The High 3-A (or 4-A) upgrade for Toei DBZ

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Now in the show we see Buu perform a similar feat to what Broly did, Occum's razor would suggest that Fat Buu would be High 3-A just like Broly as this is the justification for him:

Destroyed entire sectors of the Southern Galaxy/Southern Quadrant while being restrained, NSEW Galaxy terms refer to a section of the universe which contain countless galaxies, leaving only a few planets and stars. King Kai stated he posed an imminent threat to the Northern Galaxy, and Paragus stated Broly would eventually destroy the universe which is infinite if he lost control of him

This would explicitly make Buu either 3-C or 4-A

Although considering how Buu could tank his put up somewhat of a fight against SSJ3 Goku, and Goku himself comparing Fat Janemba to Fat Buu in Fusion Reborn, this can make it possible to downscale Fat Buu to High 3-A

Any characters such as SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SSJ2 Goku, Perfect Cell should scale because even though they are definitely weaker than Fat Buu, it is definitely implied that it's not by a large margin. Majin Vegeta and Dabura after all were able to do some damage to Buu after all, and Piccolo even stated that the fight between Fat Buu and Vegeta was producing enough ki to rival Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell, and SSJ2 Goku did pretty well against Fat Janemba too.

Why am I saying this is Fat Buu and not Kid Buu? Because that would've been the Buu that Shin was referring to in that moment! And besides, we had to take into account how Dragon Ball is written, and Kid Buu wasn't even a thing in the creators' minds at the time that episode came out, the first chapter where we see Kid Buu came out over a year after the episode with the feat in mind came out, the anime production team definitely would not have known about Kid Buu.

So, I can say that it's reasonable to put Fat Buu at "at least 4-A to 3-C, possibly High 3-A"

 

[Aachintya31]

How do you know this galaxy is infinite in size?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Let's take a look at Broly's justification:

Destroyed entire sectors of the Southern Galaxy/Southern Quadrant while being restrained, NSEW Galaxy terms refer to a section of the universe which contain countless galaxies, leaving only a few planets and stars. King Kai stated he posed an imminent threat to the Northern Galaxy, and Paragus stated Broly would eventually destroy the universe which is infinite if he lost control of him

With Buu performing the same feat, we can put him at High 3-A too

 

[Aachintya31]

Let's take a look at Broly's justification:

With Buu performing the same feat, we can put him at High 3-A too

Eh, No ?
While Broly was specifically stated to destroy the South Galaxy/Quadrant Which is 1/4th of the infinite universe placing him at High 3-A.
I don't think in Buu's case it was any of the quadrants but a regular galaxy sized galaxy.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Well, do we ever see a stand alone Galaxy that's not part of a quadrant?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Well, do we ever see a stand alone Galaxy that's not part of a quadrant?

Unfortunately, that doesn't work here. You'd need more explicit proof, and Broly in particular had a bunch of other supporting statements on top of the feat itself. Not the same at all.

Gotta disagree.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Well, there is this:

NSEW Galaxy terms refer to a section of the universe which contain countless galaxies

 

[Quantu]

Prove that Buu destroyed a quadrant instead of a single galaxy and you got your High 3-A.

Until then, I disagree.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I'm not saying that it's Kid Buu, it's Fat Buu

 

[Quantu]

I'm not saying that it's Kid Buu, it's Fat Buu

Edited, but I'm referring to the same feat.

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

This is 3-C at best

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I'll be fine if we get Fat Buu only up to 4-A or 3-C, although the galaxy that Buu destroyed is rather similar to the one Broly destroyed

Edit: to ask though, how come the Broly movie isn't considered canon to the anime?

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

Well, there is this:

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Edit: to ask though, how come the Broly movie isn't considered canon to the anime?

Can't reasonably fit the timeline of events on top of the quote that movies are parallel universes and it not being referred to in the anime in any way.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Well, there is also the fact that Perfect Cell was considered to be a threat to the entire Universe, and so was Broly

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

Well, there is also the fact that Perfect Cell was considered to be a threat to the entire Universe, and so was Broly

If you wanna argue Universal Toei Cell make another thread for it

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Disagree. No proof that this is a quadrant.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Can't reasonably fit the timeline of events on top of the quote that movies are parallel universes and it not being referred to in the anime in any way.

how come then Fusion Reborn is considered canon? Also, I think you can fit the Broly movie on top of the time between when Goku and Gohan exited the RoSaT to the Cell games

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Well, there is also the fact that Perfect Cell was considered to be a threat to the entire Universe, and so was Broly

So?

 

[Aachintya31]

Well, there is also the fact that Perfect Cell was considered to be a threat to the entire Universe, and so was Broly

You do realise that people here needed to make an entire blog to solidify and make sure Cell was solar system level

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

how come then Fusion Reborn is considered canon?

GT gg

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

If you wanna argue Universal Toei Cell make another thread for it

This thread is meant to scale characters like Cell

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

You do realise that people here needed to make an entire blog to solidify and make sure Cell was solar system level

This is the anime, not the manga

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

So?

Similar threat levels mean that they would be of similar power

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Similar thread levels mean that they would be of similar power

Not even close. It's something vague as hell.*

Also, still wouldn't make Broly movie canon, so there's nothing to even scale.

Edit: *In fact, to elaborate further: Broly is considered the strongest foe ever by the director of his movie. Cell wouldn't scale at all anyways.

 

[thetechmaster36]

No.

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

Are we saying that Raditz is not canon because he wasn't referred about after he was defeated?

Raditz appeared in the anime. Broly didn't

 

[Aachintya31]

Are we saying that Raditz is not canon because he wasn't referred about after he was defeated?

Unique events from alternate timelines needs to mentioned for timelines be considered canon alternate timelines.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Are we saying that Raditz is not canon because he wasn't referred about after he was defeated?

Bruh

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I deleted my comment

 

[LordTracer]

Yeah, no. Broly destroyed an entire quadrant of the universe, Buu just destroyed a single galaxy.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I might be willing to accept that until further notice, although didn't Fat Buu take hits from a casual SSJ3 Goku?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I might be willing to accept that until further notice, although didn't Fat Buu take hits from a casual SSJ3 Goku?

We consider Goku and Vegeta received boosts post-fusion, so the 2-C feats don't scale to Fat Buu.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

SSJ3 Goku though was High 3-A

Edit: And Goku did compare Janemba to Fat Buu

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

SSJ3 Goku though was High 3-A

Haven't made that thread yet.

So, since this topic is already done, can I close this?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I think they're talking about how Fusion Reborn Goku is already rated as High 3-A

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I think they're talking about how Fusion Reborn Goku is already rated as High 3-A

Ah, then yeah, that can be applied to Buu.

@LordTracer you agree with Buu scaling to High 3-A based on Fusion Reborn Goku's feat?

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

Ah, then yeah, that can be applied to Buu.

@LordTracer you agree with Buu scaling to High 3-A based on Fusion Reborn Goku's feat?

Should Toei Buu even scale considering Goku was kinda toying with him?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Should Toei Buu even scale considering Goku was kinda toying with him?

I mean, kinda similar circumstances with the manga, but with some slight extra scenes showing Buu indeed keeping up. He would downscale, basically. At least I can see it.

 

[SeiyaRyuSeiKen]

I mean, kinda similar circumstances with the manga, but with some slight extra scenes showing Buu indeed keeping up. He would downscale, basically. At least I can see it.

Then that needs a separate thread entirely.