[GRACE] Madara vs Gilgamesh

[PsychoWarper]

Ngl I don't see how this is fair. Gil can't see or sense Limbos and they just need to attack him casually. That's really not fair.

SNI would tell Gilgamesh who Madara is and what his greatest techniques are as well as letting him know that some ***** happening that he cant see.

Gil doesnt fully restrict SNI, he just doesnt use the Infinite Possibilities knowing the oerfect course to win thing usually.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Gil can actually resist nearly everything Madara does (unless you're talking about physical attacks, he has resistance to overall genjutsu, and can also interact with Limbo due to servant physiology etc etc), and with SNI he'd also be able to know how powerful madara is and what he'll do next, just like vice versa (even if he starts suppressing it, once he sees how powerful madara is compared to him he'd go for it and have precog).

Hmm I didn't know he had a page with the general abilities, if I may ask, how strong is his resistance to mind manip? And sorry, I've read the page and how exactly can he interact with Limbos? And can he see them? Keep in mind, see or interact with ghosts or souls doesn't make you interact with Limbos.

Though if Madara can go through his GOB spam and hit him with a single attack whichever it is he'll get instantly killed, and considering this is casual Gilgamesh, he wont start seriously so Madara will have until Gil notices he's far stronger through SNI (which will likely happen in the start) to finish him, plus GOB also has many weapons that negate durability.
[GOB = Gate of Babylon, Gil's Noble Phantasm.]

How powerful is the GoB? How spammable is it? I've watched Fate long ago, is that the weapons spam he does?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hmm I didn't know he had a page with the general abilities, if I may ask, how strong is his resistance to mind manip? And sorry, I've read the page and how exactly can he interact with Limbos? And can he see them? Keep in mind, see or interact with ghosts or souls doesn't make you interact with Limbos.

How powerful is the GoB? How spammable is it? I've watched Fate long ago, is that the weapons spam he does?

Yeah, there is

The mind manip resistance is in the billions

Yep. It can go up to literally stopping a solid beam of energy soooo

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yep. It can go up to literally stopping a solid beam of energy soooo

wdym by that?

 

[AyameTofu]

Hmm I didn't know he had a page with the general abilities, if I may ask, how strong is his resistance to mind manip? And sorry, I've read the page and how exactly can he interact with Limbos? And can he see them? Keep in mind, see or interact with ghosts or souls doesn't make you interact with Limbos.

How powerful is the GoB? How spammable is it? I've watched Fate long ago, is that the weapons spam he does?

Yeah, its the weapon spam, and he can literally spam it indefinitely, for as long as he wants. [Other questions were answered above]

And its extremely powerful, it has a lot of conceptual weaponry that can negate dura.
[He can interact with limbos because of Servants NPI]

 

[PsychoWarper]

The Mind Hax resistance is 6-D and is actual 6-D Smurf resistance.

As for how much he can spam GoB, as much as he wants he can fire thousands of weapons at a time if he wants.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I mean, are they on the 6-C range? Because, you know, Madara can simply use Shinra Tensei and send them only God knows where. Or simply cover himself with the TSB. While invisible clones are chasing Gil and each attack of them, Gil explodes.

 

[Loyd]

as well as letting him know that some ***** happening that he cant see.

only the unsupresss version does that, gil would atleast know about madara and some of his skills.

GoB is tier 6 range, casual Gils spam range from a alot
to a serious/bloodlust spamming an ocean but they have hax

 

[DaReaperMan]

wdym by that?

GoB's spam/capacity is just under Shirou's UBW, which straight up temporarily stopped a blast from EA wielded by this chick

 

[AyameTofu]

I mean, are they on the 6-C range? Because, you know, Madara can simply use Shinra Tensei and send them only God knows where. Or simply cover himself with the TSB. While invisible clones are chasing Gil and each attack of them, Gil explodes.

He could shinra tensei them away, but that would only stop the first batch of them, since shinra tensei has a CD he wouldn't be able to defend from all of them.
And most of them are on the 6-C range, but some have hax that can negate dura

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah I mean, it's spammable 6-C attacks and some with hax. Mokuton can easily like, defend Madara against those attacks and clones with a lot of Susano'o defending Madara from this attacks, long range attacks with everything he has..... We are assuming Madara would just stay and defend and wait for Gil to use a Tier 1 attack. That's obviously not gonna happen. Spamming AoE and long range attacks is what will happen here.

 

[TheRedEmpty]

If Madara uses Banshō Ten'in there would be no way for him to keep his distance
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[DaReaperMan]

Yeah I mean, it's spammable 6-C attacks and some with hax. Mokuton can easily like, defend Madara against those attacks and clones with a lot of Susano'o defending Madara from this attacks, long range attacks with everything he has..... We are assuming Madara would just stay and defend and wait for Gil to use a Tier 1 attack. That's obviously not gonna happen. Spamming AoE and long range attacks is what will happen here.

It's 6-C to Low 6-B spam that largely negs dura conceptually, get it right.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Whatever mate, it will not touch Madara.

 

[AyameTofu]

Yeah I mean, it's spammable 6-C attacks and some with hax. Mokuton can easily like, defend Madara against those attacks and clones with a lot of Susano'o defending Madara from this attacks, long range attacks with everything he has..... We are assuming Madara would just stay and defend and wait for Gil to use a Tier 1 attack. That's obviously not gonna happen. Spamming AoE and long range attacks is what will happen here.

