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I am down with 4-A
If people can provide more evidence for 2-C that would be cool, neutral on that for now
If people can provide more evidence for 2-C that would be cool, neutral on that for now
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Above Heaven and Below Earth, 0 Alone Surpasses 13
- Thread starter Arc7Kuroi
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Agree.
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If the shockwave has to travel through spacetime, any method of calculating the feat based on 3D distance is incorrect. This would actually make it a tier 2 feat, especially since it has to travel through the garganta. If the universes were connected, then this calculation would work.
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Nope, all it means is that the distances cannot be stacked. Or by your logic the feat is just unquantifiably above 1x the reference feat.
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I see no issue with Mag 4
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Do we get a visual of the shaking? If so we could probably find the exact magnitude
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We only see shaking at certain areas, not everywhere, I speak more on it in the Feat/Interpretations spoiler if you want a more comprehensive take.
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yes,
You yourself said they are separate space-time continuums, separated by the garganta. Even if we count pure distance, the garganta is infinite in size, and im pretty sure the distance between each is not elaborated upon. Either way, using a 3d calculation to calculate a feat that needs to travel through space-time barriers is completely incorrect.
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damn oh well
well the feat is fine. do i like it? no. is it valid? yeah
well the feat is fine. do i like it? no. is it valid? yeah
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Since there is not objective evidence that the entire spacetime shook as opposed to just the physical matter of the universes shaking, no it is not a concrete tier 2 feat. I’m cool with like possibly or likely tier 2 but it’s not a full on rating. Otherwise we are going with what the thread mods have evaluated as correct. Perhaps this feat could end up as 4-A, possibly tier 2, I but that’s as far as it would go
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yes, the episode shows earth shaking as well as windows, tho idk how u calc the sky shaking
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Unfortunately that won’t help us.
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I honestly believe this is the most correct interpretation with the amount of evidence we do have but it's up to our evaluating stuff to decide that.
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Senjumaru's reiatsu has to affect the portion of the garganta connecting the 3 worlds together in order to reach them all.
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Nothing with the Garganta here is quantifiable so that’s just unknown and not relevant
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still serves as a space time barrier between the 3 worlds, still making this a tier 2 feat
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Not how that works, merely interacting with a barrier of space and time doesn’t objectively quantify a feat as tier 2
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im saying that the 3 realms are separate space time continuums because of this, and would objectively be tier 2
Guacamolefletcher
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I think I speak for everyone in asking for “BasedNecoScaler69” to stop their fruitless crusade to upgrade it even further when the scaling is already conservative and solid enough. We can see based on how the new anime does it later, if we need to upgrade this further but there is literally no point in arguing for this right now.
He’s literally cluttered the thread with more messages than you’ve done contributions at this point…
He’s literally cluttered the thread with more messages than you’ve done contributions at this point…
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kind of a moot point, as inorder to travel through space-time barriers, that has to happen
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I guess I'll explain my general thoughts of this thread.
I completely agree with the points laid out by Arc, arguing this statement is hyperbolic or without just cause is incredibly naive and almost, if not necessarily requires dishonesty when viewing the actual kanji used. The specific wording almost always describes the universe in itself rather than just something which can possibly describe the universe but has other probable interpretations. This isn't a word like "Sekai" which has a multitude of meanings depending on the context. It's especially so in this case as we directly see the dimensions shaking, which supports an already direct statement from a knowledgeable character.
So I agree with that.
As for the actual rating this should grant I'm personally leaning towards the "At least 4-A, likely/possibly Tier 2" interpretation. It assumes the least assumptive interpretation is most likely true but doesn't discount an interpretation with less support, but one that can be logically deduced from the text.
I completely agree with the points laid out by Arc, arguing this statement is hyperbolic or without just cause is incredibly naive and almost, if not necessarily requires dishonesty when viewing the actual kanji used. The specific wording almost always describes the universe in itself rather than just something which can possibly describe the universe but has other probable interpretations. This isn't a word like "Sekai" which has a multitude of meanings depending on the context. It's especially so in this case as we directly see the dimensions shaking, which supports an already direct statement from a knowledgeable character.
So I agree with that.
As for the actual rating this should grant I'm personally leaning towards the "At least 4-A, likely/possibly Tier 2" interpretation. It assumes the least assumptive interpretation is most likely true but doesn't discount an interpretation with less support, but one that can be logically deduced from the text.
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The "shaking physical space but not the space time continuum" makes no sense. Pretty much every tier 2 feat of this nature is the exact same in portrayal.
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Immeasurable speed?
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Shaking the entire spacetime continuum would imply shaking the past and future, which isn’t happening, just drop it, plan out a revision in the future after cour 3 and 4, and then come back.
No Reiō… that’s dimensional travel
and it’s not even inherently combat speed applicable. I Can shake a tree by grabbing one of its branches.
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That does not have to happen, just the present works as well.
the theory of relativity is the most accepted theory to explain the happenings of the universe and such.
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Yea in bleach space and time are intertwined like in special relativity which is also theory that humans believe in the wol
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other characters have not needed to shake the past or future. if that was the case the universe would be constantly shaking.
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That literally got nothing to do with any of this. Just drop the argument, actually plan a crt in the future, and wait for more evidence. You’re not helping anyone, and it’s just obnoxious.
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https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/Bleach_132_16.jpg
Idk if this scan helps here but I'm dropping it if anyone wants Solid evidence for L2C. SS AND WOL Realms
Idk if this scan helps here but I'm dropping it if anyone wants Solid evidence for L2C. SS AND WOL Realms
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Yeah....4-A possibly 2-C is the way it should go
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obnoxious to whom? for what reason?
Arc7's words:
that alone makes the calc inaccurate
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you dont see how calculating how a feat affects 4-d constructs by a 3 dimensional calc might not seem very good to use? like at all?
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Dude… we’re not revising the cosmology here. This is blatantly derailing
To the people actually involved in making the thread and the people approving it. You don’t know if tier 2 would get dismissed as an outlier or something of the sort, and you haven’t planned any of this out.
EldemadeDityjon
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My bad I thought neco was denying L2C statement for realms. I might have misunderstood I guess.
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I’ll say that I’d also support an “At least 4-A, possibly 2-C“ rating, but if the other staff only agree with 4-A, that’s fine with me as well.
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Yeah this, it's like making a CRT in a CRT yeah?
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Neco just because we see the physical universe shake and are told they are shaking is not inherent proof that the entire spacetime continuum is shaking. Hence why it is not a concrete tier 2 feat. It is POSSIBLE for sure that the spacetime itself is being shook, for some of the reasons you mentioned. However, since it is not objective we cannot assign a concrete rating.
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