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You did not just say that about the c word DDM
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I think this is true and kind of the headline here, and I think the content of these messages can make the discussion very touchy, because it's easy to for the conversation to transpose back and forth between "were these messages acceptable" vs. "to what extent should discord degen humor be used for bans on-site?" when I think it's clear that no one is arguing that the messages were okay or that they wouldn't be banned if said here.
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This is an incredibly poor excuse. He has a plethora of totally disgusting comments, and you’re excusing it as “oh! Just fun and memes!”
This isn’t something to joke about in the first place
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I'll just respond to this now since you're in favor of the permaban, the screenshot shows he did say the n word with the hard r directly to them
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You will be banning half of the whole website if you took everyone's discord comments seriously.
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If half of our users’ comments looked like this? Then I’m all for that. Your arguments really aren’t a good look for yourself or Chase
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What if I get you a list of people that have used the n word and n word with hard r on discord? Will all of them be bannable?
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I'm curious to see if the reported user has anything at all to say on his defense.
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If you refuse to stop someone saying the hard-r, say they want to **** c*nnies (for context, they refer to small girls in this instance, so there is no “it just means woman”), over and over, that’s tolerance. Does this wiki not pride itself on so called reliable statistics, and having a respectable community within the rules? What kind of reputation do you set when you let someone with these ideas and comments on the wiki freely roaming?
Edit: Imgur is updated. This absolutely does not refer to “woman” in any context, he makes his preference ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.
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Hell yeah
If you’re implying it’s fine for people to use the n word commonly, again, not a great look for yourself
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This is damning evidence, yep
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I’m 100% in favor of a permaban here, I don’t know why this discussion is even being entertained.
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To be clear, it's not about allowing it here (this is a VSBW staff discussion thread, not a global morality police thread), it's about determining whether or not we should be concerning ourselves with off-site behavior that has nothing to do with VSBW in the first place, and that isn't connected to on-site problematic behavior.
I think it's pretty clear that he is not implying that it any way, rather, pointing out that this policy -- if applied site-wide -- would result in a lot of bans for users that are otherwise perfectly well behaved here due to objectionable humor on discord, which is a pretty common thing. I agree, I always found it gross and offputting as well, but a discussion does need to be had about clarifying off-site rules regardless.
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Guys, we don't need the RVR to be getting spammed for the Umpteenth time in a row. Also, some people initially took what I said out of context and while I admit I spoke too soon, I have posted another comment sharing my thoughts and later said some of the other reasons should have been collected in the initial report. @Chasekilleen also should be pinged to be notified about his report and the higher up staff should decide from here.
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Just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s right
The excuse that “oh on discord people use racial slurs all the time, so it’s fine” is so silly
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I'm in favor of a ban for the user that has been reported, but having a dark sense of humor off-site alone isn't grounds for punishment. What the user has done is a lot worse than that, but "jokes" aren't bannable. Or at least they shouldn't be, off-site.
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Maybe you are responding to the wrong comment, but I did not say or imply in any way that I thought it was okay, and I'd appreciate if you would focus on what I am saying.
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Anyway, as for my take on this situation.
I will be completely honest and say that I am a proponent of comedy being pushed as far as it possibly can be. Dark humor, hell pitch black comedy is by and large alright by me. But there has to be a method to the madness that tells you the person isn't this way a hundred percent of the time.
It's just like the act like being an asshole ironically: fine if you do it 15% of the time or something akin to that, but if it's all the goddamn time then that starts telling me a bit about yourself.
Similarly, if this person is talking about **** on a consistent basis, that uh has some unfortunate implications about their character.
I will be completely honest and say that I am a proponent of comedy being pushed as far as it possibly can be. Dark humor, hell pitch black comedy is by and large alright by me. But there has to be a method to the madness that tells you the person isn't this way a hundred percent of the time.
It's just like the act like being an asshole ironically: fine if you do it 15% of the time or something akin to that, but if it's all the goddamn time then that starts telling me a bit about yourself.