Yeah, I don't think GoB can go through madara's defenses, though it'd be enough to keep him busy, specially considering some of them can be more than enough trouble if they hit him directly. Even if he Spams AOE and ranged attacks, Gil has shields he can use to defend himself from being instantly killed by those. [If he goes as far as using Rho Aias for example, its a virtually absolute conceptual defence against ranged attacks]

If Madara uses Banshō Ten'in there would be no way for him to keep his distance​

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His conceptual shields can stop Bansho Ten'in from reaching him.

 

[azontr]

Whatever mate, it will not touch Madara.

The **** are you talking about M8? GoB has so many conceptual weapons, dura neg weapons, and a lot more. Gil can spam this. Thousands of times. Whenever he wants. For as long as he wants.

 

[TheRedEmpty]

And he could, if Madara wanted to stand by and defend himself, without attacking

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah, I don't think GoB can go through madara's defenses, though it'd be enough to keep him busy, specially considering some of them can be more than enough trouble if they hit him directly.

That's the point, it won't keep him busy. For each weapon Gil uses to attack Madara, he can create tens of clones. And well, that's never gonna hit Madara. Shinra Tensei forever or clones being suicides and just being used as a shield. Susano'o, tens of Chibaku Tenseis falling on Gil and on his weapons. You choose.

Even if he Spams AOE and ranged attacks, Gil has shields he can use to defend himself from being instantly killed by those. [If he goes as far as using Rho Aias for example, its a virtually absolute conceptual defence against ranged attacks]

And how likely is he going use this shield?

 

[M3X_2.0]

[He can interact with limbos because of Servants NPI]

I forgot this part, sorry. I saw that they can interact with some conceptual bullshit, what about their ESP? The page only list them seeing ghosts or souls, and that's not enough to see Limbos (I mean that has nothing to do with them). They can interact but can't see.

 

[azontr]

That's the point, it won't keep him busy. For each weapon Gil uses to attack Madara, he can create tens of clones. And well, that's never gonna hit Madara. Shinra Tensei forever or clones being suicides and just being used as a shield. Susano'o, tens of Chibaku Tenseis falling on Gil and on his weapons. You choose.

Yeah but you forget Gil can literally spam these whenever he wants, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants. If Madara creates clones, Gil is going to send like 30 swords at him to stop him from attacking. Shinra Tensei is just gonna create more distance for Gil to spam more swords, Susano'o might work idk, and Chibaku Tensei doesn't fall so fast that Gil can't just dodge.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I forgot this part, sorry. I saw that they can interact with some conceptual bullshit, what about their ESP? The page only list them seeing ghosts or souls, and that's not enough to see Limbos (I mean that has nothing to do with them). They can interact but can't see.

Outside of Acasual 5 I'm pretty sure servants have interacted with every kind of intangibility at some point

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sure mate.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah but you forget Gil can literally spam these whenever he wants, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants. If Madara creates clones, Gil is going to send like 30 swords at him to stop him from attacking. Shinra Tensei is just gonna create more distance for Gil to spam more swords, Susano'o might work idk, and Chibaku Tensei doesn't fall so fast that Gil can't just dodge.

Gill has hundreds of meters with GoB

 

[M3X_2.0]

Outside of Acasual 5 I'm pretty sure servants have interacted with every kind of intangibility at some point

Cool, he can interact. Doesn't mean he can see or sense, at least from what I've read.

 

[Loyd]

isnt rho aias a concept defense against thrown weapons?

 

[AyameTofu]

Cool, he can interact. Doesn't mean he can see or sense, at least from what I've read.

He can sense them with SNI, as said before

 

[azontr]

Gill has hundreds of meters with GoB

Why are you saying this? Is this a counter to my "wherever he wants" argument? I do realize now he can't actually do that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Cool, he can interact. Doesn't mean he can see or sense, at least from what I've read.

Not to my knowledge

Also Gil can put GoB pretty much wherever he wants in his range so yeah

 

[M3X_2.0]

He can sense them with SNI, as said before

Ah, now it does change things.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why are you saying this? Is this a counter to my "wherever he wants" argument? I do realize now he can't actually do that.

The counter is that Gil isn't in range to GoB Madara immediately

 

[M3X_2.0]

Also Gil can put GoB pretty much wherever he wants in his range so yeah

And Madara has literally tens of ways to just tell those weapons to **** off

 

[azontr]

The counter is that Gil isn't in range to GoB Madara immediately

Ah. Well than specify that then dumbass lol I was confused.

 

[M3X_2.0]

bruh

 

[DaReaperMan]

And Madara has literally tens of ways to just tell those weapons to **** off

And what about a weapon literally 1 millimeter behind his head, or his stomach or his di-

 

[M3X_2.0]

why would the weapon be 1 milimeter away from Madara

 

[azontr]

why would the weapon be 1 milimeter away from Madara

Because he can put them anywhere within his range my guy. For example by madara's di-

 

[Loyd]

He can sense them with SNI, as said before

where does SNI give sense?

GoB has not spawn a weapon that close to somebody unless.. ?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Madara sensing this way before happening says no.

 

[azontr]

Madara sensing this way before happening says no.

If he senses one Gil will put another. And another. And a few thousand more.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Madara avoids a solid dome of weapons around himself?