands of shadow clone Voids clashing with God lol.

Anyway, I think what would be cool is if Void's god power transference somehow grants him immunity to certain attacks god could pull. Like let's say hypothetically he spread it out across enough avatars some part of his consciousness could still live on in a different body after god vanquished his original vessel thereby dodging certain death. Or having reduced god's essence god loses the ability to turn him into ashes because there just isn't enough of it flowing through his veins.

This opens up a lot of fascinating routes! I am stoked for what's to come.
 
Phoenks said:
Translation is out on Cubari.

I don't have much to say about this chapter. The art is very confusing, and I don't really get this Void development.
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It does line up with his ideology though. He's a cunning ninja that doesn't like bowing to anyone. So finding out he came up with a plan to plot revenge against God makes perfect sense. With that said I'm sure the timeline itself will make more sense once the arc is properly over. People are quick to jump to conclusions about it being over time and time again, when clearly we're still very much in the "Void" arc of the manga.
 
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Yo theres a lot of people saying that Void's plan pretty much does nothing considering his would be future army only has a fraction of God's powers,

But thats only if you base their value on their current power level and not their full potential

for example, garou. When he was blessed by god initially and before copying saitama, he was weaker than blast. But god's powers allowed him to copy people and essentially grow in power limitlessly.

Thats with barely getting any of god's blessing. Get an army of fully powered individuals with presumably the same potential and if we look at it this way and with the current info Void has about god, its starting to look like a good plan

Well, better than a plan about "throwing a rag tag team of misfits with a percentage of the enemy's power" like how others perceived it
 
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Recon1511 said:
Either that or an art mistake
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an art mistake that exist in every page doesn't seem possible.

Recon1511 said:
Seems like the fussion attempt is what healed Blast (?)
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His arm wasn't there after the fusion in the last chapter though.

This might be a fake chapter that will be fixed with redrawn. Or the swords come back to him no matter where they are + Blast can regenerate or can connect his arm back.
 
ReusedOil said:
Yo theres a lot of people saying that Void's plan pretty much does nothing considering his would be future army only has a fraction of God's powers,

But thats only if you base their value on their current power level and not their full potential

for example, garou. When he was blessed by god initially and before copying saitama, he was weaker than blast. But god's powers allowed him to copy people and essentially grow in power limitlessly.

Thats with barely getting any of god's blessing. Get an army of fully powered individuals with presumably the same potential and if we look at it this way and with the current info Void has about god, its starting to look like a good plan

Well, better than a plan about "throwing a rag tag team of misfits with a percentage of the enemy's power" like how others perceived it
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so erm, thoughts?
 
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ReusedOil said:
so erm, thoughts?
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It's a fine guess, but none of it will matter unless there is a technicality like him gaining immunity to becoming salt or switching vessels like I described earlier. At best he would be delaying the inevitable. A future chapter will likely have him passing on the needed knowledge to a different character or quickly turning back into a human. Maybe a repeat of what had happened between Garou and Saitama at the end of their battle. Mirroring their truce.
 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Does God not have a profile?
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Nope, he is much like Shibai from Boruto. All he has are statements and some upscaling along with the fact that his true body, if he does even have one, resides in a higher dimension.

Edit: Actually, he has shown quite a bit abilities, but not sure if it warrants a profile.
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
Could you elaborate? You're pretty smart in my eyes so providing an in-depth explanation as to why will make for a good read.
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I said it's cooked because there's so many interpretations and none of them have really been confirmed or denied. Many things are equally as true as each other.

Anyway, fine, I'll lay it all out for you guys.

What we know so far (100% certainty):
  • Hyperspace is at the very least 4-Dimensional (Definition is "space of more than 3-dimensions." Blast refers to it as a higher plane that ignores distance, energy, and size, accompanied by a picture of a Tesseract. It is mentioned to be a higher-dimension multiple times. It contains infinite parallel universes folded like bubbles inside of it, which are likely to be 4th-dimension constructs based on the inference of Hyperspace being "outside the causality of the universe," meaning it is outside of temporality as well.
  • Empty Void can enter Hyperspace. In this dimension, he appears larger than the individual bubble realities. Despite them being "folded like bubbles," due to the 4th-dimensional nature of the space, it is possible they are still retaining the size of an actual space-time. At the very least, this grants Void interdimensional travel and range.
  • Dimensional Slash can be used to interfere with the bubble universes and attack areas inside of it from Hyperspace. It is explicitly stated by Blast to be an interference from the higher-dimension that ignores distance, energy, and size. It also explicitly cuts through space itself, as stated by Empty Void. As a result, it is guaranteed to be accepted as 4-Dimensional spatial manipulation, interdimensional range, and durability negation. Its physical range Varies based on what Void is targeting. It can be large enough to cleave apart tens of kilometers worth of space at the bare minimum. Though we also see galaxies visible in certain bubbles.
  • Saitama catches Void's Dimensional Slashes with two fingers and pulls Void out of Hyperspace by dragging them down. Bare minimum, this means Saitama can resist a higher-dimensional space-cutting attack that negates durability. 4-D resistance to Spatial Manipulation and 4-D Non-Physical Interaction is practically guaranteed to be accepted.

