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The High 3-A (or 4-A) upgrade for Toei DBZ
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From what I can gather.
-The galaxy busting feat we previously attributed to kid buu actually belongs to fat buu as this is the version supreme kai would be referring to at the time of the flashback because kid buu didn’t come into the picture until much later in the arc.
-Fat buu should be 4-A as result.
scaling is still a clusterfuck to be honest.
From what I gather
Majin Vegeta 4-B, 4-A w Final Explosion
(Pre RoSAT) Base Gotenks 4-B, 4-A with SS1
(Post RoSAT) Base Gotenks 4-A, higher with SS1, 3-C with SS3 ( comparable to Fusion Reborn Goku)
Super Buu 3-C
Ultimate Gohan 3-C
Buutenks 3-C
SS3 Goku ( pre Vegito ) 3-C
Buuhan 2-C
-The galaxy busting feat we previously attributed to kid buu actually belongs to fat buu as this is the version supreme kai would be referring to at the time of the flashback because kid buu didn’t come into the picture until much later in the arc.
-Fat buu should be 4-A as result.
scaling is still a clusterfuck to be honest.
From what I gather
Majin Vegeta 4-B, 4-A w Final Explosion
(Pre RoSAT) Base Gotenks 4-B, 4-A with SS1
(Post RoSAT) Base Gotenks 4-A, higher with SS1, 3-C with SS3 ( comparable to Fusion Reborn Goku)
Super Buu 3-C
Ultimate Gohan 3-C
Buutenks 3-C
SS3 Goku ( pre Vegito ) 3-C
Buuhan 2-C
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Well for a start, High 3-A is completely off the table following the infinite universe downgrade.
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I think it was agreed that Fat Buu should scale off of Janemba from FB by Lephy and the other staff and a lot of this still isn’t accurate
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Could i get a link to this thread?
The_Yellow_Topaz
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Feat is also severely out of context!
Did you know
the movie actually considers that Instant Transmission simply transports the user to an alternate dimension?
Also, IT has a period of tangible time between popping in and out of reality! So no infinite speed required for that!!!
Did you know
the movie actually considers that Instant Transmission simply transports the user to an alternate dimension?
Also, IT has a period of tangible time between popping in and out of reality! So no infinite speed required for that!!!
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Could I get the scans for that?
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Hmm... It doesn't exactly mention anything here about an alternate dimension, the term "space" could also refer to the space between different destinations
The_Yellow_Topaz
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No infinite speed for Coola
Ped2018
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You're new, but it's already time to get rid of you...
No infinite speed for Coola
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I wasn't even arguing for infinite speed anyway
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And this “space” is undefined. We don’t know what it is or how it works. So for now we can’t say it’s infinite speed. The usage of the technique is useless and contradictory if they already scale to infinite speed or higher
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Someone should fix Fat Buu’s section and upgrade him from 4-B to whatever tier FB ssj3 goku is and close this crt since that’s all that was accepted
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I really even arguing for infinite speed, they were traveling through space, I was arguing for immesaurable speed since as both the scan and name imply they are not moving through linear time, hence the definition of immeasurable speed:
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Honestly shut up about infinite speed.
It’s off topic.
And fat buu scaling to FR Goku doesn’t make much sense, even fat janemba is ‘the strongest ki Goku has ever felt’ and his SS3 pretty much stomped that version of janemba.
Fat Buu should be 4-A off the flashback feat which was incorrectly attributed to kid Buu originally.
It’s off topic.
And fat buu scaling to FR Goku doesn’t make much sense, even fat janemba is ‘the strongest ki Goku has ever felt’ and his SS3 pretty much stomped that version of janemba.
Fat Buu should be 4-A off the flashback feat which was incorrectly attributed to kid Buu originally.
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That’s even worse. We don’t know what this space is or how it operates. The problem with it’s speed and the usage of the technique still applies, and not only is this combat speed but they are shown running and flying, which honestly contradicts all of their travel speeds.
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I agree with this. This version of Goku is after the Buu saga, has undefined boosts from Fusion bs, random power creeps, etc. Fat Buu should only scale to his own feat of destroying a galaxy over time, which is 4-b or 4-a
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Doesn’t FB take place before Super Buu?
Also we’d have to get Lephy’s and lord tracers opinion since that’s already 2 staff agrees for scaling to FB
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It’s quite impossible for it to have taken place during the same timeframe.
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I’m saying that didn’t FB take place before Super Buu and when Vegeta died?
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I don’t understand, are you referring to the time the movie was created? If so, idk, but if you’re talking about the time span in series, no.
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I’m basically saying roughly FB takes place during the time where Vegeta died and Goku already fought Fat Buu once atp and he didn’t get any power boosts so Fat Buu can still scale to Goku FB since he didn’t get any power boosts going into that movie and I’m also saying it was already accepted in this crt by 2 staff but I don’t mind discussing it still
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i have no idea
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Then why did you say this? I was confused when I saw this because Goku hadn’t fought anyone else after fighting Buu until he fought Janemba
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I said Idk because I have no idea what you’re trying to portray. We don’t know when or how the events lead up to FR.
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What? I’m trying to say that after facing Fat Buu the events shown in the anime occur Vegetas final explosion etc and then FB occurs and Goku faces Janemba and this happens before Super Buu so there’s no reason Buu wouldn’t be able to scale
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That doesn’t change how Fat Buu compares to Fat Janemba and SS3 Goku.
Goku gauges janemba as having the strongest ki he has ever felt, and since chronologically the events of FR take place after Fat Buu that means Fat Janemba is stronger than him, and SS3 Goku practically stomped Fat Janemba
So basically the scaling looks like this
SS3 Goku (3-C+)>>Fat Janemba> Fat Buu
And we know for a fact Goku held back against Fat Buu, so he has no reason to scale to 3-C+ directly.
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Oh ok makes sense
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Why are you saying this happened after Vegeta dies? If it follows up with the anime then it’s not possible.
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That’s what the daizenshuu literally says iirc
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Why’s Gohan fighting Frieza instead of training on the WOK?
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Then it can’t be happening during the same time period…
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