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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

Spamton vs Scrooge McDuck (links for profiles are in the thread)

Basically the reason why Scrooge was voted completely ignores that Spamton scales so high from 0.3 Tons that he takes just one damage from attacks on that level, and thus it's kinda logical to assume he'd one shot someone on that level too.

Meaning that he literally wins from hitting Scrooge once while getting minimal damage from the opponent (he hasn't dura neg hax to make it worse) with the latter being only baseline 8-C.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Spamton vs Scrooge McDuck (links for profiles are in the thread)

Basically the reason why Scrooge was voted completely ignores that Spamton scales so high from 0.3 Tons that he takes just one damage from attacks on that level, and thus it's kinda logical to assume he'd one shot someone on that level too.

Meaning that he literally wins from hitting Scrooge once while getting minimal damage from the opponent (he hasn't dura neg hax to make it worse) with the latter being only baseline 8-C.
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Scrooge's cane also no-sells attacks on his level. So knocking Spamton's shit right back into his face is a good wincon, in fact, so is talking him out of fighting cause that is IC for that particular incarnation of the richest duck to ever live to do
 
Thread appears to be in order- it is quick but people had the AP values listed out in the OP (even noting that Spamton's AP is listed as "far higher"). Match seems fine to remain.
 

Requesting this thread's removal. As pointed out by several people in this thread, no actual argument for why Kirito wins was provided, the few points that were brought up for him were thoroughly refuted by multiple people throughout the thread. Basically just a three page FRA train that ignored all of the actual arguments presented in the thread.
 
WeeklyBattles said:

Requesting this thread's removal. As pointed out by several people in this thread, no actual argument for why Kirito wins was provided, the few points that were brought up for him were thoroughly refuted by multiple people throughout the thread. Basically just a three page FRA train that ignored all of the actual arguments presented in the thread.
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I also think this match should be removed. Most of the votes counted where at the start of the thread and where FRA's when win conditions where still being discussed.
 
WeeklyBattles said:

Requesting this thread's removal. As pointed out by several people in this thread, no actual argument for why Kirito wins was provided, the few points that were brought up for him were thoroughly refuted by multiple people throughout the thread. Basically just a three page FRA train that ignored all of the actual arguments presented in the thread.
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meanwhile you yourself straight up lied about half of Yang's advantages and waved it off as the profiles being shit (we know they are)

please stop
 
Scottycj256 said:
meanwhile you yourself straight up lied about half of Yang's advantages and waved it off as the profiles being shit (we know they are)

please stop
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If I remember correctly, you contributed absolutely nothing besides repeating information, on top of adding the match early despite new arguments being made against Kirito, which means you are part of the very problem we are trying to remedy.

Please stop
 
Mickey1940 said:
If I remember correctly, you contributed absolutely nothing besides repeating information, on top of adding the match early despite new arguments being made against Kirito, which means you are part of the very problem we are trying to remedy.

Please stop
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you literally made yourself out like you only watched the anime and didn't even read the light novel to even humor whether or not Kirito actually had any skill to begin with and just waved it off as him going unga bunga, completely ignoring every argument curry brought up with simple "no's" or "cool's" when presented with some points and outright dismissals in others, meanwhile weekly would claim that not voting for yang was ******* bias and that non-yang votes shouldnt be counted even though they blatantly did, do not even try with me
 
Scottycj256 said:
you literally made yourself out like you only watched the anime and didn't even read the light novel to even humor whether or not Kirito actually had any skill to begin with and just waved it off as him going unga bunga, completely ignoring every argument curry brought up with simple "no's" or "cool's" when presented with some points and outright dismissals in others, meanwhile weekly would claim that not voting for yang was ******* bias, do not even try with me
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I based all of my arguments from their profiles

And if I recall, no, I didn't do that. Anyone who has read the actual thread would agree with me

I know this isn't allowed but since the other thread is closed, I'm just going to re-re-re-re-re address this here. Here's Kirito's intelligence profile on his page:

Intelligence: Though he is academically average, Kirito has a high combat intelligence and can adapt to battles and situations on the fly. He has over 2 years of battle experience fighting for his life against both predictable NPCs and unpredictable players alike, developing a fighting style that revolves around tricking his opponents into doing what he wants through mind games and feints, or searching for any openings or weaknesses of the opponent on the fly and adapting his strategy to counteract that. His knack for finding patterns and adapting to situations has also led to him to develop multiple Outside System Skills to help in various situations, as well as notice things that most people wouldn't. Additionally, Kirito is very knowledgeable with computers and mathematics (e.g. he randomly computes the volume of the food he eats), and is extremely proficient in multitasking. He has an extremely good memory, as he remembers dozens upon dozens of Sword Skills and how to get into their pre-motions, nearly every single game mechanic, and piles of information on every single floor of Aincrad up to the 75th floor; using everything he has in his memory to his advantage in combat. WoG states that if there was no threat of death, Kirito would be able to get to the 75th floor from the beginning starting at level 1 with just his knowledge and experience alone.

