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It should be noted that Fat Janemba is stated to be stronger than Innocent Buu
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Sure, that should be fine.@LordTracer you agree with Buu scaling to High 3-A based on Fusion Reborn Goku's feat?
No. Completely disagree there.I think SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SSJ2 Goku, and Super Perfect Cell would downscale too since Dabura (who is considered to be comparable if not superior to Cell) and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta were able to still harm Buu somewhat even though Buu was clearly superior
When was it said that pre-ROSAT Gotenks was superior to SSJ2 Majin Vegeta?Gotenks, a superior character to both of them, was completely unable to do anything to Buu and had to look helpless while Buu annihilated a bunch of people.
Accepted even for mangaWhen was it said that pre-ROSAT Gotenks was superior to SSJ2 Majin Vegeta?
Should this thread be changed up and make it one for Toei Buu being High 3-A? Toei Cell being anywhere near 3-A is gonna need an entirely separate and multiple threads to even considerAccepted even for manga
Think there's an on-going Gotenks thread that's going to change thatAccepted even for manga
If that's the case, I would like to be linked those threadsToei Cell being anywhere near 3-A is gonna need an entirely separate and multiple threads to even consider
You might want to hold up on that. Just received message that Deagonx is planning on potentially revising the High 3-A universes.If that's the case, I would like to be linked those threadsbecause I'm making them, I was only planning to just settle everything in just this one thread
Assuming he's gonna use the statements of Cell destroying the universe, I don't think it matters if the universes are infinite or not, he'd still get to 3-B/3-A if acceptedYou might want to hold up on that. Just received message that Deagonx is planning on potentially revising the High 3-A universes.
You might want to hold up on that. Just received message that Deagonx is planning on potentially revising the High 3-A universes.
Cell is Immortal, so destroying a finite universe would just put him as 4-B due to being able to destroy neutron stars, but that's about itAssuming he's gonna use the statements of Cell destroying the universe, I don't think it matters if the universes are infinite or not, he'd still get to 3-B/3-A if accepted
Yupdestroying neutron stars is 4-B?
Even SSJ2 Goku did pretty well against Fat Janemba thoughHigh 3-A Buu from FR is fine but scaling SSJ2s and Cell Saga characters to that is a stretch.
@LephyrTheRevanchistI never agreed with High 3-A Broly on that previous thread, so I don't agree with this tbh. But this is a solid 3-C feat however.
Broly’s is valid because he was eventually gonna destroy the Universe and the galaxy shown at the beginning of the movie wasn’t the South “Galaxy” (Section) it was a random galaxy that Broly destroyed and he was doing this to other galaxies at a rate where King Kai thought his North Galaxy would be next supported by the daizenshuu and director supporting its a common misconception that a NSEW galaxy is an actual galaxyI never agreed with High 3-A Broly on that previous thread, so I don't agree with this tbh. But this is a solid 3-C feat however.
Nah, 4-A. As godofice said, Buu didn't obliterate the galaxy in one attack.I never agreed with High 3-A Broly on that previous thread, so I don't agree with this tbh. But this is a solid 3-C feat however.
Broly can't be a threat to an infinite universe without being High 3-A or having infinite speed.I never agreed with High 3-A Broly on that previous thread, so I don't agree with this tbh. But this is a solid 3-C feat however.
Considering that the Metal Cooler movie is canon, DBZ characters should have immeasurable speed since Metal Cooler outpaced Goku's teleportationBroly can't be a threat to an infinite universe without...having infinite speed.
We don't consider that one canon, no. Only the first Cooler movie.Considering that the Metal Cooler movie is canon, DBZ characters should have immeasurable speed since Metal Cooler outpaced Goku's teleportation
It doesn't scale.Considering that the Metal Cooler movie is canon, DBZ characters should have immeasurable speed since Metal Cooler outpaced Goku's teleportation
Nah, since Super Janemba is superior to Hirudegarn, who is stronger than a Goku we consider way higher than the one from Fusion Reborn.Shouldn't SSJ3 Goku scale to Janemba?
I've looked at the fight, and SSJ3 Goku could repeatedly match Janemba and even stagger him with a kick to the head, but once Janemba used the dimensional warp hax he got the edge.
But if not, then Fat Buu scaling to SSJ3 Goku's High 3-A should be fine. Buu grew over the course of the fight, and by the end of the fight was matching him and even pushed him back with a beam.
Disagree with SSJ2 level people downscaling (as Buu utterly humiliated them) with the possible exception of Vegeta's explosion, and the Metal Cooler movie is not canon.
So it's an outlier, then?Nah, since Super Janemba is superior to Hirudegarn, who is stronger than a Goku we consider way higher than the one from Fusion Reborn.
Not so much an outlier, but Janemba toying with him and getting caught by surprise. Also the usual fight shenanigans in these movies ayy. Gotta keep the plot going until the fusion appears.So it's an outlier, then?
Also this may be a bit of a derail but Pikkon's profile should note that he sent Janemba flying with a kick.
Makes sense.Not so much an outlier, but Janemba toying with him and getting caught by surprise. Also the usual fight shenanigans in these movies ayy. Gotta keep the plot going until the fusion appears.
All I know is that his full power was about as strong as Kaioken x2 + SSJ Goku in the Cell Saga.Pikkon sadly stopped having a clear scaling to Goku.
Tbf, Kid Buu stomped everyone.Specially in Buu saga, where he's then shown as absolute fodder to Kid Buu (and Yamcha is stronger for some reason).
I mean he got stomped, but he still sent him flying with a kick.So his Janemba showing is kinda iffy. And again, similar fight shenanigans stuff.
Makes sense.
All I know is that his full power was about as strong as Kaioken x2 + SSJ Goku in the Cell Saga.
Tbf, Kid Buu stomped everyone.
Also Yamcha is that guy.
I mean he got stomped, but he still sent him flying with a kick.