Kirbonic_Pikmin
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3.8 Million copies isn't a big achievement????
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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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- bill cipher chosen undead darth vader death battle dimitri alexandre blaiddyd discord general discussion guts hank pym (marvel comics) jean grey (marvel comics) killua zoldyck martian manhunter (post-flashpoint) misaka mikoto obito uchiha raven (post-flashpoint) ray palmer rocket raccoon (marvel cinematic universe) silver surfer (marvel comics) stitch the dovahkiin
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how's it's lazy when Clare lacks any real resources to use outside going custom which what the weren't going for given wanted a
Guts episode in 3D
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I feel Guts vs Dimitri might be another Killua vs Misaka. Killua & Guts are well known but Dimitri & Misaka aren't.
Honestly I only know Dimitri exists because of Death Battle fans. I know nothing about him except that people want him to fight Guts for some reason.
It doesn't matter if Dimitri is from a famous series, you can be from a famous series and still be a literally who character.
The only fire emblem characters normies know are Marth and Lucina and maybe the other ones that appear in Smash Bros.
That being said, I should clarify that I don't mind Guts vs Fire Emblem dude. I don't know Guts nor the Fire Emblem character and I also don't know any good alternatives for either. I'm just pointing out it's cope to say Dimitri and Claymore girl are popular.
Honestly I only know Dimitri exists because of Death Battle fans. I know nothing about him except that people want him to fight Guts for some reason.
It doesn't matter if Dimitri is from a famous series, you can be from a famous series and still be a literally who character.
The only fire emblem characters normies know are Marth and Lucina and maybe the other ones that appear in Smash Bros.
That being said, I should clarify that I don't mind Guts vs Fire Emblem dude. I don't know Guts nor the Fire Emblem character and I also don't know any good alternatives for either. I'm just pointing out it's cope to say Dimitri and Claymore girl are popular.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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What Kirb said.
Yall are so ******* detached from reality that a mainline Nintendo franchise that has sold millions of copies and is something I see talked about constantly is considered """obscure"""", and yet I log in here every day and see yall promoting shit that's infinitely more obscure. If yall want your favorite anime or light novel or whatever to even have a shot at making it on DB, maybe don't bitch and whine whenever a decently series that isn't straight up billion dollar blockbuster material is picked.
Yall are so ******* detached from reality that a mainline Nintendo franchise that has sold millions of copies and is something I see talked about constantly is considered """obscure"""", and yet I log in here every day and see yall promoting shit that's infinitely more obscure. If yall want your favorite anime or light novel or whatever to even have a shot at making it on DB, maybe don't bitch and whine whenever a decently series that isn't straight up billion dollar blockbuster material is picked.
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lets see Dimitri comes from a series thats well known and have clout
Clare on the other hand has what exactly?
like be honesty how many are talking about Clare or claymore these days?
sure both are who's but which who has clout? which who has resources to pull from?
like honest to god answer me on that?
Clare on the other hand has what exactly?
like be honesty how many are talking about Clare or claymore these days?
sure both are who's but which who has clout? which who has resources to pull from?
like honest to god answer me on that?
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i need folks to get this
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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Dimitri is a main character from the million seller best selling entry of a major Nintendo series. Bro is literally on the boxart and the entire point of the game is choosing a faction to side with, and Dimitri is the major leader of one of those factions. He appears in the Smash Bros stage. There is no timeline in which he is a "who".
God the shit ya'll consider whos is embarrassing lol. We're never getting any franchise that's even slightly obscure at this rate lmfao.
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Their doing it for Guts! Why is it so hard to do it for the other character as well
They create entire fights animation for who characters sometimes so why is this suddenly a deal breaker?
I don't give a shit how many copies the game sold, I care about good matchups.
Neither Clare or Dimitri are household names, this is OBJECTIVELY TRUE, so make the better matchup an episode and introduce a new obscure series like you said.
Let Guts carry the episode if no-one is gonna know who the other character is
Better story, better characters, better emotional moments, more connections, similar aesthetic, come from the same media form, both got shitty anime adaptations, better character growth.
