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[MrTayman616]

How is DS ignoring distance and EV PREPARING to teleport away with his technique comparable??

Because It is teleportation, how can Blast react to a literal teleportation but can't do it against DS?

Where is that ever stated???

It's stated at chapter 208,

Also EV does not attack from a Universal distance. He is literally outside of the universe. Attacking from another dimension entirely is already infinite speed, but once its inside the Universe, it would be affected by causality…as the blade is no longer outside of the universe’s cause and effect, therefore time taking precedent. Although you are happy to disagree on this point if you wish.

When i said seemingly universal distance, i meant this page. "but once its inside the Universe" well it is intervining from the "outside", the sword is still at the hyperspace (as long as it doesn't fully enter) since Empty Void is the one moving it while not entering the dimension.

I’m not denying the legitimacy of DS’ ability, but Saitama didn’t see other timelines when he was TRAVELING BACK IN TIME. (ahem)

He was simply seeing the past events that occurred while on I.o. Same with Genos.

Which Genos described as divergence of the timelines. Those past events are the diverged timelines in bubbles

 

[WizardPowers101]

Because it's not true to begin with, that's why it doesn't make sense. Also you are wrong about the twinkle being the portal. In any and every anime you watch, the twinkle is portrayed as "something incoming" rather than anything else, which is also depicted in OPM itself. But you are right about everything else

That is true, however: the next panel where we see the twinkle suggests that EV comes FROM that as a type of portal.

 

[ReusedOil]

Attacking from another dimension entirely is already infinite speed, but once its inside the Universe, it would be affected by causality…as the blade is no longer outside of the universe’s cause and effect, therefore time taking precedent. Although you are happy to disagree on this point if you wish.

So what youre saying is that entering realspace strips away all the other properties of hyperspace from the sword, specifically only leaving size changing and space cutting effects... the very effects that are being powered by the swords connection to hyperspace?

Swords that are connected to void outside the universe residing in hyperspace? The swords currently being held by void who's outside causalty? Hands that are moving the swords at the same speed as he is in hyperspace, because thats how objects in your hands work?

 

[Alexander]

That is true, however: the next panel where we see the twinkle suggests that EV comes FROM that as a type of portal.

It is not a portal, you are trying to hard to say it is a portal, but we know Void does not use portals to go to the hyperspace

 

[MrTayman616]

Saitama&Garou resistance to Antimatter manipulation

Saitama and Garou should get resistance to antimatter manipulation. For their time travel, with their matter manipulation, what they did was a C-symmetry "Charge", where all his particles became anti particles and the opposite. when he fusioned with the saitama of the past, what was supposed to...

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OPM CFM Garou surviving inside of a Black hole

Garou survives inside of a black hole, at the center of the black hole, which it's accepted as "In the same way the forces holding our body together usually do so in a manner so that it is evenly accelerated through gravitation. But in a black hole things become extreme. Destruction would occur...

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[WizardPowers101]

It is not a portal, you are trying to hard to say it is a portal, but we know Void does not use portals to go to the hyperspace

Again, him entering the hyperspace and him using DS are not the same. It's not like a door where both ways you enter it result in the door being open and shut.

 

[WizardPowers101]

Because It is teleportation, how can Blast react to a literal teleportation but can't do it against DS?

EV didn't teleport yet dude.

When i said seemingly universal distance, i meant this page. "but once its inside the Universe" well it is intervining from the "outside", the sword is still at the hyperspace (as long as it doesn't fully enter) since Empty Void is the one moving it while not entering the dimension.

By that same line of thinking though, why doesn't EV just instantly move his blade across and get the job done with???

Which Genos described as divergence of the timelines. Those past events are the diverged timelines in bubbles

No. Genos describes it as a "POSSIBLE FUTURE". ONE future, not multiple.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Again, him entering the hyperspace and him using DS are not the same. It's not like a door where both ways you enter it result in the door being open and shut.

what are you talking about him getting pulled out can’t be through a portal because he didn’t enter a portal to get there there is no portal that’s head canon why would he open himself a portal to let himself get dragged out?

 

[WizardPowers101]

So what youre saying is that entering realspace strips away all the other properties of hyperspace from the sword, specifically only leaving size changing and space cutting effects... the very effects that are being powered by the swords connection to hyperspace?

touché

 

[WizardPowers101]

what are you talking about him getting pulled out can’t be through a portal because he didn’t enter a portal to get there there is no portal that’s head canon why would he open himself a portal to let himself get dragged out?

He didn't dude. I'm not saying he does. the blade cut open a hole in SPACE to make the blade travel to that location swiftly.

 

[Alexander]

Again, him entering the hyperspace and him using DS are not the same. It's not like a door where both ways you enter it result in the door being open and shut.

They are the same thing, both require a Hand sign (the hand signs Void uses allow him to intervine from the OUTSIDE).