breaking this down:

1. Adapting to battles and situations on the fly:
Yang has the same thing
2. 2 Years of battle experience fighting for his life:
Yang has over 10
3. Against both predictable NPCs and unpredictable players alike:
Everything in SAO uses sword skills which are inherently telegraphed and suffer from input lag. The unpredictability comes from when people use which sword skills, which is still just being a pro gamer and not a pro fighter.
4. Developing a fighting style that revolves around tricking his opponents into doing what he wants through mind games and feints, or searching for any openings or weaknesses of the opponent on the fly and adapting his strategy to counteract that:
Yang doesn't rely on sword skills so everything she does isn't literally exactly the same so this isn't particularly impressive or anything Yang hasn't seen before. Not to mention Kirito's arsenal isn't varied enough to take advantage of it, PLUS any strategy he can think of just gets negged by aura and blocked and due to his aforementioned barren movepool he can't do anything about it
5. His knack for finding patterns and adapting to situations has also led to him to develop multiple Outside System Skills to help in various situations, as well as notice things that most people wouldn't.
Detecting patterns is nice but he's not used to fighting people with zero restrictions in how they fight. Everyone he has fought uses Sword Skills in tandem with each other to create combos, and seeing those over and over for 2 years straight is of course going to help people's pattern recognition and micro. It's not anything particularly skillful in terms of martial arts. Plus Yang has this too as demonstrated against the Twins
6. Additionally, Kirito is very knowledgeable with computers and mathematics (e.g. he randomly computes the volume of the food he eats), and is extremely proficient in multitasking
Computers and mathematics doesn't help him
7. He has an extremely good memory, as he remembers dozens upon dozens of Sword Skills and how to get into their pre-motions, nearly every single game mechanic, and piles of information on every single floor of Aincrad up to the 75th floor; using everything he has in his memory to his advantage in combat. WoG states that if there was no threat of death, Kirito would be able to get to the 75th floor from the beginning starting at level 1 with just his knowledge and experience alone
Good memory doesn't help him
 
If I recall correctly, not a damn thing was fed showing Kirito was actually skilled, if it's this hard to get any information or scans out of the supporters for Kirito not being an idiot with good gamesense and OP abilities for the game, I'd really hate to see ya'll on other verses

If you don't want people to use to use the Anime, give the scenes from the LN, show Kirito actually being skilled at this point in SAO!
 
Could Ichigo's match against Metal Sonic be removed from his page? The key Metal Sonic was in for the match has since been upgraded to just 4-A whilst the Ichigo key used was just 4-C
 
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DaReaperMan said:
If I recall correctly, not a damn thing was fed showing Kirito was actually skilled, if it's this hard to get any information or scans out of the supporters for Kirito not being an idiot with good gamesense and OP abilities for the game, I'd really hate to see ya'll on other verses

If you don't want people to use to use the Anime, give the scenes from the LN, show Kirito actually being skilled at this point in SAO!
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TBF none of us were arguing Kirito was more skilled than Yang. I think I go ahead to make that a point in the thread. It was his Analytical Prediction that people were arguing in favor of.
 
CurrySenpai said:
TBF none of us were arguing Kirito was more skilled than Yang. I think I go ahead to make that a point in the thread. It was his Analytical Prediction that people were arguing in favor of.
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That arguably has issues too, to be fair, but even then I personally don't think some honestly pretty basic anal prediction isn't enough to deal with Kirito being at an AP/Dura/Range/Skill disadvantage, he's not RoR Kojirou lol

I still stand by what I said on the ass-end of page 2 on the thread though and there's no skin off my back here
 
DaReaperMan said:
That arguably has issues too, to be fair, but even then I personally don't think some honestly pretty basic anal prediction isn't enough to deal with Kirito being at an AP/Dura/Range/Skill disadvantage, he's not RoR Kojirou lol

I still stand by what I said on the ass-end of page 2 on the thread though and there's no skin off my back here
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Do people actually regularly say "anal prediction" without laughing
 
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