Basically everything
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because death battle isn't made of endless money and the peep who made custom models aren't there or left which make it harder and more costly
plus Guts has an existing 3D model
plus Guts has an existing 3D model
yes but again
we don't know what other factors played into Guts vs Clare not happening besides Clare lacking an existing 3d model
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Kirbonic_Pikmin
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Guts is a big enough character that they could reasonably still pull him against Clare a few seasons from now so I'm really not all that pressed about it. Gives us time to get Griffith against someone in-between.
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Spoilers my man
Also yeah I know why, it just sucks
Bring Guts back a 3rd time?
Aint that reserved for like the most popular characters?
Honestly don't believe that will happen
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Kirb, I have literally never heard a word of discussion online about FE and I'm online and looking at discussions a lot. Unironically, the most FE discussion I ever saw was people simping over Camilla and occasional blurbs about Heroes here and there.
Maybe I'm wrong, but FE very much feels like a fanbase that keeps to itself, and that might hurt the episode. When a casual audiences' most "anime" game franchise they play is probably FF or Persona 5 specifically, FE likely isn't on a lot of radars.
But hey, I'm more than willing to be proven wrong if the episode performs well. I'm not a stubborn child who will kick and scream about it, and if it brings good viewership, then I'm glad!
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I’m just saying, I see Clare talked about a hell of a lot more than Dimitri.
Guts though isn’t obscure, judging with all the virgins on the internet I’ve seen posting him
Edit:not to mention he’s not even popular in discussion of his own game, I’ve seen Edlegard a lot more too
Guts though isn’t obscure, judging with all the virgins on the internet I’ve seen posting him
Edit:not to mention he’s not even popular in discussion of his own game, I’ve seen Edlegard a lot more too
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Unironically if they did a remake of her anime rn I believe she'd lose her "Who?" status
The time the manga and anime came out screwed over any chance of popularity
At the time the Holy Shonen Trinity was in full effect and dicking on every other series at the time
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You mad capping if you think Berk is obscure when I hear this theme everywhere
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I remember claymore being talked about in the late 00s and early 10s n lingered a bit in the mid 10s but how bad was the anime to screw it over in popularity
Also yeah HST popularity was at its peak
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yeah FE isn't drawing clicks at all sorry
I predict like 1mil in a week for that episode if that, less than 1.5m in a month
look Darth Vader and Stitch didn't bring any decent views, like AVERAGE if you want to be generous, FE shitass isn't drawing views, Guts has to carry HARD and because he's likely losing, casuals aren't going to like it or skip it entirely.
I predict like 1mil in a week for that episode if that, less than 1.5m in a month
look Darth Vader and Stitch didn't bring any decent views, like AVERAGE if you want to be generous, FE shitass isn't drawing views, Guts has to carry HARD and because he's likely losing, casuals aren't going to like it or skip it entirely.
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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I wish I could go where you are because if I see anymore FEH discourse idk what the **** I'm gonna do lmfao. When Engage came out I would see if discussed on social media frequently for like a month.
CinnabarManx421
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I’m just saying I have a good friend who loves Fire Emblem 3 Houses, he talks about it a lot with me even though I don’t understand it. Never once have I even heard him talk about Dimitri lol
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Yeah, no. Guts vs Dimitri was actually requested in somewhere else than DB Fan idea wiki. I never saw Killua vs Misaka elsewhere but maaaybe some tier lists as a random option.
Guts vs Nightmare is also a 10 mil ep, and Berserk sells a lot unlike Hiatus X Hiatus.
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Kyle would definitely lose to Simon unless either DB highballs the Life Equation or they wank the shit out of Kyle for some reason. (This is coming from a guy who massively prefers Kyle over Simon)
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Also on Mahvel vs DeeCee
Its not that DC is blatantly > Marvel, the problem is that they are now just equal. Raven won via hax, not power.
The real problem is the absolutely insane equality chain this creates. DB now has:
Black Adam = Spectre = Trigon = Fate = Raven = Phoenix Force = Galactus = Apocalypse
Everyone is Tier 1, hell, 1-A I think by some of their words, unironically.
Its not that DC is blatantly > Marvel, the problem is that they are now just equal. Raven won via hax, not power.
The real problem is the absolutely insane equality chain this creates. DB now has:
Black Adam = Spectre = Trigon = Fate = Raven = Phoenix Force = Galactus = Apocalypse
Everyone is Tier 1, hell, 1-A I think by some of their words, unironically.
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Yeah but that's because they considered the two to be even on the power department that the hax is what tipped the scales in Raven's favor.
