Saitama VS Madara Uchiha (3-14-0)

[DavidTPPM]

Literally in the profile says he grows indefinitely, and this "supernatural will" varies in opm verse. Saitama broke it and his getting stronger every moment passes

This doesn't debunk what I said. Saitamas growth rate starts off essentially not even noticeable and only ramps up with an upsurge of emotions during which the rate of his growth keeps increasing.

Yeah, check saitama's profile, there's literally attack reflection or smth like that.

You should probably read what it's referring to because how is this meant to return genjutsu?

I didn't imply that one can overcome EE by simply getting stronger, did I?

You did...

What I meant is, Saitama's ability to evolve endlessly means that even at the onset of a battle, he will surpass his own speed, as emphasized repeatedly in the manga. Saitama is portrayed as a character who can perpetually surpass himself. So, my assertion is that Saitama can evade Madara's EE not through mere strength gains, but by accelerating his speed. This underscores the idea that his growth isn't linear but exponential. At the end, it works just like passive haxes. Saitama passively getting stronger each moment.

Again, I already replied to that and you didn't address my arguments.

Now, to elaborate further, yes, you are correct about the reality spheres. However, it's not necessary for Saitama to make physical contact to break these spheres.

Saitama has no knowledge on TSO so he would have no idea he shouldn't touch them. It's not in character for him to attack with long range AOE attacks, he punches everything directly. He also tends to let people hit him so Madara probably just cuts him in half with a TSO staff

Saitama has ranged attacks such as the "Serious Sneezing" (which is considered Star level in VS Battles),

It's really not. His sneeze has no accepted value on his profile and only destroyed like, half of a planet. So depending on how far away Madara is from the sneeze it might not even hurt him.

 

[Quantu]

It's really not. His sneeze has no accepted value on his profile and only destroyed like, half of a planet. So depending on how far away Madara is from the sneeze it might not even hurt him.

Serious Sneeze is calced at Star Level+ and is on the verse page under AP calculations, Madara would get annihilated by it if he was to do it.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Thanks to Madara's sharingan, he looked at Saitama's power and said, "This man can beat me. I think you will say, "I should put Saitama into genjutsu immediately." If he is affected by genjutsu and cannot escape, Madara wins it.

After this encounter, when Obito asked him, "If it wasn't for genjutsu, you would have lost, right?"

Madara replied: nah, I would win.

 

[Robo432343]

i think we have reached grace lol
madara has 7+ votes

 

[Jaakor48]

Allow me to correct you, even if Madara were to directly attack Saitama with Existence Erasure ability while they are in a speed equalized scenario, Saitama would overcome it by exponentially growing stronger and increasing his speed.

What? That's now how his growth works and even if it did, it would still erase saitama as strength is not a resistance to EE

Furthermore, where did you get the idea that Saitama's attacks could be stopped by the reality sphere? Even 8 Gates Guy can break through it...

Except he couldn't, he had to use Madara as a glove to hit through the sphere, only possible because kamui removed a section of it, prior to that he had to go around it to hit Madara

Also, Saitama can interact with and inflict damage upon Limbo clones using hax like NPI and astral projection, and he can even destroy them.

NPI doesn't mean anything here, limbo attacks from another dimension

Saitama obviously wins this.

He really doesn't

 

[ssgengar]

Saw someone say that Madara won’t start with TSO attacks and that’s pretty crazy to me. As soon as he got access to them he literally used them for his first 5 attacks

First he sliced Minato’s arm with his TSO staff then sent him away with a kick

Then he hurled 2 TSOs at Obito

After that he sent 2 more at Obito and Kakashi

Then he sends Guy flying with his TSO staff

And immediately hurls another TSO right after lol


So not only is it in character for him to start with EE, he uses it a shit ton. I can see the arguments from both sides but let’s not downplay the way Madara uses his hax

 

[Mamaroza]

Furthermore, where did you get the idea that Saitama's attacks could be stopped by the reality sphere? Even 8 Gates Guy can break through it...

No, Gai broke it with Madara's body. If he had touched it, he would have been erased.