 

[darkphantom9805]

He didn't dude. I'm not saying he does. the blade cut open a hole in SPACE to make the blade travel to that location swiftly.

Proof? Because the blade ignores distance it doesn’t need to cut open some magical hole that isn’t there it just teleports there there has never been any stated portal or hole especially one that allows him to be pulled out form hyperspace

 

[WizardPowers101]

They are the same thing, both require a Hand sign (the hand signs Void uses allow him to intervine from the OUTSIDE).

"both require a hand sign" yeah where was that hand sign when he did those 2 dimension slashes on saitama

 

[WizardPowers101]

also @Alexander again you conceded earlier, i'll just ignore you atp

 

[darkphantom9805]

Imagine conceding to a guy named wizard powers 101

 

[WizardPowers101]

Proof? Because the blade ignores distance it doesn’t need to cut open some magical hole that isn’t there it just teleports there there has never been any stated portal or hole especially one that allows him to be pulled out form hyperspace

I'm saying the "ignore distance" part is when it descends from the higher dimension, because duh. However, we see that a hole in the air opens up from the blade. We know thats a hole because of the fact that the lines coming from that twinkle in the sky indicate him falling a MUCH shorter but still long distance from the air and not from outerspace

EV doesnt need a portal to enter the hyperspace because he doesnt CUT through space to do that, he just leaves the universe. Theres nothing preventing him from doing that when he does that technique

 

[Alexander]

"both require a hand sign" yeah where was that hand sign when he did those 2 dimension slashes on saitama

We didn't saw them because that would be uneccesary to have another panel to show the hand signs

 

[WizardPowers101]

and I hope you know that, one thing going from one dimension to another IS INDEED infinite speed in fiction. right?

 

[darkphantom9805]

I'm saying the "ignore distance" part is when it descends from the higher dimension, because duh. However, we see that a hole in the air opens up from the blade. We know thats a hole because of the fact that the lines coming from that twinkle in the sky indicate him falling a MUCH shorter but still long distance from the air and not from outerspace

We didn’t see a hole that’s just your goofy ahh lowball interpretation

EV doesnt need a portal to enter the hyperspace because he doesnt CUT through space to do that, he just leaves the universe. Theres nothing preventing him from doing that when he does that technique

expect for your interpretation is head canon try again

 

[MrTayman616]

EV didn't teleport yet dude.

He used the hand signs. which is how his teleportation happens, look at his body as well, it was teleporting

No. Genos describes it as a "POSSIBLE FUTURE". ONE future, not multiple.

No. That one was about which timeline this core came from, he says "one of the countless timelines diverged because of your actions" and "no matter how near infinite parallel worlds are there".

By that same line of thinking though, why doesn't EV just instantly move his blade across and get the job done with???

He does though, Blast stops it everytime. Everytime Blast used his teleportation which Void claims Blast can't evade it without his sphere type teleportation. even though he can even react to his teleportation speed which should be instant.

 

[WizardPowers101]

We didn't saw them because that would be uneccesary to have another panel to show the hand signs

Appeal to motive + appeal to practicality

 

[Alexander]

Appeal to motive + appeal to practicality

Ah por la P****a, you can't be this annoying

 

[Worthless]

That is true, however: the next panel where we see the twinkle suggests that EV comes FROM that as a type of portal.

There are probably some sort of portals (not like Blast portal or anything, but more like this but invisible) in that twinkle/direction, but the twinkle represents not the portal, but the incoming attack itself.

 

[WizardPowers101]

He used the hand signs. which is how his teleportation happens, look at his body as well, it was teleporting

I didn't notice that detail actually. Fair, I concede on this point.

No. That one was about which timeline this core came from, he says "one of the countless timelines diverged because of your actions" and "no matter how near infinite parallel worlds are there".

Yes, because theres infinite possibilities that happen because of anybody's actions in OPM, including Saitama. However this isn't relevant to the events that Genos and Saitama saw, and Genos wouldn't know this context of the multiverse when he only experienced one timeline. Like he said, its merely a hypothesis based on knowledge he himself learned.

He does though, Blast stops it everytime. Everytime Blast used his teleportation which Void claims Blast can't evade it without his sphere type teleportation. even though he can even react to his teleportation speed which should be instant.

hm... I'll consider this some more ngl.

 

[WizardPowers101]

There are probably some sort of portals (not like Blast portal or anything, but more like this but invisible) in that twinkle/direction, but the twinkle represents not the portal, but the incoming attack itself.

We'll prob have to agree to disagree on this then

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

I'm saying the "ignore distance" part is when it descends from the higher dimension, because duh. However, we see that a hole in the air opens up from the blade. We know thats a hole because of the fact that the lines coming from that twinkle in the sky indicate him falling a MUCH shorter but still long distance from the air and not from outerspace

EV doesnt need a portal to enter the hyperspace because he doesnt CUT through space to do that, he just leaves the universe. Theres nothing preventing him from doing that when he does that technique

You know what. You would think Murata would include an image of him falling through space if that is what happened. But no. The series of events only ever implies a shorter distance. The lack of gravity would've interfered with his fall by the time he leaves the higher dimension, depending on when he let go of the swords.

