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It should be noted that Fat Janemba is stated to be stronger than Innocent Buu
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The High 3-A (or 4-A) upgrade for Toei DBZ
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Sure, that should be fine.
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I think SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SSJ2 Goku, and Super Perfect Cell would downscale too since Dabura (who is considered to be comparable if not superior to Cell) and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta were able to still harm Buu somewhat even though Buu was clearly superior
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No. Completely disagree there.
Gotenks, a superior character to both of them, was completely unable to do anything to Buu and had to look helpless while Buu annihilated a bunch of people.
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I disagree the galaxy Broly is shown destroying is one of countless galaxies in the southern galaxy he was destroying that section of the universe at a rate where he’d eventually destroy it all and then eventually threatened to destroy the universe destroying a galaxy is just 3-C and overtime is 4-A Broly was destroying galaxies and the one in the beginning of the movie is just one of countless galaxies since NSEW galaxies are just denominations
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When was it said that pre-ROSAT Gotenks was superior to SSJ2 Majin Vegeta?
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Accepted even for manga
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Should this thread be changed up and make it one for Toei Buu being High 3-A? Toei Cell being anywhere near 3-A is gonna need an entirely separate and multiple threads to even consider
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Think there's an on-going Gotenks thread that's going to change that
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If that's the case, I would like to be linked those threads
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I'm not sure how reliable Kuririn is for gauging Gotenks' power, also the panel where Kuririn makes that statement doesn't scream that he's confident about Gotenks beating Buu
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High 3-A Buu from FR is fine but scaling SSJ2s and Cell Saga characters to that is a stretch. Even Fat Buu's power is stated to be "like a lie" and always dramatically rising every subsequent fight he had. There's no reason to assume any version of Fat Buu pre fighting SSJ3 Goku in ep. 246 was High 3-A.
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You might want to hold up on that. Just received message that Deagonx is planning on potentially revising the High 3-A universes.
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Assuming he's gonna use the statements of Cell destroying the universe, I don't think it matters if the universes are infinite or not, he'd still get to 3-B/3-A if accepted
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Cell is Immortal, so destroying a finite universe would just put him as 4-B due to being able to destroy neutron stars, but that's about it
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destroying neutron stars is 4-B?
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Yup
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Even SSJ2 Goku did pretty well against Fat Janemba though
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The SSJ2 Goku from that fight comes way after Fat Buu's appearance
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I have to disagree, sorry.
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So? Nothing really suggests that Goku got any stronger or weaker since then
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I never agreed with High 3-A Broly on that previous thread, so I don't agree with this tbh. But this is a solid 3-C feat however.
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Broly’s is valid because he was eventually gonna destroy the Universe and the galaxy shown at the beginning of the movie wasn’t the South “Galaxy” (Section) it was a random galaxy that Broly destroyed and he was doing this to other galaxies at a rate where King Kai thought his North Galaxy would be next supported by the daizenshuu and director supporting its a common misconception that a NSEW galaxy is an actual galaxy
Also this is probably a 4-A feat considering it was done overtime but I think Buu might scale to FB but if that’s being done the op should edit it in the op
(If there was 4 galaxies living world would be 3-B and not Low 2-C
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Nah, 4-A. As godofice said, Buu didn't obliterate the galaxy in one attack.
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Broly can't be a threat to an infinite universe without being High 3-A or having infinite speed.
This would also be a 4-A feat since it was done overtime.
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I edited the OP
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Considering that the Metal Cooler movie is canon, DBZ characters should have immeasurable speed since Metal Cooler outpaced Goku's teleportation
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As said, I agree with Fat Buu scaling to High 3-A ssj3 Goku. Disagree with the others downscaling.
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We don't consider that one canon, no. Only the first Cooler movie.
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It doesn't scale.
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Shouldn't SSJ3 Goku scale to Janemba?
I've looked at the fight, and SSJ3 Goku could repeatedly match Janemba and even stagger him with a kick to the head, but once Janemba used the dimensional warp hax he got the edge.
But if not, then Fat Buu scaling to SSJ3 Goku's High 3-A should be fine. Buu grew over the course of the fight, and by the end of the fight was matching him and even pushed him back with a beam.
Disagree with SSJ2 level people downscaling (as Buu utterly humiliated them) with the possible exception of Vegeta's explosion, and the Metal Cooler movie is not canon.
I've looked at the fight, and SSJ3 Goku could repeatedly match Janemba and even stagger him with a kick to the head, but once Janemba used the dimensional warp hax he got the edge.
But if not, then Fat Buu scaling to SSJ3 Goku's High 3-A should be fine. Buu grew over the course of the fight, and by the end of the fight was matching him and even pushed him back with a beam.
Disagree with SSJ2 level people downscaling (as Buu utterly humiliated them) with the possible exception of Vegeta's explosion, and the Metal Cooler movie is not canon.
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Nah, since Super Janemba is superior to Hirudegarn, who is stronger than a Goku we consider way higher than the one from Fusion Reborn.
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So it's an outlier, then?
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Not so much an outlier, but Janemba toying with him and getting caught by surprise. Also the usual fight shenanigans in these movies ayy. Gotta keep the plot going until the fusion appears.
Pikkon sadly stopped having a clear scaling to Goku. Specially in Buu saga, where he's then shown as absolute fodder to Kid Buu (and Yamcha is stronger for some reason). So his Janemba showing is kinda iffy. And again, similar fight shenanigans stuff.
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Makes sense.
All I know is that his full power was about as strong as Kaioken x2 + SSJ Goku in the Cell Saga.
Tbf, Kid Buu stomped everyone.
Also Yamcha is that guy.
I mean he got stomped, but he still sent him flying with a kick.
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But nah, sadly Pikkon is too inconsistent outside his portrayal back in Cell saga.
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