 

[ssgengar]

i think we have reached grace lol
madara has 7+ votes

I feel like not enough OPM supporters have commented lol

 

[DavidTPPM]

Saw someone say that Madara won’t start with TSO attacks and that’s pretty crazy to me. As soon as he got access to them he literally used them for his first 5 attacks

First he sliced Minato’s arm with his TSO staff then sent him away with a kick

Then he hurled 2 TSOs at Obito

After that he sent 2 more at Obito and Kakashi

Then he sends Guy flying with his TSO staff

And immediately hurls another TSO right after lol


So not only is it in character for him to start with EE, he uses it a shit ton. I can see the arguments from both sides but let’s not downplay the way Madara uses his hax

What's crazier is when the counter arguments consisted of the most out of character actions from Saitama

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What's crazier is when the counter arguments consisted of the most out of character actions from Saitama

Saitama with his 3-C punches Vs Madara with his 300 hax list that puts Saitama down with just one shot

 

[Robo432343]

ong
madara is teaching saitama a lesson

 

[ssgengar]

What's crazier is when the counter arguments consisted of the most out of character actions from Saitama

Yeah people bringing up his sneeze like he’s really gonna start with that lmao

His first attack against Monster Garou was just knocking him back with his arm and against Cosmic Garou it was matching consecutive normal punches with his own

 

[darkphantom9805]

Actually saitama is COVID lusted or no

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Madara replied:

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Madara easily, Saitama can't see or interact against Madara's limbo, Madara can erase Saitama's existence (since Saitama has no resistance to EE) or genjutsu where Saitama dreams he's shopping for him, it's very funny that Saitama only has his fist to defend himself, what prevents Saitama from being turned into cosmic dust?

Madara fra

Saitama has no EE resistance, and Madara's genjutsu has multiple layers even without IT, so even if saitama resists an illusion in his next arc, that's like... baseline

Massive AP gap is nullified by TSO, saitama can't go through it and his aoe ranged attacks get stopped with a tso sphere, as Madara just needs to protect himself, not the entire attack

Speed equalized means Madara's sharingan precog is very effective

He also has limbo clones which again, saitama can't hurt


Madara wins this

oh shit the madara glazing is too strong
im gonna have to vote madara Fra

Counted

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

i think we have reached grace lol
madara has 7+ votes

Only 5 people directly voted in Madara, the other people are joking or defending him

 

[DavidTPPM]

Only 5 people directly voted in Madara, the other people are joking or defending him

Ig count me as voting for Madara then

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

By the way, I'm not kidding. I'm also voting for Madara.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Ig count me as voting for Madara then

By the way, I'm not kidding. I'm also voting for Madara.

Both counted

 

[Avengershows]

After reading the arguments, I guess I'm voting for Madara too.

 

[Soulaaa]

This doesn't debunk what I said. Saitamas growth rate starts off essentially not even noticeable and only ramps up with an upsurge of emotions during which the rate of his growth keeps increasing.

Omg Saitama's accelerated development is different from others; he doesn't need to experience emotional outbursts like the others. This is already stated on the OPM Willpower page. You're completely ignoring what I'm saying.

You should probably read what it's referring to because how is this meant to return genjutsu?

Nevermind then

You did...

? I literally said Saitama gets stronger in every aspect with accelerated development, not in pure strength but also speed. Speed is enough to escape from E.E dude.

Again, I already replied to that and you didn't address my arguments.

You did not This "Accelerated development" is different from others, and doesn't need any "emotion outburst" to activate. Just read the opm willpower page please

Saitama has no knowledge on TSO so he would have no idea he shouldn't touch them. It's not in character for him to attack with long range AOE attacks, he punches everything directly. He also tends to let people hit him so Madara probably just cuts him in half with a TSO staff

Merely observing Saitama's tendency to employ punches or frequently engage in physical confrontations does not definitively imply that he will consistently adhere to such actions. Take, for instance, the occasion where he effortlessly obliterated a mountainous structure behind Genos without direct physical contact. This instance underscores the versatility and sheer magnitude of his power, transcending conventional combat methodologies. Furthermore, Saitama has demonstrated unparalleled control over his abilities, as evidenced by his feat of unleashing a devastating force equivalent to 4C(Star Level) simply by sneezing at will. This exemplifies his mastery and precision in wielding his strength, showcasing that his actions are not bound by traditional limitations or expectations.