As for why, I don't know. Maybe he didn't have time to draw all that and was rushing the chapter.

 

[WizardPowers101]

We didn’t see a hole that’s just your goofy ahh lowball interpretation

expect for your interpretation is head canon try again

. alright, ig you dont want to defend your point

 

[darkphantom9805]

. alright, ig you dont want to defend your point

I mean there isn’t much to defend when you just made things up like a portal that isn’t there you have to actually have an argument for me to counter not head canon or no

 

[WizardPowers101]

You know what. You would think Murata would include an image of him falling through space if that is what happened. But no. The series of events only ever implies a shorter distance.

As for why, I don't know. Maybe he didn't have time to draw all that and was rushing the chapter.

Finally, somebody gets it.

We don't know why he didn't do that if the space fall interpretation is correct, but we can't just go around assuming stuff. yknow?

 

[MrTayman616]

Yes, because theres infinite possibilities that happen because of anybody's actions in OPM, including Saitama. However this isn't relevant to the events that Genos and Saitama saw, and Genos wouldn't know this context of the multiverse when he only experienced one timeline. Like he said, its merely a hypothesis based on knowledge he himself learned.

Genos was referring to his time travel that caused the divergence. not "everyone's action creates timelines etc etc" type of, but how saitama himself diverged it. Considering the bubble universes, which is shown here and how it's god power as well.

 

[Alexander]

Finally, somebody gets it.

We don't know why he didn't do that if the space fall interpretation is correct, but we can't just go around assuming stuff. yknow?

because it is the most likely

 

[darkphantom9805]

Let’s all remember Saitama punched through time and space itself the series itself makes it very clear he’s that guy and can do anything he wants including bullying GOD

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Will Saitama get any speed upgrades?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

and I hope you know that, one thing going from one dimension to another IS INDEED infinite speed in fiction. right?

No

 

[NikolaTesura]

honestly, Garou didnt want to kill anyone.

He just got too corrupted

I agree. Like I stated before, God's influence makes it's avatars want to annihilate the human race, as they all seem to think of humans as "parasites" to nature and earth. So, when Garou took that power, even if he could resist it better than anyone else, he still ended up acting in a reckless manner that resulted in humanity becoming extinct (or almost extinct, considering Blast and Saitama were still alive by the end of it). Everytime Saitama hits him with punches, he seems to wake up more and more.. which is eventually shown by his mask cracking and revealing his real face.

 

[darkphantom9805]

What is with the sudden surge of new accounts in this thread

 

[NikolaTesura]

based on the lack of any disagreements, EVERYONE agrees with my theory right?

I guess people are doubting the speed of the swords because Flashy and Blast reacted to them, but we know both had contact with God, which means they can now sense God's power. Blast, who is more attuned to God's power, could sense the slash before it even happened.

So, these two reacting does not mean it's not instant or something like that. It could have been represented better, I agree.. maybe Murata didn't give it much thought. In 30 years we will know, once this scene gets animated. Or maybe it will be changed once it comes out on a volume, as it usually happens.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

I agree. Like I stated before, God's influence makes it's avatars want to annihilate the human race, as they all seem to think of humans as "parasites" to nature and earth. So, when Garou took that power, even if he could resist it better than anyone else, he still ended up acting in a reckless manner that resulted in humanity becoming extinct (or almost extinct, considering Blast and Saitama were still alive by the end of it). Everytime Saitama hits him with punches, he seems to wake up more and more.. which is eventually shown by his mask cracking and revealing his real face.

He's certainly got the matching m.o.

He would do something like that wouldn't he? Get excited and high on power and then pull stupid stunts.

 

[Worthless]

I agree. Like I stated before, God's influence makes it's avatars want to annihilate the human race, as they all seem to think of humans as "parasites" to nature and earth. So, when Garou took that power, even if he could resist it better than anyone else, he still ended up acting in a reckless manner that resulted in humanity becoming extinct (or almost extinct, considering Blast and Saitama were still alive by the end of it). Everytime Saitama hits him with punches, he seems to wake up more and more.. which is eventually shown by his mask cracking and revealing his real face.

That's actually a good interpretation that could be backed up by Bang destroying his mass, which ended up waking his human consciousness.

 

[WizardPowers101]

Genos was referring to his time travel that caused the divergence. not "everyone's action creates timelines etc etc" type of, but how saitama himself diverged it. Considering the bubble universes, which is shown here and how it's god power as well.

fair enough. but thats kinda what im trying to say.

Genos refers to a single timeline (time travel) that caused the parallel timeline from the main one. But his multiverse theory was simply a hypothesis.

the stuff we see in that time travel isn't even other worlds tbh