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Womens' rights
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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He was so incredibly real and based for this.
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Once again powerscalers are trying to convince me that something I never heard of outside of "Let's pit him against Gits" actually has a lot of fans and I've been living rock.
There's clearly only one answer: It's a government psy-op. The FBI is trying to gaslight me.
That being said I don't really mind that Guts is fighting Fire Emblem guy. Guys seems to be popular enough to carry an episode just by himself. I doubt most of the views will come from these Dimitri fans (Government agents)
I should mention that I don't think I push for matchups with unpopular characters. And if I do I have in mind that it's likely that they will never occur. It is what it is.
Based and redpilled.
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Hopefully sometime soon we can get a women only matchup that someone actually cares about
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Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd is one of the four main protagonists of FE3H, and like others said is far from being who. Not that well known compared to Guts sure but Clare is more forgotten (aka more WHO) than Dimitri.
The statistics backs this up.
The real obstacle is that very tongue twisting full name. Like three out of the four primary protagonists got their names so tongue twisting.
And since Three Houses are recent enough yet getting good materials to work on, I can see Dimitri getting into Death Battle first as a Fire Emblem candidate, aside from classic names like Marth and Corrin and Lucinaand Anna etc.
This also paves paths for Byleth Eisner vs Rean Schwarzer. Some day.
The statistics backs this up.
The real obstacle is that very tongue twisting full name. Like three out of the four primary protagonists got their names so tongue twisting.
And since Three Houses are recent enough yet getting good materials to work on, I can see Dimitri getting into Death Battle first as a Fire Emblem candidate, aside from classic names like Marth and Corrin and Lucina
This also paves paths for Byleth Eisner vs Rean Schwarzer. Some day.
I assume you talk about Raven vs Phoenix.
But what is the matter in bringing that up? I don't get it.
But what is the matter in bringing that up? I don't get it.
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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I could literally care less about Fire Emblem in power scaling. I'm not even a fan of the franchise. But I'm not going to plug my ears and act like its some unknown who franchise when its a bigger deal than half of the shit we ask for on the show here lol. I have not seen constant discussion and discourse about this damn series for it to be something "nobody talks about" or Dimitri being never discussed even within his own game. The main thing people talk about regarding this game is who was ******* right LMAO.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Are yall gonna be this ******* obnoxious every waiting period
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Yes, or else it wouldn't be a death battle thread
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Im not talking of stuff like that....if you cant know what i meant about, then dont insert your baseless interpretation with that example
Also stuff like brutalities and fatalities are fair use especially when they got used canonically by characters
No you proved how you side a close minded mentality cuz you arent able to cross the line to scaling, street fighter uses an ending for justying the AP of certain characters even tho all start with Bison being beat, yet surprise for you and others, that scaling isnt used, instead a feat that shows how powerful the characters from earlier mentioned are, but its hard for to use your mind to figure out a crossing line apparently and instead we gotta use the excuse of inconsistencies to rule it out, even tho none used that ever to get such scaling
NRS starts with Midway trilogy games again to change events and stuff, so that they wont end up at armageddon again like Midway, that was the whole point of armaggedon Raiden, to warn his past and prevent this future
You have no excuse to claim NRS and Midway are like DC post crisis, pre crisis, new 52 and so on, not to mention the injustice and crossover game with MK is canon in NRS and Midway, let alone intro dialogues suggesting Midway and NRS are connected, with the Scorpion that is the champion of elder gods against the current Scorpion or the Shinnok from armaggedon against current Shinnok
And you think individuals living in that mindset dont exist around still, check around more often before you say stuff
Marvel had just a 3-C upgrade last i checked and no word was even told here it was succeeded to get them at tier 2
Where? Since Ant isnt letting something so big go through just like that given comics are strict in here
I dont believe such a thing till i see it, especially after no word on this was told by anybody as far as i know
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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cmon man
If I can cope my way into (eventually) trying to make 1-B Touhou a thing, then surely you can find a way to try making your own revisions work.
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I think what people are forgetting with statistics is that you can do whatever the hell you want with them to say what you want with them (trust me, the last 3 years of global 'crises' have taught me that VERY well). By what metric are we measuring success? What is EXPECTED from these series? Were we in the board meeting when these series were pitched? Or are we just gamers and consumers who judge things in different and more refined ways?