Moreover, it's imperative not to misconstrue or overestimate the capabilities of other characters, such as Madara, by fabricating scenarios or attributing unsubstantiated feats to them. Such practices not only detract from the integrity of the discourse but also fail to acknowledge the intricacies and nuances of each character's abilities within their respective narratives. It's essential to analyze and interpret feats and actions within the context of their established canon and lore, rather than extrapolating conjectures based on personal biases or unfounded assumptions.

It's really not. His sneeze has no accepted value on his profile and only destroyed like, half of a planet. So depending on how far away Madara is from the sneeze it might not even hurt him

Yes it does Saitama's Serious Sneeze

 

[Soulaaa]

What? That's now how his growth works and even if it did, it would still erase saitama as strength is not a resistance to EE

His physical stats are getting boosted by accelerated development like wdym?? They are both speed eq at first but Saitama can grow and Speedblitz Madara

Except he couldn't, he had to use Madara as a glove to hit through the sphere, only possible because kamui removed a section of it, prior to that he had to go around it to hit Madara

Yeah still doesn't matter, Saitama would sneeze it away.

NPI doesn't mean anything here, limbo attacks from another dimension

Oh, you know they don't have any tools to hurt Saitama though? Even if they did, Saitama would dodge them and just ignore them (he has enhanced senses; he could even sense 'talks' from another dimension). And I'm not sure about it, but he could interact with another dimension using astral projection actually

 

[Soulaaa]

Saitama FRA

 

[darkphantom9805]

Saitama FRA

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Saitama FRA

Saitama FRA

Counted

 

[Gorkyss]

Saitama FRA.

 

[Avengershows]

Yeah still doesn't matter, Saitama would sneeze it away.

Yes because Saitama's go to attack is sneezing.

 

[Yunaruiii]

i think saitama solos

 

[Soulaaa]

Yeah people bringing up his sneeze like he’s really gonna start with that lmao

His first attack against Monster Garou was just knocking him back with his arm and against Cosmic Garou it was matching consecutive normal punches with his own

Stop making assumptions like that, literally answered someone who said this, you can look at it

 

[Mertullah]

saitama fra

 

[ZawierJ]

Saitama FRA

 

[Soulaaa]

Saitama FRA.

i think saitama solos

saitama fra

Saitama FRA

@Accelerated_Evolution count these aswell

 

[MintyBoi1]

Voting Madara because TSO and Genjutsu

 

[Köfteekmek]

This isn't even up for debate. Saitama catches it while sneezing

 

[Soulaaa]

Voting Madara because TSO and Genjutsu

Literally debunked it in every comment, wanna discuss it?

 

[Nierre]

Merely observing Saitama's tendency to employ punches or frequently engage in physical confrontations does not definitively imply that he will consistently adhere to such actions. Take, for instance, the occasion where he effortlessly obliterated a mountainous structure behind Genos without direct physical contact. This instance underscores the versatility and sheer magnitude of his power, transcending conventional combat methodologies. Furthermore, Saitama has demonstrated unparalleled control over his abilities, as evidenced by his feat of unleashing a devastating force equivalent to 4C(Star Level) simply by sneezing at will. This exemplifies his mastery and precision in wielding his strength, showcasing that his actions are not bound by traditional limitations or expectations.

Moreover, it's imperative not to misconstrue or overestimate the capabilities of other characters, such as Madara, by fabricating scenarios or attributing unsubstantiated feats to them. Such practices not only detract from the integrity of the discourse but also fail to acknowledge the intricacies and nuances of each character's abilities within their respective narratives. It's essential to analyze and interpret feats and actions within the context of their established canon and lore, rather than extrapolating conjectures based on personal biases or unfounded assumptions.

LMAO IS THIS CHATGPT

 

[Soulaaa]

LMAO IS THIS CHATGPT

I used it for fixing my grammar to better understanding, you smart guy

 

[ssgengar]

Stop making assumptions like that, literally answered someone who said this, you can look at it

What assumptions are you referring to

 

[Soulaaa]

What assumptions are you referring to

I'm talking about the nonsense of "Saitama would start by throwing punches in a normal way" and so on

 

[MintyBoi1]

Literally debunked it in every comment, wanna discuss it?

No thanks. It seems to me like Saitama tries punching and Madara uses his hax to win. It’s in character for both so I don’t see why it would go another way