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This was accepted and I need someone to Unlock Superman so I can add it.
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Ask @Just_a_Random_Butler they are usually active and willing to do these sorta things.
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And why is supergirl High 1-C exactly?
Supergirl (Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade)
Kara Zor-El, a.k.a. Supergirl, is a teenage Kryptonian from the Argo City region. When her mother wouldn't let her become a cheerleader due to her poor grades, she runs away from home and hides on a rocket headed towards Earth. There she meets her distant relative, Superman. Kara then becomes...
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It's explained on the profile.Bump
And why is supergirl High 1-C exactly?
Supergirl (Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade)
Kara Zor-El, a.k.a. Supergirl, is a teenage Kryptonian from the Argo City region. When her mother wouldn't let her become a cheerleader due to her poor grades, she runs away from home and hides on a rocket headed towards Earth. There she meets her distant relative, Superman. Kara then becomes...
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I know that but do those dimensions have R>F transcendence?
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Rag Doll (Peter Merkel)
Peter Merkel, known also as Rag Doll was once an enemy of Jay Garrick. When he got older he became a cult leader which lead to his first time. After being revived he joined the Injustice Society where after trying to bail out from a fight he met his final demise. Tier: 9-B Name: Peter Merkel...
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So, I'm looking at one of the feats people argue as an Anti-feat, and it is HILARIOUSLY out of context.
This one: Superman passes out after stopping a ship that would destroy a continent. Action Comics 902
Well, if you read the storyline you'd see: Superman was already weakened from being tortured and repeatedly blasted by Lex Luthor with the power of the Zone Child before he even got to where Doomslayer was. Action Comics #900. He even passes out before he even fights Doomslayer.
Then he gets into another fight with the Doomsdays and gets beaten up by Doomslayer AGAIN immediately before performing this feat. Action Comics 901-902.
Using that as an anti-feat when he's already clearly incredibly weakened feels....disingenuous to me.
This one: Superman passes out after stopping a ship that would destroy a continent. Action Comics 902
Well, if you read the storyline you'd see: Superman was already weakened from being tortured and repeatedly blasted by Lex Luthor with the power of the Zone Child before he even got to where Doomslayer was. Action Comics #900. He even passes out before he even fights Doomslayer.
Then he gets into another fight with the Doomsdays and gets beaten up by Doomslayer AGAIN immediately before performing this feat. Action Comics 901-902.
Using that as an anti-feat when he's already clearly incredibly weakened feels....disingenuous to me.
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You may post this in the Tier 2 thread if you’d like.
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OK, thank you.
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Yikes, I've been following that thread since day one, and it's about as hectic as the previous thread.
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We discussed the Warworld one on here and it was agreed that that one has way too many asterisks. While Superman was sundipped, Warworld was being moved by FTL Thrusters amped by Imperiex.
Also, All Star Superman is super non-canon, so not sure why that one is constantly referenced.
The Superman 187 one in the full scan has Superman disagree with Lois on whether he could or couldn't, and he ends up moving Krypton via both his strength and using his heat vision to power Ion engines to help so that one's not a good example. At best, it's a feat of a weakened Superman having enough strength and power in his heat vision to assist in moving a planet.
The JLA #75 one has them literally having just come back to life and still being weakened.
The Justice League of America (2006) #29 one has them pulling the Earth against Starbreaker trying to pull it into the sun, with Starbreaker explicitly taking energy to do it and them fighting his energy even as he powers up.
Adventures of Superman 618 is actually more of a high showing than a low showing as John and Alan aren't just holding the Earth together, they're holding it together and creating atmosphere and gravity against Fifth dimension magic.
Trinity#49 is just plain unusable as Hal's ring and every hero's power are being drained. It's not just that the planet was busted and torn apart, but its worldspirit was removed, which was connected to all the heroes powers and was draining them all (Trinity vol 1 (2006) #49). That's why his ring was counting down the charge in that scan, and why his powers came back the moment the World-Spirit was restored despite both his main and emergency charge being depleted.
Action comics 901-902, I've discussed, so I'll just quote it again here:
Teen Titans/JLA is slightly more complicated than "A team is moving the moon". The team specifically is dismantling the weapons and tactics of the Cyberion station, reclaiming the New Genesis tech and keeping Cyberion station from moving the moon in a way that would disrupt Earth.
Don't get me wrong, you did really amazing work, but a lot of these were discussed and the context is missing for the Anti-feats.
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That's... just wrong, and kinda naive?
A character can be weakened to any level, it just depends on what the author wants.
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Yeah… no.
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Oh well in that case
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They're really not mate. This logic doesn't work.
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We have a Tier 2 that can hold back to the point that they don't kill 10-Bs, this is basically the same thing
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I genuinely have no idea where you got that impression, because none of my comments up to this point ever used the word infinite or finite.
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Then what you are saying is even more wrong than I initally thought. Hopefully this won't make a difference on the thread.
Doesn't Dragon Ball Super has something like this too?
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Holding back and being weakened are very different things.
It's not, no. Being weakened doesn't really matter here.
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I don't quite understand what you're arguing for lol
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Sure, like I said, it'd be inappropriate to use it as an anti-feat for star level or something comparable, but being weakened alone doesn't justify it in this circumstance.
I can see you won't be convinced so I won't go around in circles explaining it any more, but that's just the most reasonable approach.
I can see you won't be convinced so I won't go around in circles explaining it any more, but that's just the most reasonable approach.
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Characters can be weakened to any degree the author wants so me personally, I don't see any "anti-feats" involving a weakened version of a character to actually be anti-feats. *********** Tier 2 Goku got grazed by a bullet to show he's "getting rusty" (even though he's still easily in the 2-C range) so clearly the writers can just do whatever the hell they want.
That's just my two cents
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This is so horribly wrong, I can't even.
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Eh. You can say that of course, but these are the facts. Some vague notion of "weakened" doesn't mean an event is incapable of telling us anything about a characters power. Pretending that just to achieve a higher rating than is justified is simply an inaccurate way to rate a character.
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Uh, no. It really isn't. The facts are that [insert anti-feat here] is done by a weakened version of a character, and said character can be as weakened as the narrative needs them to be.
Saying we're "pretending" and that our viewpoint is "simply inaccurate" as if yours is objectively correct ain't the best look
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Dude. In one of those supposed anti-feats, DOOMSDAY kicked his ass. Twice. Not even counting the other events in that comic, but Doomsday going to town on him is more than enough to weaken him to such a degree, given that he, you know, damn near killed him in their first, and pretty much every, encounter.
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I absolutely agree with that. Just not for the same reason as you.
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