HGSS Speedrunner Werster sums up my thoughts on this discussion pretty well in this video here:
HGSS Speedrunner Werster sums up my thoughts on this discussion pretty well in this video here:
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Ngl, it seems kind of weird for them to say that Jean had no defense against soul hax when not only is the WHR Phoenix beyond all other cosmic entities who do have soul based attacks and defenses but its the being responsible for death and rebirth in the Marvel multiverse. Considering said life aren't a bunch of soulless husks when they're reborn, it stands to reason that the Phoenix does in fact have power and defenses related to the soul. The Rachael Grey thing wasn't the WHR Phoenix so it seems weird to say that a massively stronger version of Phoenix can't manipulate souls just because the weaker and lesser version of itself failed to do so.
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Unironically, that is surprisingly decent argument to say Pokemon's mediocrity has affected sales negatively.
Unfortunately, current push is still in heavy millions and they push out a lot more games and merch, so they still get decent money at worst. Unless some CEOs get punished by "no growth grrrr" Pokemon might not change ways.
And tbh, I do wonder will Ninty have some problems for Switch 2. Game development takes so much, even with PS4-level hardware, Ninty might have to take more time. And god forbid Pokemon's 3-year dev schedule will not work if they want to grow games themselves.
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It's fine to prefer Clare vs Guts/Not like Guts vs Dimitri, or not even have heard of Dimitri up until this point, but some of the stuff y'all are saying is, to be blunt, dishonest af.
It's literally the 18th best selling franchise out of the 30 that have sold a million copies. Fire Emblem Heroes is also, by far, Nintendo's most successful mobile game, with millions of installs, and making over 1 billion in revenue. (Outside of Pokemon GO, but that's a different case)
"it would've died without Smash" is also a moot point, since Awakening is what saved the franchise, since it sold a million copies over a year before the trailer for Robin/Lucina even came out.
It's the best selling game in the franchise, outselling every Xenoblade, Metroid, Bayonetta, and Pikmin Game (Might change with Pikmin 4), despite being a niche af genre. Three Houses also won Strategy Game of the year in the Game Awards 2019.
Also, Byleth has one of most liked, and simultaneously disliked Smash Trailers
Also, Google Trends for FE3H vs Claymore
"Is this some kind of twisted joke" , "Kill every last one of them", "Please do not eat the weeds", are some of the biggest memes in the series, all of which involve Dimitri.
Dimitri was voted 4th most popular Nintendo character in Japan in 2020, placing above the likes of Pikachu, Yoshi, Zelda, and Luigi.
He's the 3rd most voted character in the history of Choose Your Legends, a popularity poll that takes place annually for Fire Emblem characters. Anyone who's even remotely familiar with Fire Emblem probably, most definitely has heard about Dimitri.
It's literally the 18th best selling franchise out of the 30 that have sold a million copies. Fire Emblem Heroes is also, by far, Nintendo's most successful mobile game, with millions of installs, and making over 1 billion in revenue. (Outside of Pokemon GO, but that's a different case)
"it would've died without Smash" is also a moot point, since Awakening is what saved the franchise, since it sold a million copies over a year before the trailer for Robin/Lucina even came out.
It's the best selling game in the franchise, outselling every Xenoblade, Metroid, Bayonetta, and Pikmin Game (Might change with Pikmin 4), despite being a niche af genre. Three Houses also won Strategy Game of the year in the Game Awards 2019.
Also, Google Trends for FE3H vs Claymore
"Is this some kind of twisted joke" , "Kill every last one of them", "Please do not eat the weeds", are some of the biggest memes in the series, all of which involve Dimitri.
Dimitri was voted 4th most popular Nintendo character in Japan in 2020, placing above the likes of Pikachu, Yoshi, Zelda, and Luigi.
He's the 3rd most voted character in the history of Choose Your Legends, a popularity poll that takes place annually for Fire Emblem characters. Anyone who's even remotely familiar with Fire Emblem probably, most definitely has heard about Dimitri.
It honestly seems like y'all are speaking from your own perspective, and assuming that's what everyone else thinks. In which case, tone down your ego.
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Yeaaaah, if some of you here wanted to do KilluaMisaka 2.0, you should have done if they had chosen Clare instead lmao
