Yakko vs Kratos (0-1-11)

[Undylan]

This would probably be a mistake. But I wish to see how this goes.

Yakko Warner: 0

vs

Kratos (with power of Hope): 1

Incon: 11

Both are Low 1-C. Speed is equalized

Who wins?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Plot hax GG?

 

[Greatsage13th]

God no...

 

[Huesito88]

What the heck that page looks nuts....

 

[Huesito88]

Plot hax GG?

Maybe broadway force as well?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Maybe that too.

If Yakko didn't have that, he'd be toast, but hey Plot hax GG

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Although Kratos resist Fate manipulation which is basically the same thing, but that's a topic for another day I guess

 

[Undylan]

Kratos should have a wincon too. Just need to grab Yakko and just kill him there thanks to immortality neg.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

He actually has a **** ton of wincons.

Just plot hax says **** that

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Although Kratos resist Fate manipulation which is basically the same thing, but that's a topic for another day I guess

They're not exactly the same; fate manipulation has to do with causality while plot manipulation has to do with breaking the fourth wall. Both of them have similar traits and extended applications though, so I don't completely disagree with you.

 

[KLOL506]

Yakko Plot Hax GGWP, literally Kratos' Achilles' Heel RN.

 

[Undylan]

So Yakko FRA?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

The one who Yaks FRA.

 

[KLOL506]

Pretty sure Kratos being unable to do anything against Plot Hax equals a stomp win for Yakk.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I suppose that depends on how often he uses the Plot Hax, and if Kratos has any wincons.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I suppose that depends on how often he uses the Plot Hax, and if Kratos has any wincons.

Fairly frequently. It's something he's done frequently and in different ways.

 

[Georredannea15]

How many D's does the plot hax run in? 4-D or 5-D.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

How many D's does the plot hax run in? 4-D or 5-D.

Up to 5-D.

 

[Undylan]

Kratos just needs to attack Yakko with his fist or weapons and he's dead right? He does have immortalty and regen neg to do it. Unless plot hax is too potent.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Kratos just needs to attack Yakko with his fist or weapons and he's dead right? He does have immortalty and regen neg to do it. Unless plot hax is too potent.

Correct. Yakko's just a tricky ****** to get your hands on thanks to teleportation, spatial, and HD phasing. Essentially, if he hops into the creation world, it might just be game over for Kratos.

 

[Georredannea15]

Kratos just needs to attack Yakko with his fist or weapons and he's dead right? He does have immortalty and regen neg to do it. Unless plot hax is too potent.

As far as I know, not every Plot is powerful. At the very least, they should have a feat that allows them to affect haxs in the verse, such like Acausality Type 4 or Transduality. Otherwise it is not assumed that they can affect haxs like Acausality or TD.

So, not every plot is assumed to be able to affect hax like Aca or TD this would be an NFL. Even Plot hax need feat.

At least that's how I've seen it in a few places, and that's how the fate of vs threads changed.

Either they've been deceived, or they're talking sense, but this makes sense to me.

 

[Undylan]

So yeah, I don't think its a stomp. If Yakko ***** around too much. Kratos can just grab him and kill him. But Yakko is not stupid ofc and may avoid that.

But how would Yakko win exactly?

 

[Georredannea15]

So yeah, I don't think its a stomp. If Yakko ***** around too much. Kratos can just grab him and kill him. But Yakko is not stupid ofc and may avoid that.

But how would Yakko win exactly?

Yakko's only winning key is plot. But does this Plot hax have a feat that can affect Type 4 Acausality? Otherwise this is not assumed.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

So yeah, I don't think its a stomp. If Yakko ***** around too much. Kratos can just grab him and kill him. But Yakko is not stupid ofc and may avoid that.

But how would Yakko win exactly?

Yakko can just mess with the script so he wins, just escape the plot entirely, make a DMCA report so that Kratos has to leave and give up due to copyright, control the plot via conducting, or use the animator hax to delete him from the plot.

Yakko's only winning key is plot. But does this Plot hax have a feat that can affect Type 4 Acausality? Otherwise this is not assumed.

I'm gonna be honest, Type 4 Acausality confuses me so I have absolutely no idea.

 

[Undylan]

Yakko's only winning key is plot. But does this Plot hax have a feat that can affect Type 4 Acausality? Otherwise this is not assumed.

How does that help?

 

[Dragonite007]

I'm gonna be honest, Type 4 Acausality confuses me so I have absolutely no idea.

"This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others."
Aca 4 don`t protect against Plot Hax

 

[Georredannea15]

How does that help?