Arguments Beyond the Certain:
  • Hyperspace is 5th-Dimensional. This argument comes from the fact that Hyperspace could be higher-dimensional relative to not just 3-dimensions, but entire space-times, which are 4th-dimensional constructs. Reason being that it is said to be outside / beyond the causality of the universe. Causality is the process of cause and effect which is synonymous with temporality / time. It is furthermore given with the context of there being multiple parallel possibilities, which can only really exist throughout time. You could also make the argument that "Causality" refers to not only the timeline of single universe, but every single one of the branches themselves. Because of how its phrased with the imagery, this is actually a very strong argument. "Causality" is what causes the universe to branch out in the first place. So if Hyperspace is indeed beyond every single possibility, then it would be solidly 5th-dimensional. I would consider this argument to be STRONG. It could likely be convincing of a "Possibly" rating. This would furthermore scale to Dimensional Slash and Saitama.
  • Empty Void is larger than Universes. This comes from the visualization of his technique, where he is shown to be larger than entire universes folded into bubbles. Even when they are showcased to encompass entire galaxies. If we take this visual completely literally, then Void would have Type 8 Large Size in this dimension. This would mean he has Immeasurable weight. This ends up scaling to Saitama, because he was able to pull an Immeasurably-sized entity out of higher-dimensional space. If accepted, it would give Saitama Immeasurable Lifting Strength. I consider this argument to be MEDIUM. 50/50 on whether or not it could even classify as a "possibly" rating on the pages. Its main strength comes from it being the most literal interpretation of the panels. Though, that is also its greatest weakness as more nuance and explanation can lead to it being quickly dismissed or countered. I could lean either way.
  • Dimensional Slash is Infinite Speed. This argument is from the statement of Dimensional Slash ignoring distance and coming from a higher-dimension. Also the fact that it potentially just spawns into the universe when Void strikes the bubbles. I consider this argument to be WEAK. While the distance-ignoring statement is very good, it is hard-countered by it being shown to travel multiple times on panel, with multiple characters potentially even reacting to it on-panel. In particular, the showcase of it in Chapter 209 is damning, as it shows the blade travelling until it reaches Saitama. However, Blast and Void seem to think that Dimensional Slash can only be dodged by teleportation. Flashy also notes it isn't a technique that can be dodged with speed. At the very least, it completely BLITZES the hell out of Blast and Flashy Flash. Saitama will upscale significantly from whatever is accepted.
  • Dimensional Slash is MASSIVELY FTL+. Argument comes from if you think the blade enters at the edge of the observable universe and then travels all the way down to Earth. Supporting evidence for this would be that the bubbles do include all of space-time within reality, given depictions of them holding entire galaxies. I consider this argument to be MEDIUM. You could just as easily say that it simply starts at the edge of where Void is focusing. Somewhere like above the clouds, as we see in Chapter 209. Saitama will upscale significantly from whatever is accepted.
  • Saitama is Low 2-C. Argument comes from Saitama overpowering Empty Void, assuming that he is Low 2-C in size. I consider this argument to be WEAK. Even if we do assume Void is Low 2-C in size, this does not automatically grant Saitama Low 2-C AP since he didn't harm Void in that form, nor does Large Size inherently grant AP. We only see Void get "hurt" after he has been pulled back into the normal universe.


That's about all I can think of at the moment. There's probably more, but those are the main ones.

Note that the "strength" of arguments is just my personal opinion. Because we have no confirmation on many things, a lot of stuff could be more or less strong from other perspectives.
 
Redcated said:
Question about this, does it allow saitama to interact anything that is 3-D or only spatial manipulation?
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Idk.

Saitama has proven to interact with spatial and mental/spiritual constructs, and even if on that high of a level, not sure that automatically means he can interact with all forms of 3-D incorporeality.

probably not
 
Phoenks said:
I said it's cooked because there's so many interpretations and none of them have really been confirmed or denied. Many things are equally as true as each other.

Anyway, fine, I'll lay it all out for you guys.

What we know so far (100% certainty):
  • Hyperspace is at the very least 4-Dimensional (Definition is "space of more than 3-dimensions." Blast refers to it as a higher plane that ignores distance, energy, and size, accompanied by a picture of a Tesseract. It is mentioned to be a higher-dimension multiple times. It contains infinite parallel universes folded like bubbles inside of it, which are likely to be 4th-dimension constructs based on the inference of Hyperspace being "outside the causality of the universe," meaning it is outside of temporality as well.
  • Empty Void can enter Hyperspace. In this dimension, he appears larger than the individual bubble realities. Despite them being "folded like bubbles," due to the 4th-dimensional nature of the space, it is possible they are still retaining the size of an actual space-time. At the very least, this grants Void interdimensional travel and range.
  • Dimensional Slash can be used to interfere with the bubble universes and attack areas inside of it from Hyperspace. It is explicitly stated by Blast to be an interference from the higher-dimension that ignores distance, energy, and size. It also explicitly cuts through space itself, as stated by Empty Void. As a result, it is guaranteed to be accepted as 4-Dimensional spatial manipulation, interdimensional range, and durability negation. Its physical range Varies based on what Void is targeting. It can be large enough to cleave apart tens of kilometers worth of space at the bare minimum. Though we also see galaxies visible in certain bubbles.
  • Saitama catches Void's Dimensional Slashes with two fingers and pulls Void out of Hyperspace by dragging them down. Bare minimum, this means Saitama can resist a higher-dimensional space-cutting attack that negates durability. 4-D resistance to Spatial Manipulation and 4-D Non-Physical Interaction is practically guaranteed to be accepted.

