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Plus Super Buu was a foe that Goku and Vegeta (Post-Vegito) thought they could not individually take on.
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Movie 12 Gogeta and Janemba scaling in regards to Buuhan's tier 2 feat
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Don’t use “should be“ justifications without giving a reason for them.
This doesn’t even need to be a “should be” justification, that’s blatantly saying Janemba > Hirudegarn.
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If Janemba it's called the strongest, then that's pretty straightforward. So yeah, seems simple to me.
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Well... I made this, with a lot of these arguments + Tier 2 feats for both Janemba and Gogeta.
What we do, we close this thread and go to mine?
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**** it, it was closed, so OP, add this stuff.
Janemba
So, we know that Janemba has completely distorted the Afterlife, and I believe that it is a Low 2-C for the following reasons:
Not to mention that base Janemba is said to have the strongest ki Goku has ever felt, with him saying that only Majin Buu has pushed him that far. I dunno if that applies to Kid Buu though, so that's up to y'all. Besides he should be Low 2-C at absolute minimum.
Gogeta
Gogeta has quite the feat here.
He is stated that his birth is so strong that it is comparable to the Big Bang itself.
While from its own is pretty vague, I think that "Big Bang" here reffers to the 2-C macrocosm, as his power covered the Otherworld and could be felt also on the living universe.
Plus, he is said to be the strongest fusion of all, which means that he'd be superior to Super Vegito, who could be argued being on the levels of at least Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku (Yeah, fusions in DBZ are broken asf)
Thus making his "Big Bang" explosion 2-C even more supported.
Janemba
So, we know that Janemba has completely distorted the Afterlife, and I believe that it is a Low 2-C for the following reasons:
- When he was born, the afterlife was instantly warped, including Hell, with said power implied to be generated with the evil ki that Janemba was made from.
- Janemba and his warp are directly linked to each other, as shown that insults affect both his warp and his physical body, and when he died, the warp he has generated came away in less than 30 minutes.
- Janemba is also shown to being able to manipulate said afterlife.
Not to mention that base Janemba is said to have the strongest ki Goku has ever felt, with him saying that only Majin Buu has pushed him that far. I dunno if that applies to Kid Buu though, so that's up to y'all. Besides he should be Low 2-C at absolute minimum.
Gogeta
Gogeta has quite the feat here.
He is stated that his birth is so strong that it is comparable to the Big Bang itself.
While from its own is pretty vague, I think that "Big Bang" here reffers to the 2-C macrocosm, as his power covered the Otherworld and could be felt also on the living universe.
Plus, he is said to be the strongest fusion of all, which means that he'd be superior to Super Vegito, who could be argued being on the levels of at least Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku (Yeah, fusions in DBZ are broken asf)
Thus making his "Big Bang" explosion 2-C even more supported.
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The only problem is, while Janemba warped the afterlife, there's no indication he affected the whole space-time aspect of it. This was discussed and concluded as such in this thread. The extent of his warping only support High 3-A. (We don't consider hell a separate space-time to the whole of the afterlife).
The rest I have no opinion.
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Link my comment to the OP and you're good.
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If I see another time "brazillian translation" I dunno wtf I'll do lol.
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Honestly, this is the first time I see you helping to update DB's verse, this is something new to me, I think your argument makes a lot of sense.
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The Janemba Tier 2 feat can be supported from this which I found in the other CRT.
This can be used as supportive evidence for him being Tier 2, as "the world is part of him", meaning that the whole afterlife was affected (aka Low 2-C and not just 3-A).
This can be used as supportive evidence for him being Tier 2, as "the world is part of him", meaning that the whole afterlife was affected (aka Low 2-C and not just 3-A).
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Besides, what do y'all think about Super Gogeta > Super Vegito > SSJ4 Baby Arc Goku?
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I think another possible supporting feat is that Gogeta's Ki covered the entire 2-C scope of the macrocosm since it's shown to reach as far as Earth
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I already linked it dude.I think another possible supporting feat is that Gogeta's Ki covered the entire 2-C scope of the macrocosm since it's shown to reach as far as Earth
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Oh yeah
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In-context, that part is talking about when Janemba opened portals to attack Goku.
But I suppose the movie doesn't really contradict that notion iirc (
So as support should be fine.
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Guys, can we all talk about this? I think it's being overlooked lol.
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I think we should consider it, as hell in an isolated space that is only accessible through Ema or falling out of the serpent's path that creates a type of portal with hands to catch Goku, shown this in DBK
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Would have to be discussed in another thread. Do you want another cosmology thread so soon?
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I'm iffy, Gogeta scaling to Vegito is definitely true. BUT isn't Super Baby Vegeta stated to be the strongest ki Goku has felt at that moment? That would automatically make fusions somewhere between both Base and Super Baby Vegeta.
So yeah, fusions are either in-between Base and Super Baby Vegeta or SSJ4 tier. Depends on what you prefer to take.
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In fact this guide states that hell has become an extension of his body and all souls together, we see in the film that he is affected by curses and can move the entire structure, as well as the turn of the Picco true there who cursed and was damaging the Ema's palace.
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No, no time! I have college and work, I have so many things in my life that I don't even have time to eat, but at another time I'll do that.
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That is a bit weird, because this means that Goku cannot feel his own ki, so that means more a ki he felt from someone else.
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Learn portuguese
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Do you have anything against?
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Exactly. Using portugese localization is as arbitrary as using "hey let's use the french because reason".
I cannot care less that you're hurt because your home language is not used here, but here we use only the literal jp translation.
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I will bring a new era to this wiki soon to be accessible for all different languages :c
On the contrary, I'm laughing lol
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Enough derailment.
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Whatever this comes from, its contradicted by the in universe statements that the Potara produces a stronger fusion (which themselves are highly corroborated by other sources, such as the Daizenshuu)
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No? Because it was not at the same time as Vegito here.
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Fusion Reborn Gogeta is born from the same Goku and Vegeta as Vegito, though the Potara produces a stronger warrior. Not much time passes in between that movie and them returning from Other World
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I think Tier 2 Janemba is fine and by extension it easily scales to Super Gogeta, but not sure how I feel about other things brought up.
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You mean Gogeta?
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Enough time passed for Gogeta to be stronger then lol.
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Dude, that movie takes places before Goku and Vegeta return from Other World. Vegito is born chronologically after. If anything, the advantage of time passing goes to him. The hell are you on about?
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Viewing that quote as "Potara fusion's multiplier is >= to the SSJ4 multiplier" is more consistent with the scaling
Buuhan was holding his own pretty well with Base Vegito, which would put SSJ Vegito at around x50 Buuhan and Meta-Rilldo (Who's weaker than infant Baby) is already x50 Kid Buu (The stronger Buu)
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