If you do not have a plot hax in the verse that affects Type 4 Acausality assets, it is not assumed that this plot hax can affect Type 4 acausality.(Same for haxs like TD, NEP, ...)

I've seen this in a few revisions before and it changed the fate of this thread.

To clarify, a plot hax can work based on a cause and effect system, but characters with Type 4 Acausality are outside of certain cause an deffect systems, so this plot hax does not affect them. That's why I said the feat is needed. So indirectly plot hax resistance.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

If you do not have a plot hax in the verse that affects Type 4 Acausality assets, it is not assumed that this plot hax can affect Type 4 acausality.(Same for haxs like TD, NEP, ...)

I've seen this in a few revisions before and it changed the fate of this thread.

To clarify, a plot hax can work based on a cause and effect system, but characters with Type 4 Acausality are outside of certain cause an deffect systems, so this plot hax does not affect them. That's why I said the feat is needed. So indirectly plot hax resistance.

I dunno. Said plot hax comes from a place outside the flow of time in the Animaniacs multiverse and was capable of initially affecting Yakko himself before he pulled a RE, who can go in and out of this place without trouble. I dunno if that warrants Aca Type 4 because I'm kind of stupid but that's all I got.

 

[Georredannea15]

I dunno. Said plot hax comes from a place outside the flow of time in the Animaniacs multiverse and was capable of initially affecting Yakko himself before he pulled a RE, who can go in and out of this place without trouble. I dunno if that warrants Aca Type 4 because I'm kind of stupid but that's all I got.

If yakko can affect type 4 Acausality with this plot hax, yes this plot works on kratos. But otherwise it will not work.

If he/she can, it will turn into an angry vs.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Ion think acasuality type 4 protects against plot hax. It's fate hax y'all are thinking of

 

[RaveeCPN]

Ion think acasuality type 4 protects against plot hax. It's fate hax y'all are thinking of

Acausality (Types 1 and 4; The rules of time and space operate differently for the Gods.[63] Unaffected by changing the entire loop of events of God of War II required for God of War III to exist...

Kratos' type 4 also provides some resistance to plot hax- But yes, as you said, not all type 4s have this

 

[DimeUhDozen]

If yakko can affect type 4 Acausality with this plot hax, yes this plot works on kratos. But otherwise it will not work.

If he/she can, it will turn into an angry vs.

that doesn't explain anything but ok

 

[Georredannea15]

Ion think acasuality type 4 protects against plot hax. It's fate hax y'all are thinking of

Plot hax already does this, but if this feat is not shown in the verse, it's not assumed that these plot hax will affect Type 4 Acausality.

And of course, it is not assumed that they affect Type 4 Acausality in all plot haxs, just as not every Type 4 Acausality is strong. For that there must be an achievement in the verse that they affect Type 4.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Plot hax already does this, but if this feat is not shown in the verse, it's not assumed that these plot hax will affect Type 4 Acausality.

And of course, it is not assumed that they affect Type 4 Acausality in all plot haxs, just as not every Type 4 Acausality is strong. For that there must be an achievement in the verse that they affect Type 4.

You keep reiterating that, but you don't actually state that if the example I mentioned would affect Type 4.

 

[Georredannea15]

You keep reiterating that, but you don't actually state that if the example I mentioned would affect Type 4.

My only question is this: Can Yakko affect beings with Type 4 Acausality in the verse with a plot hax? Does Yakko have such a feat in the verse?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

If he/she can,

?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

My only question is this: Can Yakko affect beings with Type 4 Acausality in the verse with a plot hax? Does Yakko have such a feat in the verse?

That's what I quoted your initial question with, but you ignored it.

 

[Georredannea15]

That's what I quoted your initial question with, but you ignored it.

Uhhh... sorry, I'll get look on it.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Acasuallity 4 has nothing to do with plot manipulation sinse plot manipulation ignores the existence of a casuality seeing the world as fiction, if I can erase a save file on a God of war game yakko should be able to use Plot hax to do something similar

Voting Yakko as Georredannea15 seen to think acasuality actually protect from plot manipulation

Kratos' type 4 also provides some resistance to plot hax- But yes, as you said, not all type 4s have this

Not really a plot resistence, more of a resistence to time manipulation to scape a time loop

 

[Georredannea15]

I dunno. Said plot hax comes from a place outside the flow of time in the Animaniacs multiverse and was capable of initially affecting Yakko himself before he pulled a RE, who can go in and out of this place without trouble. I dunno if that warrants Aca Type 4 because I'm kind of stupid but that's all I got.

Hmmm... I'm not sure that would affect it.