Arguments Beyond the Certain:
  • Hyperspace is 5th-Dimensional. This argument comes from the fact that Hyperspace could be higher-dimensional relative to not just 3-dimensions, but entire space-times, which are 4th-dimensional constructs. Reason being that it is said to be outside / beyond the causality of the universe. Causality is the process of cause and effect which is synonymous with temporality / time. It is furthermore given with the context of there being multiple parallel possibilities, which can only really exist throughout time. You could also make the argument that "Causality" refers to not only the timeline of single universe, but every single one of the branches themselves. Because of how its phrased with the imagery, this is actually a very strong argument. "Causality" is what causes the universe to branch out in the first place. So if Hyperspace is indeed beyond every single possibility, then it would be solidly 5th-dimensional. I would consider this argument to be STRONG. It could likely be convincing of a "Possibly" rating. This would furthermore scale to Dimensional Slash and Saitama.
  • Empty Void is larger than Universes. This comes from the visualization of his technique, where he is shown to be larger than entire universes folded into bubbles. Even when they are showcased to encompass entire galaxies. If we take this visual completely literally, then Void would have Type 8 Large Size in this dimension. This would mean he has Immeasurable weight. This ends up scaling to Saitama, because he was able to pull an Immeasurably-sized entity out of higher-dimensional space. If accepted, it would give Saitama Immeasurable Lifting Strength. I consider this argument to be MEDIUM. 50/50 on whether or not it could even classify as a "possibly" rating on the pages. Its main strength comes from it being the most literal interpretation of the panels. Though, that is also its greatest weakness as more nuance and explanation can lead to it being quickly dismissed or countered. I could lean either way.
  • Dimensional Slash is Infinite Speed. This argument is from the statement of Dimensional Slash ignoring distance and coming from a higher-dimension. Also the fact that it potentially just spawns into the universe when Void strikes the bubbles. I consider this argument to be WEAK. While the distance-ignoring statement is very good, it is hard-countered by it being shown to travel multiple times on panel, with multiple characters potentially even reacting to it on-panel. In particular, the showcase of it in Chapter 209 is damning, as it shows the blade travelling until it reaches Saitama. However, Blast and Void seem to think that Dimensional Slash can only be dodged by teleportation. Flashy also notes it isn't a technique that can be dodged with speed. At the very least, it completely BLITZES the hell out of Blast and Flashy Flash. Saitama will upscale significantly from whatever is accepted.
  • Dimensional Slash is MASSIVELY FTL+. Argument comes from if you think the blade enters at the edge of the observable universe and then travels all the way down to Earth. Supporting evidence for this would be that the bubbles do include all of space-time within reality, given depictions of them holding entire galaxies. I consider this argument to be MEDIUM. You could just as easily say that it simply starts at the edge of where Void is focusing. Somewhere like above the clouds, as we see in Chapter 209. Saitama will upscale significantly from whatever is accepted.
  • Saitama is Low 2-C. Argument comes from Saitama overpowering Empty Void, assuming that he is Low 2-C in size. I consider this argument to be WEAK. Even if we do assume Void is Low 2-C in size, this does not automatically grant Saitama Low 2-C AP since he didn't harm Void in that form, nor does Large Size inherently grant AP. We only see Void get "hurt" after he has been pulled back into the normal universe.


That's about all I can think of at the moment. There's probably more, but those are the main ones.

Note that the "strength" of arguments is just my personal opinion. Because we have no confirmation on many things, a lot of stuff could be more or less strong from other perspectives.
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God was in an even higher dimension, right? Tier 1 God, let's go!
 
I can feel the frustration in your words. With the swords possibly being out of the picture it's going to prove difficult to make a good case in future CRTs. Looking on the bright side we still got a hell of a lot more than we expected and it's nowhere near the monster association arc length.
 
Tural2004 said:
as in an even higher dimension, right? Tier 1 God, let's go!
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Idk.

If we went by this image as his truest incarnation then we can correlate that all these little white dots are the bubbles we see in the Void chapters. The absence of the usual shapes could be supporting evidence of this too. However, what I find most interesting and only just noticed is how he looks semi-transparent all over? I could be looking into it too deep, but they do look similar. Early hyperspace reveal? God isn't physical in his own realm?
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