Similarly, if this person is talking about **** on a consistent basis, that uh has some unfortunate implications about their character.
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I did read your comment, and that was my follow up. I was letting you know I understood the implications and voiced my thoughts on it
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Okay, then let me be very clear that you did not understand the implications, because I was not implying that I thought it was okay. So I hope moving forward we are clear that nothing I said meant that at all.
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I disagree. When that humor is "lol **** and racism funny," a line seriously needs to be drawn
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Banning people for dark humour is insanely asinine. I'm with Crab when I say dark or objectionable humour in and of itself isn't some metric of a person's morality or character whatsoever and pearl clutching gets us nowhere.
That said, if all a person talks about or posts is such content or comments then it starts becoming very, very objectionable. All I'll add to this.
That said, if all a person talks about or posts is such content or comments then it starts becoming very, very objectionable. All I'll add to this.
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I don't disagree, but to Clover's point:
This is true, a line does need to be drawn, but we have to be clear and precise about what that line is. It's clear that our rules for how people conduct themselves here, and how people conduct themselves off-site, are very different things. If our approach is that a certain level of degeneracy off-site constitutes a perma-ban here, then we should have a discussion about where that line should be.
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Again. When we have knowledge of them acting like this, do we really want them on our site if we would ban them for doing the same stuff here? It’s like if I said “hey guys, you can’t be here if you’re racist. Oh but if you’re racist when we’re not looking, it’s fine”
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Yeah but I am also aware they don't mean it seriously.
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Well, not just a user, an admin. Do you believe Crabwhale should be demoted and/or perma-banned for using the n-word with a hard r off-site? Again, since this misunderstanding seems to crop up frequently: This is not a discussion about whether or not it's okay to do this, it's about whether or not it should be punishable on-site for off-site behavior. Certainly if he made those comments here, it'd be a huge problem.
It's not a matter of wanting them on the site, per se, but a matter of whether or not we should have an approach of policing off-site behavior in general, and where exactly that line is drawn. Most sites tend to have a "off-site isn't our problem" approach unless it's directly connected to something site related.
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That's all well and good, because I genuinely do believe that there's a certain line to be drawn when it comes to offsite degeneracy, and that we actually need to establish what that line is
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“Oh yeah, I said the n word with the hard r. But I didn’t mean it seriously!”
Uh huh
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Stop this. Very unproductive and a needless “whataboutism” onto the topic. This is more than just ‘saying the hard r’ and more so to do with a consistent basis of very problematic behavior. I’m also fairly certain that Quantum is ******* black my friend.
Are you really about to tell a black man he can’t say the hard r off site?
Are you really about to tell a black man he can’t say the hard r off site?
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Well the difference is that degeneracy related to "cunnies" or "**** correction" are long running memes in weeb communities (literally join any anime/manga/VN related server and search these terms up). They are the weeb equivalent of dark humour like using the n word jokingly.
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I mean, look, if you're saying that we should have a site policy that anyone that uses a racial slur off-site should be perma banned here, certainly we can have a discussion about whether or not that should be the case, but it's important that this conversation doesn't get transposed into the entirely separate conversation of whether or not it's moral/okay to do so.
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That isn’t dark humour, that’s straight up offensive and predatory
I can’t believe people are actually defending predatory behaviour
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Crab is white, he has sent pictures of himself in that server before.
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You know if you're gonna get someone demoted, you could've just done that to Human Resources.
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There's an awful lot of non-staff users still posting about this...
Can people stop and let and let the staff discuss it?
Can people stop and let and let the staff discuss it?
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Yes, because the rules of the site are just that, for the site, you should not be policing offsite behavior using the same rules as the site, it's illogical. If you'd ban someone for behaving a certain way on site then ban them for behaving that way on site, if they're off site, the same standards as on site don't apply
For instance you get banned for posting pornography on the site, if you post it on discord, should you be banned then? To uphold the same on site standards as you're proposing?
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